Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Atoreis]

Actually I remember it. It was I think when I started playing 5 years ago when Poland had about one 75 war, one 75 mnk, one 75 drk and war was the one complaining the most, but I forgot about what XD

[Darkmagi]

What would be the best group 1 merits for blu? I'm thinking chain affinity/burst affinity 5/5, but not sure!

[Draylo]

Burst affinity merits are a waste and useless. Don't listen to Yugl. Merits CA recast and Macc or phy potency, wherever you find yourself in uncapped acc situation or using certain spells with higher resists vs certain mobs (flash on mobs that have a higher resist rate or sleep etc.)

[Nightfyre]

CA is really the only merit I'd recommend to everyone right now out of the G1 choices. Everything else depends on what you're using your BLU for. Over the years I've bounced between combinations of CA recast, PP, and macc and will likely continue to change them up periodically, especially given how easy it is to pick up 15 merits now.

[Yugl]

Don't listen to me even though, when pressed, Dralyo doesn't support his position.

[Draylo]

Should I go take a video of when I did tonberries last week, only pulling the non casting ones, and never NEVER had a problem waiting on burst affinity? I think you are full of shit. They are useless merits.

[Yugl]

I still don't see you proving your point. Nothing but aggressive rhetoric. Note that to advocate one you have to prove it is better than, not equal to, the other merits. Part of that includes defending your case, not just denouncing the other.

[Draylo]

That was to say they are useless. I've already said in the last argument countless times where those merits in into play (as have others in that thread). There are situations where you are uncapped acc (most likely if wielding a different weapon) and there are situations where the extra macc can be useful. Sleeping or flashing resistant mobs, 1k needles, etc.

[Clash Perez]

Let's not have another two pages of arguments over which of the admittedly nearly-useless merit choices is slightly less horrible.

[Yugl]

That was to say they are useless. I've already said in the last argument countless times where those merits in into play (as have others in that thread). There are situations where you are uncapped acc (most likely if wielding a different weapon) and there are situations where the extra macc can be useful. Sleeping or flashing resistant mobs, 1k needles, etc.

You made claims in the last thread and never backed them up by providing concrete examples and proofs of when they apply. End of argument.

[Draylo]

You made claims in the last thread and never backed them up by providing concrete examples and proofs of when they apply. End of argument.

I did have examples, maybe you chose to ignore them?

[Yugl]

You made claims in the last thread and never backed them up by providing concrete examples and proofs of when they apply. End of argument.

^ Even if you refuse to accept it/lie about it.

[Draylo]

Again, I did have examples. Who is the liar here? Maybe I should go post the video of me doing tonberries for 4h+ and never once waiting on burst affinity timer, getting them as soon as they popped.

[Nightfyre]

Yugl is right. You've provided one example of when BA merits aren't useful, but there are other situations where you would use BA and you've completely ignored those, thus failing to demonstrate that they're inferior to alternative options.

In before more of the same

[Yugl]

Ok so which of those examples weren't refuted and still hold true?

Edit: I'll stop this I guess; with time to play I can test things rather than waste time on this.

[Draylo]

Yugl is right. You've provided one example of when BA merits aren't useful, but there are other situations where you would use BA and you've completely ignored those, thus failing to demonstrate that they're inferior to alternative options.

In before more of the same

They are never useful, not once will you need to wait on BA timer on any decent sized pull. I wasn't even checking chests, someone else was. He used tonberries as an example of when BA merits were best and it's complete BS. What other situations are there?

Missed this gem also:

"You made claims in the last thread and never backed them up by providing concrete examples and proofs of when they apply. End of argument. "

lol.. where was your proof? It was simply "I did Tonberries for 12 hours straight and BA wasn't up in Yuglland" "maybe you are just too slow?"

[Nightfyre]

Procing grellow, nuking, and debuffing all come to mind.

Actually, I'm not sure you've got an open-and-shut argument on cleaving either. Splitting the camp into two smaller pulls is potentially advantageous, especially if you're working on your own or making EXP a priority. You'd be using BA more frequently in this case.

EDIT: Working on your own meaning no puller or outside healer. If you have to key your own chests, obviously that slows you down.

[Draylo]

I was countering his example, he said he pulled ALL the tonberries and BA recast helped him. Which is complete bullshit because I was there 4hrs+ doing the same exact thing and BA was ALWAYS up, even if no 2hr chest.

Procing grellow? You honestly think 20 extra seconds is gonna help on something? The only spell I could see having any trouble landing in over 2m is 1k needles, convergence/ascetics would help more than an extra 20 seconds on burst affinity, also macc would be more beneficial.

Actually, I'm not sure you've got an open-and-shut argument on cleaving either. Splitting the camp into two smaller pulls is potentially advantageous, especially if you're working on your own or making EXP a priority.

If you are making exp a priority you can still kill up to 8 or so at a time. Pulling 8 and killing still leaves BA up for next pull considering there is only that many, maybe 12 of them.

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EDIT: Working on your own meaning no puller or outside healer. If you have to key your own chests, obviously that slows you down.

Working on your own you are still eating up more time self healing and self buffing, this isn't even accounting for 2hr chests. BA will still be up, you can still kill 8 (if focusing on exp) solo...

[Yugl]

I did all that, but I wasn't solo. In fact, I got someone their Refresh hairpin in the process. I didn't buff because the person would Phalanx me the moment I finished my nuke. In other words, it was back-to-back mobs. Continue to prove that your AF helm is hiding that fact that you have no brain though. I would occasionally have a MNK to get mobs for me too (He had to afk at some points though). I also had a group fighting Bakka that would sometimes get mobs as well.

[Draylo]

Same situation for me, I had someone healing and a leech opening chests so I didn't bother to buff at all. I also had a group coming through picking two tonberries off while hunting lieje. Stop bullshitting, do I really need to go take a video? You are telling me very small chances of a large group coming in and taking all your mobs warrents the merits? You are telling me I need to provide proof as to why PP or MAcc merits are better than burst affinity but really YOU are the one that needs to provide proof. Any BLU I ever come across NEVER has that shit merited, for good reason. Please provide proof to us Yugl as to why those merits are so superior. I also dunno why people are so afraid of discussing this because someone is asking a legit question, which BLU merits are most useful? And here we have this tard Yugl spouting his opinion for BA merits as law and they are the best over macc or PP.