Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

And maxx, I don't sub thf because like other melees, its just not worth doing SATACA once per 1/2 minutes instead of just going for DPS with barrage, rip and disservement spam. I really fail to understand why people sub thf when in TP burns the mob is erratic in hate to the point where your SATACA will not hit properly anyway. With auto refresh, refresh and evoker's roll or ballad I can spam said 3 spells along with WSes (self SCs) and do so much damage its sick.

Its like DRKs subbing thf in merit PTs when they could do much more damage on /nin or even /war (note I do not sub war because my spam gets me alot of hate making me blink tank alot).

Well, I didn't know DA could work on magic. I know Attack doesn't enhance spells, so Zerk is out of the question as a significant enhancement (I sure as hell can't see much of our damage coming from meleeing when we could be spell spamming and only need TP once every 2 mins.) And we have enough tools to survive to make /NIN unnecessary (stuns are amazing for survival, and magic fruit, digest, etc can fix the extra damage taken.) And I usually have enough of an understanding of hate in a party to be able to get the 2 seconds of hate on one person needed for a SA+Blue magic spell within 10 seconds of the timer being up.

Its not really like DRKs subbing THF in merit parties, DRKs damage is 99% (1% drain lol) from melee attacks. Plus, BLU is much more survivable than DRK. Phys Blue Magic damage is SIMILAR to melee, but different in many important respects.

[Genosync]

Phys Blue Magic damage is SIMILAR to melee, but different in many important respects.

It's like a WS without TP, that rips things faces off for almost no mp

carry on

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Phys Blue Magic damage is SIMILAR to melee, but different in many important respects.

It's like a WS without TP, that rips things faces off for almost no mp

carry on

And is unaffected by attack

[shihei]

i claim page 51 in the name of Ong-Bak
edit: i failed....

[Razz]

Phys Blue Magic damage is SIMILAR to melee, but different in many important respects.

It's like a WS without TP, that rips things faces off for almost no mp

carry on

And is unaffected by attack

I'm sorry but if you have cocoon set at 50+ then you need to take some time off and learn some useful spells for exp.

Let me explain it one more time, spamming disservement, rip and barrage with nin sub is MORE EFFECTIVE than waiting on a 1 or 2 minute JA timer.

A WAR will sub nin so he can spam rampage instead of doing SATA steel cyclone once every minute. A BLU will sub nin so he can spam disservement, rip and barrage instead of doing SATACA once every 2 minutes.

So what we have ladies and gentlemen, is the BLU/NIN spamming said 3 multi hit spells (which do 400-700dmg) and TANKING a mob while he also swings both his swords with his haste gear and brutal earring for added DPS, the difference is clear.

In caedarva mire, as blu/nin, I was getting ridiculously high chains by spamming spells like disservement, doing 600+ dmg with them, killing the mobs faster than my melee buddies could build 100TP on. The mob dies faster than a SATA going off, its just stupid to sub it in exp when you're killing so fast.

And by the way maxx, unlike you, I don't have to resort to stunning and lolcocoon to keep my ass alive when I pull hate, because I'm consistently pulling it and then doing even more damage when I have it, because god gave us Utsusemi.

[bulk]

i subbed thf when we had a standard pt setup so i could SATA the ninja, it jsut happened to have sick dmg as well. once we started going to caederva and bhroflwaffle thickets we kinda stopped as a full static and did tp burn setup with 75s frmo our LS and i used /nin there all the time. especially vs imps if your blu has plenty of echos it can save chains frequently when you get amesia'd with mob at like 15% hp and blu can just kill it with a disseverment and frenetic rip.

[liefe]

How good is Yawn? I haven't read anything about it yet and I've not been impressed with any of Blue Mage's sleep spells in the slightest. If it's better than the rest I'll make the effort to drag him up to Zhayolm and learn it from the bastards from hell.

He can solo it on the boat pretty easily too. Got it 1/1. But anyhow, it blows imo simply because it's a gaze attack.


On /NIN and /THF, I've used both in exp. Pre Disseverment and multi-hit spam, SATA death scissors was pretty insane. I just got Spinal Cleave today and it even seems stronger (despite the "increases ACC with TP", it seems to raise damage still) but haven't tried it with SATA or anything.
I think /NIN or /WAR might be better for a merit PT though.

I have double attacked a few WS with Brutal, but it feels like it only happens during CA. Anyone experience anything differently? I wonder if it checks double attack and what not only during CA?

[Genosync]

I have double attacked a few WS with Brutal, but it feels like it only happens during CA. Anyone experience anything differently? I wonder if it checks double attack and what not only during CA?

Randomness, game wouldn't calculate anything like this.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

I'm sorry but if you have cocoon set at 50+ then you need to take some time off and learn some useful spells for exp.

Let me explain it one more time, spamming disservement, rip and barrage with nin sub is MORE EFFECTIVE than waiting on a 1 or 2 minute JA timer.

A WAR will sub nin so he can spam rampage instead of doing SATA steel cyclone once every minute. A BLU will sub nin so he can spam disservement, rip and barrage instead of doing SATACA once every 2 minutes.

So what we have ladies and gentlemen, is the BLU/NIN spamming said 3 multi hit spells (which do 400-700dmg) and TANKING a mob while he also swings both his swords with his haste gear and brutal earring for added DPS, the difference is clear.

In caedarva mire, as blu/nin, I was getting ridiculously high chains by spamming spells like disservement, doing 600+ dmg with them, killing the mobs faster than my melee buddies could build 100TP on. The mob dies faster than a SATA going off, its just stupid to sub it in exp when you're killing so fast.

And by the way maxx, unlike you, I don't have to resort to stunning and lolcocoon to keep my ass alive when I pull hate, because I'm consistently pulling it and then doing even more damage when I have it, because god gave us Utsusemi.

I never mentioned cocoon, and I keep it set because its so cheap (1 whole set point.) I can spare 1 set point. You also have to recast Utsu and use a subjob that adds very little extra damage. Head Butt takes less time to cast than utsu ni, and does damage to boot. Its had a significant damage boost as I've leveled. Plus even if we do take damage, unlike other melees, we can heal ourselves quite well. You have no need of utsu.

This is all currently a discussion, the job hasn't been around long enough to have a surefire best way to play it. I'm just explaining that I think NIN is a waste when you can get more significant bonuses from, say, even WHM even.

And one specific thing:

A WAR will sub nin so he can spam rampage instead of doing SATA steel cyclone once every minute. A BLU will sub nin so he can spam disservement, rip and barrage instead of doing SATACA once every 2 minutes.

Ummmmm /NIN actually helps WAR with Dual Wield and the amazing weapons they can dual wield. Utususemi is not the only reason by any means, unlike BLU who has very little to gain from a 2nd weapon. Plus Steel Cyclone blows chunks before 150 (assuming Martial Bhuj).

[Not Kuno]

I have a few questions about mid level blue mage. It's easy to see from this thread what spells are good at 75 but what spells did you guys have set at like 40 or higher?

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

I have a few questions about mid level blue mage. It's easy to see from this thread what spells are good at 75 but what spells did you guys have set at like 40 or higher?

Depends what you're doing, what sub you're using, etc. Bludgeon still shines for quite a while. Healing Breeze is nice if the party needs a smidge better healing (it gets good.) If I'm subbing THF I go for the strongest 1 or 2 hit spell I have as well, depending on mob type etc. Soporific is my best sleep vs non-dark resistant, so I keep that on. I keep Poison Breath since I already have Sop and Clear Mind is nice. Sprout Smack is good if I need to slow stuff, even though I don't like using the 2 set points it can be useful. Head Butt of course. MP drainkiss on guys its useful on. Uppercut is nice for its stat bonuses if I've already gotten what I need.

[Not Kuno]

Way to state the obvious and not answer my question.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Way to state the obvious and not answer my question.

Yeah I realized it too late. Edited for helpfulness

[Celeras]

Phys Blue Magic damage is SIMILAR to melee, but different in many important respects.

It's like a WS without TP, that rips things faces off for almost no mp

carry on

And is unaffected by attack

I'm sorry but if you have cocoon set at 50+ then you need to take some time off and learn some useful spells for exp.

Let me explain it one more time, spamming disservement, rip and barrage with nin sub is MORE EFFECTIVE than waiting on a 1 or 2 minute JA timer.

A WAR will sub nin so he can spam rampage instead of doing SATA steel cyclone once every minute. A BLU will sub nin so he can spam disservement, rip and barrage instead of doing SATACA once every 2 minutes.

So what we have ladies and gentlemen, is the BLU/NIN spamming said 3 multi hit spells (which do 400-700dmg) and TANKING a mob while he also swings both his swords with his haste gear and brutal earring for added DPS, the difference is clear.

In caedarva mire, as blu/nin, I was getting ridiculously high chains by spamming spells like disservement, doing 600+ dmg with them, killing the mobs faster than my melee buddies could build 100TP on. The mob dies faster than a SATA going off, its just stupid to sub it in exp when you're killing so fast.

And by the way maxx, unlike you, I don't have to resort to stunning and lolcocoon to keep my ass alive when I pull hate, because I'm consistently pulling it and then doing even more damage when I have it, because god gave us Utsusemi.

Yeah great, dont use /thf in 70+ parties. That doesnt mean its not useful everywhere else.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Yeah great, dont use /thf in 70+ parties. That doesnt mean its not useful everywhere else.

He's trying to give advice to all 8 of the 75 BLUs

[Genosync]

you can do more damage, safer overall for your whole PT and the ability to pull hate off your tank, with /nin

trufax #2

[NynJa]

At lvl 40, I'm xping in Behemoth's Dominion, on Lost Souls and Demonic Weapons, subbing whm (blindna + paralyna).

My spell set:
Bomb Toss
Digest
Wild Oats
Head Butt
Bludgeon
Smite of Rage
Jet Stream
Uppercut
Blastbomb

Gives me STR+6 DEX+5 and some other stats, as well as Clear Mind I and Undead Killer.



at 41 I'll get more room for spells :D

[Razz]

Phys Blue Magic damage is SIMILAR to melee, but different in many important respects.

It's like a WS without TP, that rips things faces off for almost no mp

carry on

And is unaffected by attack

I'm sorry but if you have cocoon set at 50+ then you need to take some time off and learn some useful spells for exp.

Let me explain it one more time, spamming disservement, rip and barrage with nin sub is MORE EFFECTIVE than waiting on a 1 or 2 minute JA timer.

A WAR will sub nin so he can spam rampage instead of doing SATA steel cyclone once every minute. A BLU will sub nin so he can spam disservement, rip and barrage instead of doing SATACA once every 2 minutes.

So what we have ladies and gentlemen, is the BLU/NIN spamming said 3 multi hit spells (which do 400-700dmg) and TANKING a mob while he also swings both his swords with his haste gear and brutal earring for added DPS, the difference is clear.

In caedarva mire, as blu/nin, I was getting ridiculously high chains by spamming spells like disservement, doing 600+ dmg with them, killing the mobs faster than my melee buddies could build 100TP on. The mob dies faster than a SATA going off, its just stupid to sub it in exp when you're killing so fast.

And by the way maxx, unlike you, I don't have to resort to stunning and lolcocoon to keep my ass alive when I pull hate, because I'm consistently pulling it and then doing even more damage when I have it, because god gave us Utsusemi.

Yeah great, dont use /thf in 70+ parties. That doesnt mean its not useful everywhere else.

Please tell me where I was not talking about anything but exp PTs. WAY TO NOT KNOW WHATS GOING ON

[Sinto]

At 56 i use:

Bludgeon (str+1)
Pinecone Bomb (str+1)
Uppercut (str+2 dex+1)
Mandibular Bite (Int+1)
Sickle Slash (Hp-5 Mp+15)
Bomb Toss (str +2)
Self Destruct (str+2)
*Healing breeze (chr+2 Hp+10)
*Headbutt (Dex+2)
*Cocoon (Vit+3)
Refueling (Ag+2)
*Cursed Sphere (mnd+1)
*Sound blast
*Poison Breath (mnd+1)

35/35

Mainly do Mandibular Bite and Sickle Slash, At 54-55 Uppercut was owning Crabs, now they VT so anything does good dmg.
Also toss a poison breath for 130+ dmg.

* Spells i change depending on exp place or mob fighting etc, Usually only switch for Radiant breath, Jet stream, or Mp Drainkiss.


Exp in clobris is great, and they very weak.

[Genosync]

At 56 i use:

Bludgeon (str+1)
Pinecone Bomb (str+1)
Uppercut (str+2 dex+1)
Mandibular Bite (Int+1)
Sickle Slash (Hp-5 Mp+15)
Bomb Toss (str +2)
Self Destruct (str+2)
*Healing breeze (chr+2 Hp+10)
*Headbutt (Dex+2)
*Cocoon (Vit+3)
Refueling (Ag+2)
*Cursed Sphere (mnd+1)
*Sound blast
*Poison Breath (mnd+1)

35/35

Mainly do Mandibular Bite and Sickle Slash, At 54-55 Uppercut was owning Crabs, now they VT so anything does good dmg.
Also toss a poison breath for 130+ dmg.

* Spells i change depending on exp place or mob fighting etc, Usually only switch for Radiant breath, Jet stream, or Mp Drainkiss.


Exp in clobris is great, and they very weak.

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