Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Atoreis]

If you have an Almace, you adjust your play style accordingly- less spell spam, more swinging.

Someone would need to make a math but I think only spells(w/o CA) that wont lower your overall damage while TPing with Almace/DA are QC,Diss,Goblin and that's assuming mobs has low def and you have no marches.

On something like Orthrus it's not even competition, spells do so low damage that swords damage is way way ahead, not to mention other things like TP feed.

[Kaslo]

Oh and btw on the subject of the DA sword: With Trait/Brutal/VV it feels like a joytoy sometimes. Except it hits like a truck comparably.

[Atoreis]

Oh and btw on the subject of the DA sword: With Trait/Brutal/VV it feels like a joytoy sometimes. Except it hits like a truck comparably.

You have Almace?
If yes then why VV? Should be apoc GH RR

[Kaslo]

You have Almace?
If yes then why VV? Should be apoc GH RR

The regain for procing Red duh.

But really, we are usually low manning stuff with our WHM dual boxing on a tank, so I go with my more "all around" BLU setup of VV/RR/MM so I can both DD, back up heal with MM, and have TP easily for KI farming to proc.

I switch it up more when we have actual people there.

[Yugl]

You have Almace?
If yes then why VV? Should be apoc GH RR

That sounds like a hasty conclusion. Remember that you increase WS frequency (Which means more WS DMG) with VV due to Regain (Which becomes better the more hits you need to reach 100) and DA (Minor, but nice bonus). You also gain ATT and STR for spells. The benefit of GH is 20% Crit rate on 50% Crit rate (Meaning it's value diminishes) and in your case, Benthic Typhoon damage increase (I'm actually considering setting that, but it means eliminating DA [Hell no], Fast Cast, or MAB+Some spell).

Also, I'm not sure if I want to do this, but I've been thinking about making a mega-blu spellcast (May or may not do). What to include (And how if it's a rule since some people would place staffs in the spell set while others wouldn't so you can cast while meleeing)? How to handle spells (STR, STR+DEX, INT, and so forth or By spell name)?

[Atoreis]

That sounds like a hasty conclusion. Remember that you increase WS frequency (Which means more WS DMG) with VV due to Regain (Which becomes better the more hits you need to reach 100) and DA (Minor, but nice bonus). You also gain ATT and STR for spells. The benefit of GH is 20% Crit rate on 50% Crit rate (Meaning it's value diminishes) and in your case, Benthic Typhoon damage increase (I'm actually considering setting that, but it means eliminating DA [Hell no], Fast Cast, or MAB+Some spell).

Also, I'm not sure if I want to do this, but I've been thinking about making a mega-blu spellcast (May or may not do). What to include (And how if it's a rule since some people would place staffs in the spell set while others wouldn't so you can cast while meleeing)? How to handle spells (STR, STR+DEX, INT, and so forth or By spell name)?

If GH is better for overall damage then VV on Veret MNK which gets WSC from it on top of regain then I have no idea how it wont be best for Almace.

[Yugl]

If GH is better for overall damage then VV on Veret MNK which gets WSC from it on top of regain then I have no idea how it wont be best for Almace.

Ask CS that since I don't deal with MNK stuff, but I know MNK hits much harder than BLU, won't stop to cast spells, and has higher DA prior to VV (Recalling Motenten's earlier calculation on VS).

[Atoreis]

Ask CS that since I don't deal with MNK stuff, but I know MNK hits much harder than BLU, won't stop to cast spells, and has higher DA prior to VV (Recalling Motenten's earlier calculation on VS).

Veret MNk has 21%DA 18%TA before VV. BLU should sub DA sword and have 31%DA 18%TA before VV. I still think STR from VV gives more for Vsmite then it gives for spells on BLU with Almace and AGI gives nothing damage wise for MNK and it add damage on BT for BLU and GH is still better on Veret.

[Yugl]

Veret MNk has 21%DA 18%TA before VV. BLU should sub DA sword and have 31%DA 18%TA before VV. I still think STR from VV gives more for Vsmite then it gives for spells on BLU with Almace and AGI gives nothing damage wise for MNK and it add damage on BT for BLU and GH is still better on Veret.

You're right about the DA; I assumed it was less without looking it over, but those small pieces add up (And fuck you people with DA Sword). The thing about STR and spells is that you can spam spells more than you will WS on VS and those are not affected by critical hit rate. Also, counter is a huge factor in using GH.

[Nightfyre]

iirc VV actually beats GH by a small margin for Vere before considering counters.

Also, I'm not sure if I want to do this, but I've been thinking about making a mega-blu spellcast (May or may not do). What to include (And how if it's a rule since some people would place staffs in the spell set while others wouldn't so you can cast while meleeing)? How to handle spells (STR, STR+DEX, INT, and so forth or By spell name)?

I started working on such an xml a while back but never finished. I used a toggle for whether or not to use staves for debuffs/nukes (leaving it off and manually swapping in staves is an option if you're selectively using staves but take care not to interrupt midcast swaps), and I created spell sets based on mods and then used conditional statements to swap into the appropriate set based on spell choice and buffs.

[Atoreis]

You're right about the DA; I assumed it was less without looking it over, but those small pieces add up (And fuck you people with DA Sword). The thing about STR and spells is that you can spam spells more than you will WS on VS and those are not affected by critical hit rate. Also, counter is a huge factor in using GH.

You are right about counter but I still think on any NM with no shitty def spells are just super weak compered to swords. I did my DA sword in like 1 day with AoE cleaving in abyssea.

[Yugl]

iirc VV actually beats GH by a small margin for Vere before considering counters.


I started working on such an xml a while back but never finished. I used a toggle for whether or not to use staves for debuffs/nukes (leaving it off and manually swapping in staves is an option if you're selectively using staves but take care not to interrupt midcast swaps), and I created spell sets based on mods and then used conditional statements to swap into the appropriate set based on spell choice and buffs.

Can you give me an example of what you mean? Do you mean <If BuffActive="blahblah" Spell="Blahblah">?

You are right about counter but I still think on any NM with no shitty def spells are just super weak compered to swords. I did my DA sword in like 1 day with AoE cleaving in abyssea.

Time is the issue for me. Rarely much free time (And the little I have I use to check here). Also, the Dhalmel doesn't pop for like 3-7hrs for me.

[Draylo]

DA sword really that much better than a +2 str one? Even considering spell use with QC/Delta/Gob rush at the least.

[Atoreis]

DA sword really that much better than a +2 str one? Even considering spell use with QC/Delta/Gob rush at the least.

+2 STR is a little low man, I heard you can get +9

[Draylo]

[Dooom]

Just so we're clear, are we talking about the Double Attack sword, or the OAtwice/thrice/four times ones?

[Clash Perez]

Double Attack.

It would be nice if there were an option to roll back trials to a previous version. I've got the OA4x sword, but I'll be dammed if I restart the trials without knowing what the lv.99 versions will be. I could probably be convinced to kill thousands of mobs one more time, but if the best option changes a few more times before the final version, I'd pull my hair out.

Edit: the reason it's double attack and not the other option is because the double attack bonus affects the main hand as well, where the OAX versions skew the melee toward the off-hand and add more delay, which results in fewer hits with the Almace, albeit with a slightly improved WS frequency.

[ronin sparthos]

God they need to allow rollbacks on trials, I have a freaking worthless OAT weapon sitting around. I really don't care to repeat trials for the DA path ._.

[Kyte]

DA sword really that much better than a +2 str one? Even considering spell use with QC/Delta/Gob rush at the least.

I would also be interested in this. I still have an Antea sitting at the branch point from a long time ago.

[Alistaire]

With Almace BLU, would you consider meritting DEX? Assume I'm mainly on BLU or other mage/support jobs and don't really care about the repercussions for other melee jobs. Also I get more merit points than I know what to do with and have remeritted things based on "the whims of the day" a couple times. Of course that'll change for a bit with the upcoming boosts to merit points but overall if it's better the extra remeritting isn't a concern. So 8 STR vs 8 DEX for Almace BLU main?