Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

I don't believe weaponskills that don't have Crit mod can crit except from outside sources (Mighty Strikes, Sneak Attack). I'm not 100% positive on it but that's been my experience. Just an example, if it was true MNKs should be able to pull out 1800+ Asuran Fists just like WAR does with Rampage. However a MNKs "Peak" is hardly above they're average damage, and that can be contributed to by PDIF being the highest it possibly could be on all/most hits rather then crits. I've also used RR for a good portion of my WAR career and the numbers have always been extremely consistant.

Considering this, I doubt non-Crit Mod spells can crit without an outside source, and even with the Crit Mod ones you need Burst Affnity to crit them.

Asuran is a bad test subject. A crit on an 8 hit WS is not very noticable. If you want 'proof' parse yourself with destroyers and something else with +18 damage, find which has a higher damage. I have most definately noticed crits Guillo. I'll occasionally get something like a 1.4k guillo without any double attack when I normally get a 1-1.2k Guillo and 0 1.3 guillos. Guillo's TP mod is silence

[Priran]

MNKs should be able to pull out 1800+ Asuran Fists just like WAR does with Rampage. However a MNKs "Peak" is hardly above they're average damage, and that can be contributed to by PDIF being the highest it possibly could be on all/most hits rather then crits

I thought this was because only 2 hits could crit.

[Nny]

MNKs should be able to pull out 1800+ Asuran Fists just like WAR does with Rampage. However a MNKs "Peak" is hardly above they're average damage, and that can be contributed to by PDIF being the highest it possibly could be on all/most hits rather then crits

I thought this was because only 2 hits could crit.

I severly doubt that is true considering the fact that WARs can do 1800+ without Mighty Strikes.

Asuran is a bad test subject. A crit on an 8 hit WS is not very noticable. If you want 'proof' parse yourself with destroyers and something else with +18 damage, find which has a higher damage. I have most definately noticed crits Guillo. I'll occasionally get something like a 1.4k guillo without any double attack when I normally get a 1-1.2k Guillo and 0 1.3 guillos. Guillo's TP mod is silence

I was just using Asuran Fists as an example because it's what most people will have experience with, and therefore most people would relate (And no, the fact that it's 8 hits has nothing to do with it. The only thing you could argue about is the low modifiers on it, the low modifier on the first hit, and/or low DMG compared to a 2h weapon. Every additional hit past the first hit on all WS has a 1.0 TP mod).

THe best way to do it is by doing 1 hit WS, and I've never seen Steel Cyclone nor Ground Strike do anywhere CLOSE to the damage without SA that they do with SA, and I have a lot of experience of doing both without SA. And with a crit rate of around ~10%, that means that 1 out of 10 non-SA WSs should do as much as it's SA countpart.

And asfar as your Guillo, like I said before...PDIF is random. Most likely all hits just got the highest PDIF possible.

[aurik]

I thought the same thing as Pririan but I can't say I've ever done extensive testing on it.

Would be relatively easy to test, just asuran a few dozen wild rabbits and see if you ever exceed a 2.5x pDIF mod. With crit rate via destroyers+merits, it's like a 20% chance to crit, so 25 tests should be more than sufficient.

[Moochi]

Fighting Temperance right now and this is what I've gathered so far. This is all I got before I died. :/

Blunt
Ram Charge
Cannonball
Hysteric Barrage
Frenetic Rip

Piercing
Disseverment
Pinecomb bomb

Slashing
Vertical Cleave
Dearth Scissors
Mandibular Bite

[NynJa]

Fighting Temperance right now and this is what I've gathered so far. This is all I got before I died. :/

Blunt
Ram Charge
Cannonball
Hysteric Barrage
Frenetic Rip

Piercing
Disseverment
Pinecomb bomb

Slashing
Vertical Cleave
Dearth Scissors
Mandibular Bite

niiiiice <3

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Fighting Temperance right now and this is what I've gathered so far. This is all I got before I died. :/

Blunt
Ram Charge
Cannonball
Hysteric Barrage
Frenetic Rip

Piercing
Disseverment
Pinecomb bomb

Slashing
Vertical Cleave
Dearth Scissors
Mandibular Bite

See? Sea IS useful for something.

[Russta]

Great info Moochi.

[NynJa]

Pinecone as Piercing is a little shocking though.


Are you sure it wasnt casted in a Piercing>Blunt transition ??

[Moochi]

I was shocked too. Pretty sure there wasn't a transition but possible. Alot of things were going on and I tried to test as many as possible before it died.

[Moochi]

Proof that you can learn from Besieged too. Might make it easier to get Spinal Cleave.

[Airshort7]

Question I've been waiting to ask


Where specifically did you learn Disseverment...

I know it is from dagger aerns (brd) but don't know where is easiest camp for this


Ninja edit: Found where a brd aern pops, now to get the spell ('A')/

[Machazareel]

I think brds, thfs and blms all use daggers as their weapon, so there's probably a fair amount of mobs you can learn from. <.<

[Lazureus]

got mine from BLM.

[FFXIFlux]

SE Limbus should be ideal for figuring out skill types. Crabs, slimes and skeletons each immune to slashing, blunt and piercing.

[liefe]

Best place to learn Disseverment imo is right outside the grand palace. There are a BLM and BRD right outside the entrance. Try not to debuff if at all possible, that way it won't use the debuff remover WS.

[Russta]

Apologies if this has already been covered but I went through the last 40 pages of this topic and didn't find it any concrete info so... is it only possible to learn Diamondhide from armoured Trolls? We've now done three separate sessions at a total of around 7 hours and still haven't learned it. We went 1/1 on Enervation from a Puppetmaster Troll and despite managing to get 95% of the Trolls we've fought to use Diamondhide, it just won't allow itself to be learned. Razz told me over POL that it can only be learned from armoured Trolls but I was hoping to get some more confirmation here. At least we've found a decent spot in Halvung to rotate four of them if it is the case.

[Koyangi]

Apologies if this has already been covered but I went through the last 40 pages of this topic and didn't find it any concrete info so... is it only possible to learn Diamondhide from armoured Trolls? We've now done three separate sessions at a total of around 7 hours and still haven't learned it. We went 1/1 on Enervation from a Puppetmaster Troll and despite managing to get 95% of the Trolls we've fought to use Diamondhide, it just won't allow itself to be learned. Razz told me over POL that it can only be learned from armoured Trolls but I was hoping to get some more confirmation here. At least we've found a decent spot in Halvung to rotate four of them if it is the case.

Just learn it in Besieged, they spam it, just dia/ga every mob lol.

[Tanthalas]

Apologies if this has already been covered but I went through the last 40 pages of this topic and didn't find it any concrete info so... is it only possible to learn Diamondhide from armoured Trolls? We've now done three separate sessions at a total of around 7 hours and still haven't learned it. We went 1/1 on Enervation from a Puppetmaster Troll and despite managing to get 95% of the Trolls we've fought to use Diamondhide, it just won't allow itself to be learned. Razz told me over POL that it can only be learned from armoured Trolls but I was hoping to get some more confirmation here. At least we've found a decent spot in Halvung to rotate four of them if it is the case.

Diamondhide is from PLD type Troll only.
Enervation is from the soft armored Troll type.

And for anyone else that cares, while we're on this topic:

Hysteric Barrages is from Lamia.
Tail Slap is from Merrow.

All the different mob types can use all the WS's, it's just that you can only learn from their respective subtypes.

[Priran]

And for anyone else that cares, while we're on this topic:

Hysteric Barrages is from Lamia.
Tail Slap is from Merrow.

Firespit from blue Mamool
Warm-Up from brown