Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Draylo]

What should I aim for for a TPing body on BLU? Right now I'm using Mirage, but I can't shake the feeling that there is a better option in Abyssea considering how much refresh I already have.

When I'm dicking around and/or lowmanning stuff, I roll with MM VV Apoc, but when I'm seriously going for damage, I tend to prefer RR over Apoc.

When I'm dicking around and/or lowmanning stuff, I roll with MM VV Apoc, but when I'm seriously going for damage, I tend to prefer RR over Apoc.

Honestly I am really addicted to Apoc. I know the proc rate on quick-magic is about 10%ish and it seems to proc really often just eyeballing it. When it does proc its extremely nice for dmg. I have had dissverment proc twice in a row lol and MP upkeep is a non-existant issue even with 0 refresh outside of MM and w/e I have in gear (normally +1 body, +1 from spell set). The auto-reraise is very very nice as well. MM RR Apoc is normally my setup now with Almace.

[Nightfyre]

STR sword is going to be as good/better looking at the results from Motenten's spreadsheet, especially with Apoc. If you're pDIF capped via Stalwart's you'd see some benefit from DA though. MM RR Apoc is definitely a hot DD setup for Almace BLU.

[Villian]

What's your average number with the WS inside and outside of abyssea?

[Draylo]

Haven't done much outside of Abyssea recently except some mobs in Xarca(s), demons and ampiteres. Averaged 1k~2.5k with ws and no buffs. In abyssea consistent 2k~5k.

[Odin'sLaw]

Haven't done much outside of Abyssea recently except some mobs in Xarca(s), demons and ampiteres. Averaged 1k~2.5k with ws and no buffs. In abyssea consistent 2k~5k.

you really need to buff your dex more a guy i do Seal NMs and some vision empthy item farming with has the WoE for his rdm and is constantly hitting 3.5k+

[Andradi]

Constantly hitting 3.5k? I did a party on tahrongi bats shortly after obtaining Badelaire +1 on RDM, RR/VV/A&O averaged 2.8k, constantly hitting 3.5k on NMs sounds like bullshit cherrypicking to me unless he's being buffed up the wazoo.

[Atoreis]

you really need to buff your dex more a guy i do Seal NMs and some vision empthy item farming with has the WoE for his rdm and is constantly hitting 3.5k+

Its one of two possibilities:
1. He use RR+GH+DD for capped/close-to-capped crit rate and his getting high avg w/o spikes (no TA, low DA)
2. You eyeballing and he is hitting 3,5k constantly like I constantly hit 4k :hi on NMs... beside those 20% that I miss-hit/non-crit/something-else which when happen dmg drops below 2,5-3k. When you eyeballing you only see those 4k or those spikes over 6k when those 500-2k are pushed out from your memory

[Yugl]

I don't think he would underestimate his WS damage by 700 points even if he were not parsing.

[Sho]

I'd say give BLU/THF a go with Almace-- Zorro -> SATA BT for Darkness. Could VV/GH/RR to maximize damage since with Almace you get to learn more into sword dmg than spells. At least that's what I want to do when I'm complete with mine.

[Odin'sLaw]

Constantly hitting 3.5k? I did a party on tahrongi bats shortly after obtaining Badelaire +1 on RDM, RR/VV/A&O averaged 2.8k, constantly hitting 3.5k on NMs sounds like bullshit cherrypicking to me unless he's being buffed up the wazoo.

about 75% of the time i was seeing near or over 3.5k (by near i'm talking 3.457 or 3.485) i saw a few spike to 5.3ish

when he logs in later i'll ask him what he was using i'd presume RR VV not sure about 3rd

[Yugl]

I'd say give BLU/THF a go with Almace-- Zorro -> SATA BT for Darkness. Could VV/GH/RR to maximize damage since with Almace you get to learn more into sword dmg than spells. At least that's what I want to do when I'm complete with mine.

Wouldn't you hold hate or kill the mob if you use the WS?

[Draylo]

I don't think I could swing /thf... I take hate so easily on most NMs that it would only work once lol, unless theres hate reset involved. I'm also usually tanking as well, we normally don't have more than one DD/tank on it until we proc things.

[Roundelk]

I don't think I could swing /thf... I take hate so easily on most NMs that it would only work once lol, unless theres hate reset involved. I'm also usually tanking as well, we normally don't have more than one DD/tank on it until we proc things.

Pretty much this, on normal mobs you either 1 shot them or come close to it where a swing would then finish the job, I also did Dragua the other day and I don't know how other Empy weapons do on that mob but I was still getting alot of 2.5k numbers on it and I didn't have my DA sword done yet and I also need to fix my set up abit.

[centerion]

From my experience you need to set RR, GH, and insert random atma here, to be able to consistently do good dmg with chant. Without GH it's just far too inconsistent. I normally set Apoc as a third atma. I am interested in trying Atma of the Omnipotent but, as I don't have that yet, I'm not sure how well it will work. I average atleast 3.2k with RR and GH set in every zone I've parsed in.

[Atoreis]

From my experience you need to set RR, GH, and insert random atma here, to be able to consistently do good dmg with chant. Without GH it's just far too inconsistent. I normally set Apoc as a third atma. I am interested in trying Atma of the Omnipotent but, as I don't have that yet, I'm not sure how well it will work. I average atleast 3.2k with RR and GH set in every zone I've parsed in.

Yeah but with RR+GH+apoc you have like 5tic/refresh and blu w/o mp is melee-1.

[centerion]

I'm normally low manning (mnk whm blu) in which case I can't use spells like quad very often because monster tp gain becomes an issue. For what I do with blu that seems to be the best set up.

[Yugl]

Yeah but with RR+GH+apoc you have like 5tic/refresh and blu w/o mp is melee-1.

For certain NMs, you don't want to rely on spell damage because of the recast and the fact that you might need to stun at random moments (i.e. it's unfavorable to be in the middle of a spell at any given time). In these instances, the listed atmas are favorable. This mainly applies to NMs.

[macross]

I usually just use RR MM VV, avg around 2500 with 100 tp. With more tp (higher crit rate) it goes up to about 3500 vs VT mobs. People do tend to over exaggerate their dmg you are correct.

I know my dmg is pretty shitty in the new zones since everything is IT since we kill in a full ally. But I only load 2x melee atmas so less crit rate. If you're killing like bats and worms in the first expansion where stuff is EP or DC con of course you gonna report a higher avg. I hit for 3-4k too when we first get there, but after they repop IT those 3-4k numbers go bye bye. If you're just lowmanning with 3 then they won't repop that strong.

Most dmg I've done with my badelare +2 is around 4600, it's prob the worse of my 4 coin weaps. Actually tachi fudo prob worst off, though can be decent with apoc. But mostly cause blue doesn't get nifty ws gears with lots of dex. Pld would be best probably to get big numbers. Rdm is even worse off, doubt they are avging 3.5k lol unless full-timing potions and using full dex and melee atma with red curry, with /war fighting ep con mobs.

Anyhow I'm there to proc grellow, not melee stuff;; blu/rdm sadly hehe.

[centerion]

With 85 almace and the atmas I listed I average 3.2~3.5 on VT+ mobs. If you haven't tried GH please do, it helps so much on monster tp gain alone, the crit rate is just a bonus. Trade it for VV I assure you your weaponskill average will go up. Aswell as your overall damage due to higher crit rate.

[Atoreis]

For certain NMs, you don't want to rely on spell damage because of the recast and the fact that you might need to stun at random moments (i.e. it's unfavorable to be in the middle of a spell at any given time). In these instances, the listed atmas are favorable. This mainly applies to NMs.

Imo RR+GH+MM is much safer bet. Its still good dps/ws and allow you to use spells like Reaving Wind, Winds of Promyvion, Occultation, B typhoon, Diamondhide maybe and help cure if you duo tanking something with a lot aoe dmg with just one whm. If you need to stun spells then its very easy to time buffs/debuffs between mob's casts. If you need to stun TP move you can cast buffs/debuffs after mob TP move. If you gonna use BLU on mob that not require stun for some heavy nuke/tpmove and just use melee dmg then why use BLU at all? Unless BLU is your only job. Maybe my point of view is a little broken cuz I have Kannagi and Veret and soon Almace and I would only go fight BLU if debuffs/buffs, stun that BLU job has to offer will give me advance in the fight. Otherwise I would use MNK or NIN. NIN/dnc can probably stun a lot (if we talking about not life dependent stuns) and still be much better in melee damage so w/o spells I listed above BLU for me is just NIN or MNK -1.