Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Dooom]

Having mobs waiting does sometimes happen to me, actually XD Normally 3-4 pullers, depending who shows up (KI farming, to provide some context, rather than the solo pin/ring farming normally cited in BA situations). But as stated earlier, I can change my merits as needed, and nothing else is really gonna help me AoE kill wussy mobs in Tahronghi, so criticizing my choice of BA merits is silly as there's every chance I'll cancel 'em next time I'm on blu.

[Yugl]

Sorry Yugl but BA merits are only good if you want to make epeen SS of Everyone's grudge with set bonus proc but maybe even not because you are limited to 10min convergence timer

BA merits for cleaving are useless, even more for average player who 2-3 shot mobs instead of 1-2 shot ( ie: whirl -> dream -> BA charged -> dream -> thermal instead of whirl -> ba charged ) because of lacking best equip. I have never pulled mobs fast enough to not have BA up in a moment I need it. Even if you one shot you need to buff yourself then pull then sleep them and unless you pull 4-5 mobs it is just impossible.
Furthermore even if you for example doesn't pull yourself but have a puller and you only killing ( tho really mob respawns after 30+ sec so you would need to pull 2 families to gather them before BA is up) it's not really that hard to use one more spell to kill them then w/o BA. It's not like you will have another group of mobs waiting for you if you kill them 10 sec longer.

As for physical merits. I don't really know why you even need proofs? If you using an Almace you want to use att food not lol acc and in this case on mobs like dragua, Orthurs etc. where I was near acc cap when swinging I definitely wasn't on blue magic and I cast in af3+2 head and i have 5/5 physical potency.

1000 needles is not really good argument since in 5 days it wont exist anymore.

Atoreis, your argument doesn't make sense from a logical stand point. Consider what you've said for each side in this post:

BA Merits: Not good because...
1. BA merits are useless (Opinion)
2. You cannot use them for SS worthy damage (I don't care about damage as opposed to efficiency/speed)
3. It is impossible to use the reduced timers (SS to prove that false in a second when I sort them out)
4. Even if you don't use BA, you can kill the next pack of mobs slower. (Performance detriment)

Why do I need proof? Because I don't believe in the whole "Well, it looked like my Spell ACC was upcapped even though I didn't bother to verify." Are there times where it is obviously uncapped? Yes. However, I found in those situations, my ACC was shit in general. This is me without an Almace, so I actually have less ACC than you do (Thus, it *should* be more noticeable).

If you want to know the *real* reason this debate has continued forever, it is because Draylo insists on attacking a point rather than proving his own. I know BA merits are minimal improvement at because, but because I cannot find a situation where I would need PP or Magic ACC (And I had this merits earlier). That is why I wanted *concrete* examples. If you're willing to show me a slew of cases where it will improve your damage, I'm willing to grant that they are best, but if you or Draylo going to dance around the situation, use post-facto arguments, and not give me anything, it's not a productive conversation.

Edit: Proof PMed (Zip File). If you want it too, just ask.

[Kaslo]

Ugh... Why did I look at this thread...

[Spoony Bob]

Any info on what BLU spells give the most potent debuffs (slow/para/blind/whatever I'm forgetting)?

I thought I remember reading ages ago that mind blast was actually a decent para as well, but I've been away from the game for so long, I've got no clue if something's better now.

[Yugl]

No formal testing, but I'm almost positive Mind Blast is still the superior paralyze.

[Foldypaws]

Any info on what BLU spells give the most potent debuffs (slow/para/blind/whatever I'm forgetting)?

I thought I remember reading ages ago that mind blast was actually a decent para as well, but I've been away from the game for so long, I've got no clue if something's better now.

Filimented Hold is still the best Slow.

Para is a bitch to test, haven't done so.

Auroral Drape is the best Blind. (discounting Actinic Burst)

[ikariiiii]

in my experience, sub-zero smash is your best bet for para actually going off, and works nicely since its conal

[Odin'sLaw]

i've always noticed Mind blast = hard para never seen it resist on anything that couldn't be paralyzed

[Sylvrdragon]

Would it be possible/practical to BLU Cleave stuff outside of Abyssea such as Dynamis or Limbus? Anyone have any CW numbers from outside? I'm wondering if stuff like BRD etudes and COR rolls and whatnot could be stacked sufficiently to get numbers approaching Abyssea numbers.

[Atoreis]

Outside abyssea you will probabyl have better results with Whirl of rage.

[Tashan]

Would it be possible/practical to BLU Cleave stuff outside of Abyssea such as Dynamis or Limbus? Anyone have any CW numbers from outside? I'm wondering if stuff like BRD etudes and COR rolls and whatnot could be stacked sufficiently to get numbers approaching Abyssea numbers.

I complete Magian Trials doing so. Instead of Whisker its Whirl Of Rage, Battle Dance, Frypan, Blood Saber and Body Slam if desired.

[Sho]

Ugh... Why did I look at this thread...

Same reason why I lurk the thread with rare posts anymore.

[jimbobsonofgod]

there anything coming this update for blu that's not inventory -1?

[Foldypaws]

there anything coming this update for blu that's not inventory -1?

MAB +4 ring.

[Nightfyre]

there anything coming this update for blu that's not inventory -1?

Not really. If the Cuauhtli/Mextli set bonus works with just head/body then Cuauhtli head +1/Mextli body is probably the best TP setup if you don't want refresh +2. MAB+4 ring as mentioned though I haven't checked how it performs vs other rings. Small changes to niche sets like subtle blow, hMP, -interrupt, lolbreaths. Rancor Collar could be a decent TP neck depending on what the Tonberry's Grudge effect is and its procrate. I'd say augments might hold some potential but we're only on Crimson gear anyway, probably won't see much out of that system.

[Sho]

Highly doubt anything on Crimson will be a game breaking augment for BLU. We'll scoop the pot with the next major update for sure however.

[Kyte]

It appears the only change to Efflux may have been the animation. It now has a unique one (not just a CA rehash).

[Draylo]

It appears the only change to Efflux may have been the animation. It now has a unique one (not just a CA rehash).

Oh wow wtf o.o

[Sho]

Shoutouts to SE for not nerfing Efflux.

[fantasticdan]

Anyone test if the tranquil heart JT works on blu heals?