Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Yugl]

Next page and still no concrete examples. We get it Draylo, you don't have anything but angry posts.

[Draylo]

Why do I need to provide concrete examples when you aren't? The only one advocating burst affinity merits is YOU. Everyone else suggested PP or MA depending on situation you most find yourself in. I already gave examples in last thread, but here are them again. If you are tping in a club to proc red or blue and need to head butt stun something (Bukhis comes to mind with doom ray, severly damaging AOE if low man and not main tank, IE whm not focusing on you, etc) you are most likely not capped acc in those situations. When AOEing frogs in mis while camping Heqet at same time, they can resist flash or sleep, macc can come in use. When you are trying to land 1k needles, macc can come into use (this applies to almost any non-complete resistant NM, as far as examples go). Do I need to list more? Where are your examples? You stated tonberry as one and I called bullshit because I tested it myself. You then go as far as to say it was useful because someone was taking your mobs... lol. You need the proof here.

Edit: Also cases for PP, times when mobs, such as Bennu, use the evasion ws. Certain mobs such as flame skimmer and the THF tonberry.

[Draylo]

What makes you think I'm angry? Just discussing

[Yugl]

Why do I need to provide concrete examples when you aren't? The only one advocating burst affinity merits is YOU. Everyone else suggested PP or MA depending on situation you most find yourself in. I already gave examples in last thread, but here are them again. If you are tping in a club to proc red or blue and need to head butt stun something (Bukhis comes to mind with doom ray, severly damaging AOE if low man and not main tank, IE whm not focusing on you, etc) you are most likely not capped acc in those situations. When AOEing frogs in mis while camping Heqet at same time, they can resist flash or sleep, macc can come in use. When you are trying to land 1k needles, macc can come into use (this applies to almost any non-complete resistant NM, as far as examples go). Do I need to list more? Where are your examples? You stated tonberry as one and I called bullshit because I tested it myself. You then go as far as to say it was useful because someone was taking your mobs... lol. You need the proof here.

Edit: Also cases for PP, times when mobs, such as Bennu, use the evasion ws. Certain mobs such as flame skimmer and the THF tonberry.

It's not BS because it has happened to me. It's not a mechanic issue either, it's a scenario issue, which is why I demanded proof on your part. Nightfyre also provided examples that you just brushed aside. Furthermore, you posted these examples AFTER I finished our conversation last time. You can't seriously suggest you mentioned these examples when you only brought them up after 2 pages and the conversation ended.

Now that you have brought examples to the table, we can begin to have a conversation rather than you babbling.
1. Club accuracy against Buhkis. This is an iffy one because I don't recall Buhkis's evasion, so you might be correct. However, I caution hastily concluding that because ACC is usually either hit or miss in that you're either well capped for NMs or using food to make up for horrendous ACC. This is what I mean by proof. You can parse ACC, but you cannot parse the effect of BA merits since it's a situational (odd) case.

2. I never had issues with frogs in the time I AoEd them, so am I warranted to call you BSing on this one? In addition to that, I question the supposed 100% magic ACC cap seeing as how mobs outside of Windy have resisted me. If they're resisting me and there is a 100% magic acc cap, I'll admit that magic ACC merits serve utility regardless. Until then, that case is the same as eyeballing in my book.

3. I already stated that 1k needles will benefit from Magic ACC in the last thread, but also said that we're guaranteed to be eliminating them from the !! proc in the last conversation. You retaliated by saying PP and Magic ACC might become relevant, but I responded by saying you're placing a chance at relevance over a guarantee of relevance.

BA also applies to Bombs and most odd cleaving situations. Conveniently, you forgot to mention those cases too.

[Draylo]

Please provide proof of these odd cleaving situations. I wanna see a video of you cleaving bombs (why bombs?) and I wanna see you making COMPLETE use of those extra 20 seconds to warrent those merits. The burden of proof lies in you because, as far as I know, you are the only person to ever merit lolBA merits.

[Yugl]

The burden of proof isn't solely on me because you're not just saying "Don't merit BA", you're saying "Merit X over BA."

[Draylo]

You are saying that as well. You said, for someone asking best merits, to merit BA over x. Why? Where is your proof then? Yes, I am saying BA are worthless compared to other small boosts (they are small). You will find yourself in more situations where uncapped acc or in need of macc more than you will find yourself in these "odd cleaving" situations, in which you have not provided proof for. I already said specific examples, ones that are easily proven. Bennu doing his evasion ws, and mobs with that ws as well, certain evasive mobs such as the tonberry THF NM and the fly, certain situations you need to use club etc. These are easily proven, you won't be capped acc and if you are using sushi just because a mob does an evasion move that can be dispelled you are stupid.

[Mercilessturtle]

Why is this happening again? It is not complicated. If you live in a magical world where you will ever gain any benefit from BA merits, go for it. If you don't, do macc.

[Yugl]

Why is this happening again? It is not complicated. If you live in a magical world where you will ever gain any benefit from BA merits, go for it. If you don't, do macc.

Because Draylo likes to bring up old arguments.

[Draylo]

Someone is asking for advice on BLU merits, it's not nice to give bad information.

[Yugl]

He himself brought up the idea of CA/BA and you said "Don't listen to Yugl"'; thus, instigating the argument.

[Draylo]

I assumed that is where he got the idea from, you. That is what you told Karbuncle when he asked in random thread.

[Atoreis]

Sorry Yugl but BA merits are only good if you want to make epeen SS of Everyone's grudge with set bonus proc but maybe even not because you are limited to 10min convergence timer

BA merits for cleaving are useless, even more for average player who 2-3 shot mobs instead of 1-2 shot ( ie: whirl -> dream -> BA charged -> dream -> thermal instead of whirl -> ba charged ) because of lacking best equip. I have never pulled mobs fast enough to not have BA up in a moment I need it. Even if you one shot you need to buff yourself then pull then sleep them and unless you pull 4-5 mobs it is just impossible.
Furthermore even if you for example doesn't pull yourself but have a puller and you only killing ( tho really mob respawns after 30+ sec so you would need to pull 2 families to gather them before BA is up) it's not really that hard to use one more spell to kill them then w/o BA. It's not like you will have another group of mobs waiting for you if you kill them 10 sec longer.

As for physical merits. I don't really know why you even need proofs? If you using an Almace you want to use att food not lol acc and in this case on mobs like dragua, Orthurs etc. where I was near acc cap when swinging I definitely wasn't on blue magic and I cast in af3+2 head and i have 5/5 physical potency.

1000 needles is not really good argument since in 5 days it wont exist anymore.

[Dooom]

Jesus fucking Christ. Merits are hard? Why the hell are we arguing and acting like your merits are forever set in stone? When I cleave on blu, I do it in a decent sized group, pulling from multiple mob families in Tahronghi. With unmerited BA, my recast isn't up for about half the pulls; so before I go do this, I put some merits in BA, 'cos I can always change them later. Maybe if all your AoEing is done solo and you get all the boxes, good for you, you don't need BA merits. Other people find themselves in situations where they do.

Likewise, I can find myself going to something where I know I won't be AoEing, but I can't be confident my m.acc is capped. Bye-bye BA merits, hello m.acc ones. Just from general play I'm constantly at capped merits unless I cancel and change what I have, so swapping them around is no problem. There is no "best" overall combo because blu is such a versatile job that what might be best for situation X doesn't work for Y. Just change them as needed and get a god-damn ice pack if that hurts your feelings.

What makes you think I'm angry? Just discussing

idk, random FULL CAPS WORDS, dismissing Yugl before he even posted here, an over-riding sense of butt-hurt?

Quit crying and change your merits as the situation demands.

[Draylo]

Full caps words were for emphasis because Yugl doesn't like to read. Don't be a retard, Burst affinity merits are terrible and you are terrible if you use them. It's like Yugl said, this is BG. The best would be what someone wanted when asking the question "what do I merit?" and BA merits don't ever fit in there.

With unmerited BA, my recast isn't up for about half the pulls; so before I go do this, I put some merits in BA, 'cos I can always change them later.

Extremely unlikely, and as Atoreis said, you can just kill them with one more aoe, not like you will be hurting on MP or losing much time since they need to repop. Try harder to look cool though, it's clearly working.

[Dooom]

Jesus christ lol, extremely unlikely? It fucking happens. If you want to deny that then fine, keep your head up your ass and ignore everything that doesn't fit into your idea of reality.

[Draylo]

Leave Jesus Christ out of this ok?

[Atoreis]

Jesus fucking Christ. Merits are hard? Why the hell are we arguing and acting like your merits are forever set in stone? When I cleave on blu, I do it in a decent sized group, pulling from multiple mob families in Tahronghi. With unmerited BA, my recast isn't up for about half the pulls; so before I go do this, I put some merits in BA, 'cos I can always change them later. Maybe if all your AoEing is done solo and you get all the boxes, good for you, you don't need BA merits. Other people find themselves in situations where they do.

Likewise, I can find myself going to something where I know I won't be AoEing, but I can't be confident my m.acc is capped. Bye-bye BA merits, hello m.acc ones. Just from general play I'm constantly at capped merits unless I cancel and change what I have, so swapping them around is no problem. There is no "best" overall combo because blu is such a versatile job that what might be best for situation X doesn't work for Y. Just change them as needed and get a god-damn ice pack if that hurts your feelings.



idk, random FULL CAPS WORDS, dismissing Yugl before he even posted here, an over-riding sense of butt-hurt?

Quit crying and change your merits as the situation demands.

This starting to go all about who likes who. I posted legit arguments not because I like Draylo more then Yugl but because Draylo is right. It was suppose to be answer for average blue what to merit and average BLU wont have enough merits to switch them constantly I bet.

As for the bolded part if you have BA up for half the pulls w/o merits you will have the same with 5/5 ( yes I know it was a blind shot but honestly I feel like whole your post was a blind shot )

I never open boxes myself and never found myself w/o BA up. Mobs respawn after 30 sec so you will need to pull them in 1 min and 20 sec so unless you are not fleehacking it wont happen.

Also idk why you even brought this as an argument? If you have few pullers pulling several families BA isn't require to kill them lol. It only saves like 10 sec that takes to cast additional spell to finish them.

[Dooom]

It was suppose to be answer for average blue what to merit and average BLU wont have enough merits to switch them constantly I bet.

If the average blu isn't able to chop and change merits like i can, then honestly I think the best advice is "see what situations you find yourself using blu in and merit according to that". Different options are optimal under different conditions.

As for the bolded part if you have BA up for half the pulls w/o merits you will have the same with 5/5 ( yes I know it was a blind shot but honestly I feel like whole your post was a blind shot )

I know it won't make me have BA up for every pull or whatever, but it means I'll have it up for more pulls, which is an improvement - unless one wants to argue I'm making things up which never happen, which is just childish.

Also idk why you even brought this as an argument? If you have few pullers pulling several families BA isn't require to kill them lol. It only saves like 10 sec that takes to cast additional spell to finish them.

I never said it was required. Merits in themselves aren't required at all, but hey, we all wanna do our best, right? If it saves me 10s every couple of minutes over the course of several hours, then it all adds up. We all (should) know that whatever merit combo we pick is a small improvement, but as others have said, isn't that what BG is about? I just wanna get across that shit is situational (herp derp, captain obvious!) and Yugl and Draylo tearing into each other like this is silly, and I thought providing more examples might help stop that. Oh well!

And I'm not really sure what you brought up fleehacking for, seems neither here nor there.

[Atoreis]

I never said it was required. Merits in themselves aren't required at all, but hey, we all wanna do our best, right? If it saves me 10s every couple of minutes over the course of several hours, then it all adds up.

Not really. If you are not a puller then killing 10 sec faster will only saves you time if you have like 5 pullers and you have mobs waiting while you killing first ones. Situation like that wont happen for several reasons if you really like to know all of them ask for them in next post because now I think they are obvious.