Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Byrthnoth]

Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't any form of neck MAcc (like Noetic Torque) be equally good or superior (like Artemis' Medal) to that?

[Neisan]

If Teal Cuffs = Symbiosis Gloves for Macc only then yea, Noetic is equal. Mavi Scarf is more inventory saver since you would also use it for M. Barrier etc.

[huckster]

Also, is the Mavi Scarf worth getting?

Depends whether you hit another D value tier or not. Just omitting the technical bullshit - check this table:

Blue Magic Skill     273  282  291  300  310  319  328  337  346  355  364  373  382  392  401  412
Blue Magic D value    63   65   67   69   71   73   75   77   79   81   83   85   87   89   91   93

if the scarf gives you another D tier - go for it - if not - forget it.

[jimbobsonofgod]

Dear sho:
Sorry it took so long real life and shit. A quicky done on a few robber crabs.

Spoiler: show

73
107
85
104
125 = 25 MP
65 = 6 MP
99
158 = 19 MP
167
59
99
93
94
154
88
69
100
85
102 = 15 MP
65
163 = 32 MP
71
88 = 12MP
80
149
146
87
137
101 = 16 MP
142
23
150
61
59
69
63
60 = 6 MP
151 = 18 MP
105
86
64
146
74 = 13 MP
145
102 = 18 MP
61
84
152
58 = 5 MP
75
88
82
80
158
91
163
128
152
164
99 = 12 MP
79
146 = 22 MP
63
71
147
59 = 11 MP
91
75
89
79
102
60
59
60
64 = 12 MP
88 = 10 MP
59
81
63
76
60
100
85
122
160
86 = 11MP
90
77
68
156
98 = 11MP
77 = 8 MP

20 procs in I think 92 swings(might wanna double check the math on that)
(if you want the time stamped chatlog let me know i'll PM it to you)

[11:38:10] Jimbobsonofgod readies Expiacion.
[11:38:12] Jimbobsonofgod uses Expiacion.
[11:41:10] Jimbobsonofgod's Aftermath: Lv.3 effect wears off.
As expected 3 min duration on AM3, ended up with 267 MP from 0 after AM was done.

[Byrthnoth]

So you drain 10-20% of the damage you do, and it procs about 20% of the time.

[doctorugh]

Depends whether you hit another D value tier or not. Just omitting the technical bullshit - check this table:

Blue Magic Skill     273  282  291  300  310  319  328  337  346  355  364  373  382  392  401  412
Blue Magic D value    63   65   67   69   71   73   75   77   79   81   83   85   87   89   91   93

if the scarf gives you another D tier - go for it - if not - forget it.

This is mostly correct, but D value shouldnt be the only thing you consider.
You need nearly 100 STR higher than the mobs VIT to cap fSTR for higher level blue spells. And if the spell has a STR mod (many do), the Ire torque +1 is better for overall damage (not acc).
Example for QC
Mavi = 4 blue att, +2base (if applicable)
Ire+1= 3.5 blue attack, +1.75fstr +1.904 mod

Its certainly not a bad piece if it moves you up, but not the best.

If the trend continues at lvl95, we will have 407 skill at 95 (w/ merits); in which case the AF3+2legs, AF+1 Body, Mavi tathlum, and scarf will be needed to get you to a 101D value. Under the same conditions at 99, mavi will no longer be needed to break the upper tier of 105.

Of course this precludes new equipment that would have +blue skill and be more useful than other available options for that slot.

[Arkabix]

Does anyone know if "bonus TP" effect from merited Warcry or Moonshade Earring work with Chain Affinity? I did a couple tests that were inconclusive but seem to be leaning towards no.

Also is there any idea if the crit chance on Chant du Cygne from the 25 bonus TP earring is worthwhile?

[Sho]

Dear sho:
Sorry it took so long real life and shit. A quicky done on a few robber crabs.

Spoiler: show

73
107
85
104
125 = 25 MP
65 = 6 MP
99
158 = 19 MP
167
59
99
93
94
154
88
69
100
85
102 = 15 MP
65
163 = 32 MP
71
88 = 12MP
80
149
146
87
137
101 = 16 MP
142
23
150
61
59
69
63
60 = 6 MP
151 = 18 MP
105
86
64
146
74 = 13 MP
145
102 = 18 MP
61
84
152
58 = 5 MP
75
88
82
80
158
91
163
128
152
164
99 = 12 MP
79
146 = 22 MP
63
71
147
59 = 11 MP
91
75
89
79
102
60
59
60
64 = 12 MP
88 = 10 MP
59
81
63
76
60
100
85
122
160
86 = 11MP
90
77
68
156
98 = 11MP
77 = 8 MP

20 procs in I think 92 swings(might wanna double check the math on that)
(if you want the time stamped chatlog let me know i'll PM it to you)

[11:38:10] Jimbobsonofgod readies Expiacion.
[11:38:12] Jimbobsonofgod uses Expiacion.
[11:41:10] Jimbobsonofgod's Aftermath: Lv.3 effect wears off.
As expected 3 min duration on AM3, ended up with 267 MP from 0 after AM was done.

Ahh 15%~ ish draining, not too bad. AM3 being 3 mins is something crazy tho, I wonder if it'll extend to 5 mins by lvl 99. Hopefully whatever update SE has in store for ToAU greatly benefits Alex collection; I refuse to pay 10~15k for the Alex I'm seeing on Carby, lol.

Thanks for the test!

P.S.: Oh, how are the Expiacion numbers at 90? Still shitty?

[Nightfyre]

This is mostly correct, but D value shouldnt be the only thing you consider.
You need nearly 100 STR higher than the mobs VIT to cap fSTR for higher level blue spells. And if the spell has a STR mod (many do), the Ire torque +1 is better for overall damage (not acc).
Example for QC
Mavi = 4 blue att, +2base (if applicable)
Ire+1= 3.5 blue attack, +1.75fstr +1.904 mod

Its certainly not a bad piece if it moves you up, but not the best.

If the trend continues at lvl95, we will have 407 skill at 95 (w/ merits); in which case the AF3+2legs, AF+1 Body, Mavi tathlum, and scarf will be needed to get you to a 101D value. Under the same conditions at 99, mavi will no longer be needed to break the upper tier of 105.

Of course this precludes new equipment that would have +blue skill and be more useful than other available options for that slot.

Crimson/Blood Greaves are guaranteed to get Blue Magic Skill on synergy HQ. With that + a STR augment, maybe a DEX augment on top of that, would be better to use than Mavi scarf.

Does anyone know if "bonus TP" effect from merited Warcry or Moonshade Earring work with Chain Affinity? I did a couple tests that were inconclusive but seem to be leaning towards no.

Also is there any idea if the crit chance on Chant du Cygne from the 25 bonus TP earring is worthwhile?

Pretty sure no for spells. Situationally yes for CDC as it's likely a ~1% increase in critrate going by the Hi data posted a while back, attack+4 critrate +1 isn't half bad at all.

~3% melee damage > MP on 90 Tizona isn't too bad.

[jimbobsonofgod]

Ahh 15%~ ish draining, not too bad. AM3 being 3 mins is something crazy tho, I wonder if it'll extend to 5 mins by lvl 99. Hopefully whatever update SE has in store for ToAU greatly benefits Alex collection; I refuse to pay 10~15k for the Alex I'm seeing on Carby, lol.

Thanks for the test!

P.S.: Oh, how are the Expiacion numbers at 90? Still shitty?

Even though the sample size of the previous upgrades were small they averaged out to be about the same, same % converted to same converted rate. I'll have to check my posted back then but the 3 minute aftermath was back at I think the upgrade to 80.
(pretty sure at 75 it was 10% converted rate for 10-30%ish damage done, then at 80 it was extended aftermath duration and I think it was 20% conversion rate ( even if the small sample size turn out to be a smaller conversion rate in the long run then I guess it runs something like 75 10%, 80 15% , 85 18% 90 20%?)

Np for the testing sorry it took so long.

Yeah Expiacion numbers still don't make my panties wet. Eyeballing it I'd say its still no where near CDC, But if you want I can run some numbers.
(and on sylph people just started to bazaar alex for 10k more serious buyers are trying to buy for 6k, supply is way low though)

Crimson/Blood Greaves are guaranteed to get Blue Magic Skill on synergy HQ. With that + a STR augment, maybe a DEX augment on top of that
~3% melee damage > MP on 90 Tizona isn't too bad.

I think there was a screeny around where you could get Mederi brogues with +blu skill and +str, getting +blu skill and +dex on crimson would be fantastic way to round out your feet choices.
(personally I cant get anything more then +str).

[Nightfyre]

I've never heard of anything higher than skill+2 on Mederi Brogues. If that's enough to get the next tier at 95 then meh, but personally I've yet to even get a decent STR augment and a skill+ augment on the same pair of Mederi. Personally, hoping to get lucky with Blood Greaves augments and be able to use them for both physical spells and CDC.

[doctorugh]

I've gotten +6 STR on Mederi and another with +2 blue skill. Took about 300 to get +6 STR and 300 to get blue skill2+. The likelyhood of hitting both is more time than im willing to invest.

[jimbobsonofgod]

Personally, hoping to get lucky with Blood Greaves augments and be able to use them for both physical spells and CDC.

Or you can blow a bunch of tatters and end up getting a HQ3 and end up with this.
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...songreaves.jpg

[Nightfyre]

Yeah, I'm expecting to burn a lot of wyrmal tatters Feet, Fast Cast +5 legs, and I'm going to try and make a nice nuking body out of the wbody I got last time we killed Odin.

[Draylo]

What augments can w body get?

[Nightfyre]

Supposedly the main augments are haste (guaranteed, nice for my RDM at least since no Goliard), STR, AGI, CHR, and accuracy. I'm not entirely convinced on the "1 in 4" augment list since it's all things that also show up in random pool, but regardless the random pool offers MAB and INT augments so unless something better turns up I'm going to try and make it into a nuking body to replace my Morrigan's Robe.

[Draylo]

Ugh I really need to level Synergy, its such a slow and tedious process though ;/

[Alistaire]

Has it been posted anywhere that SE Apollyon are no longer 100% immune to a damage type? Just soloed it and the previously-immune type was doing about 10% damage. Bit of a boost for meleeing on 2nd floor and getting skillchains off...

[jimbobsonofgod]

I currently have 1haste 2 agil crimson body and 1ratt 4 mdb 3 fastcast blood legs (cant seem to ever see higher the 3 fastcast)

[Byrthnoth]

I'm 99% sure that this is a result of the BST pet nerf. The same thing has been reported on Jailer of Temperance multiple times.