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[Yugl]

Wouldn't that vary by spell considering some get ATT bonus?

[Draylo]

Btw, Draylo - What's your atma setup for that besides Gnarled Horn?

GH, RR, Apoc.

[Nightfyre]

Wouldn't that vary by spell considering some get ATT bonus?

Meant to mention that I'd have to dig through the thread again but I think Goblin Rush has a straight +100 attack bonus? Could cap on low def EXP mobs with Dia II/III and Benthic Typhoon if so.

[|Heretic|]

Any Charged Whiskers spreadsheets floating around out there?

[Raelia]

GH, RR, Apoc.

What about Roaring Laughter? Same +Counter, decent STR+ versus Crit damage and AGI of GH, though the -Evasion can be scary.

[ClarkSammich]

What about Roaring Laughter? Same +Counter, decent STR+ versus Crit damage and AGI of GH, though the -Evasion can be scary.

I think Roaring Laughter is only ~10% counter. My friend parsed ~700 hits with no other +counter and got 10.8% or something. It may be mislabeled I guess?

[Tashan]

Weaponskills - Elemental Belt vs Anguinuis Belt (Vorpal, Savage, Expiacion mainly)

Which?

[Raelia]

I think Roaring Laughter is only ~10% counter. My friend parsed ~700 hits with no other +counter and got 10.8% or something. It may be mislabeled I guess?

Did he work in his melee accuracy too? I've heard 15%.

[Yugl]

Any Charged Whiskers spreadsheets floating around out there?

I've never made a professional one, but I can make one where you type in values. I don't know how to make lists though like you see in complicated excel sheets.

[ClarkSammich]

Did he work in his melee accuracy too? I've heard 15%.

Yeah, he's MNK main so I doubt he overlooked that part of it. Did the testing on DRK, though.

[Raelia]

Yeah, he's MNK main so I doubt he overlooked that part of it. Did the testing on DRK, though.

None of this has anything to do with whether he did or didn't.

At any rate, GH+RL+Counterstance and 10% on gear hits 80% cap anyway. 10% or 15% is still a huge amount of mob melee damage mitigated when on top of Counterstance.

I wish I could say RL's 'Major' rating mattered against GH's 'Minor', but that never seems to matter. Otherwiki calls it 12%, so if they tested on top of counterstance and didn't factor accuracy: .62/.95 = 65.2, RL being ~15% then.

Parsing is the first step. Parsing and analyzing correctly is the second.

From Atma Effects thread:

Preliminary and very rough tests seem to show roaring laughter to be +10 counter. My normal parsed counter average% with cs+gaiters+merits+ulition+gnarled horn is ~63%, put on roaring laughter and had 73% after ~300 hits (hits+countered hits). If someone wants to do more controlled tests, go for it.

He's at 67% before accuracy, which at 94% acc gives 63% counter rate as parsed. 73% after is then 77.6, so your 10% isn't far off. Gotta love SE's baseless rating systems for atma.

[|Heretic|]

I've never made a professional one, but I can make one where you type in values. I don't know how to make lists though like you see in complicated excel sheets.

Much appreciated /

[doctorugh]

Meant to mention that I'd have to dig through the thread again but I think Goblin Rush has a straight +100 attack bonus? Could cap on low def EXP mobs with Dia II/III and Benthic Typhoon if so.

I varied the Blue attack as much as possible to determine bonus to attack a while back (you cant move it all that much with only STR to work with since moving blueskill messes up Dvalue), but the value is not static. I came up with an attack multiplier of 1.38 for goblin rush, frenetic rip, and vanity dive(prior to level correction so they cant extend over 2cratio). This attack mod didnt seem to fit any exisiting WS to my knowledge, but ran over a 1000 of each during testing so it should be fairly accurate.
Even with a couple STR atmas and all the best +STR gear your blue attack is unlikely to break the low 500s, meaning you wont cap on even the lowest def mobs unless you have a strong dia or defense down (BT).

[Vathris]

Im working on an evasion set for blu and i have some question i wanted to ask, hopefully i can get some feedback on the gear to use too!
this is my current set:

Spoiler: show

http://tinyurl.com/Eva-blu

Notes:
- Antares harness, Supa and triton earring, torero torque, fugacity beret
- Boxers mantle is 5 coins away, and goblin cracker is an evasive bitch on the AH, but i will get those 2 very soon
- totals are: +63 eva, +20skill and +20 AGI, some subtle blow too, also i have evasion with 4 merits.
- Its a STR shamshir, but i will work on eva sword (Maybe... im not sure im keeping this eva build, im really interested in it, but i havent tested it on anything harder than Khalamari without eva atmas)

And these are my questions!
- Whats the difference between +eva skill and +eva? I dont quite understands this.
- Whats better, /nin or /dnc? (I guess it depends largely on what im fighting though...)
- Inside abyssea while low-manning, should i sacrifice a good DD atma like SS or apoc for dark depths or siren shadow?
- In what situations does an evasion set on blu really shine?

Maybe i shouldve posted on the random question thread thread, but blu forum is much more friendly, anyway...

Thanks in advance!

[Yugl]

I haven't worked on an evasion set yet, but it seems like the answers would be the following:
1. I asked this before and received a response (Artemis actually) stating that skill is 0.9 evasion.
2. Sub NIN seems like the logical choice since the point of evasion tanking is to mitigate damage completely or at least until shadows are available
3. If you're using an evasion set, you're likely soloing/tanking; either way, prioritize your survival first
4. See three

I don't have an evasion set, but I looked into one. Without sacrificing haste, I think the following works:

Main|Evasion Sword|X|Goblin Cracker
AF3|Pantokrator Torque(W/e it's called)|Novia|Suppanomimi
AF3|Ocelot|Eponas|Rajas
Boxer's Mantle|Twilight|Ocelot Trousers|Aurore Feet

That gives you nice EVAs without sacrificing much haste (24% for the set). It really depends on the enemy's accuracy tbh, and I haven't seen any conclusive parses showing that ACC of EVA set worthy NMs.

[Atoreis]

- Whats the difference between +eva skill and +eva? I dont quite understands this.

99% sure that 1 eva skill is 0.9 evasion

- Whats better, /nin or /dnc? (I guess it depends largely on what im fighting though...)

/nin if mob hits hard and slow or/and have strong blinkable TP move.
/mnk if mob hits fast.
/dnc if you need to heal a lot of bad status?

- Inside abyssea while low-manning, should i sacrifice a good DD atma like SS or apoc for dark depths or siren shadow?

only if that additional evasion will change lose to win.

- In what situations does an evasion set on blu really shine?

old content, solo or tank NMs in abyssea.

[Draylo]

Anyone have Grapevine cape to see if it works w/battery charge? Says refresh effect so I'm pretty sure it does, but never know.

[Clash Perez]

None of the stoneskin enhancement items work for Diamondhide; I wouldn't get my hopes up.

[Yugl]

Much appreciated /

http://www.mediafire.com/?tifhxlg6sym7qk3

BLU Charged Whiskers Calculator.

[Draylo]

Anyone have Grapevine cape to see if it works w/battery charge? Says refresh effect so I'm pretty sure it does, but never know.

Yeah that's true, don't really play the other jobs on it much at all so if it doesn't work I don't want to waste my time getting it.