Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[dasva]

A few of your spells are kinda situational. Like winds of promy I'd probably switch with Plasma Charge. Have to rely on others erasing but gain 3 dex/str. Mp drain kiss as well unless you are fighting things you know have decent amounts of mp. Even then inside I'd really on melee dmg and refresh gear anyways. Often leave out conserve mp but then again it's been awhile since mp has been an issue for me

Cocoon/magic fruit generally go out the window if I have a healer. Generally speaking I don't set MAB anymore unless I don't really plan on using CDC

Fantod, whirl of rage and goblin rush often go in if for no other reason than the dex/st. Though also helps set store tp and skillchain bonus. Uppercut and battledance too but they also gain att bonus. If I still have room (basically when I'm going all out DD ie all spells are either casted for dmg are there for melee offensive stats/traits with the except of ani wail battery charge and auto refresh of course then) then I'll add sickle slash to give me store tp. Though after this I guess can use sudden lunge instead.

Otherwise mostly the same usually... but being blu shit gets changed around as the need changes. I do love me blitzstrahl for stunning especially with another long one with lunge coming. Various sleeps when needed (especially when different elements needed) etc.

Seeing as they gimped DA it might be safe to assume they might gimp TA. Even if they don't it might not be worth setting anyways giving the extra set points and how you diminish the DA you already have. I'd probably just switch thrash with heavy strike.

Delta thrust dmg isn't huge but it's incredibly mp efficient and helps with traits and helps lower tp and has a really low recast timer and the dmg is still good.

As far as 95... it's hard to say really. As more data comes out things get clearer in some ways but then they change stuff so it's kinda a crap shoot. For awhile almost seemed like like lunge/strike spamming would be the new thing...

[Nightfyre]

I set Auto Refresh, Conserve MP (usually), DA (will swap in Heavy Strike next update), Store TP, and Skillchain Bonus. Fast Cast, Acc Bonus, Attack Bonus, Dual Wield situationally. Triumphant Roar if I can, pretty much everything else depends on what I'm fighting/what support (if any) i have. I like Disseverment for stuff with a significant HP pool due to the powerful poison, QC if I have a decent refresh rate. Delta Thrust is usually on for lesser fights as a cheap damage spell.

[Yugl]

I thought someone found triumphant roar's attack boost was offset by the time and MP needed to cast the spell?

[dasva]

I thought someone found triumphant roar's attack boost was offset by the time and MP needed to cast the spell?

Outside pretty much always. Inside... kinda depends on how much you are on the mob. It's nice thing to do while something is being pulled or you are waiting to jump in there or to start a fight while stalwarts is down.

[Yugl]

That makes sense because the math predated abyssea.

[Nightfyre]

Outside pretty much always. Inside... kinda depends on how much you are on the mob. It's nice thing to do while something is being pulled or you are waiting to jump in there or to start a fight while stalwarts is down.

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I also Diffusion it before NMs if timer's up. Whether or not I set it does in part depend on how I'm doing for MP though.

[dasva]

Ah yeah forgot about diffusion. Mostly cause it's been so long since I've been on blu in a big group with enough people to really benefit from it. But DDs certainly don't expect it when you go to zerg. It's like darn why we got blu in pt get another real melee in for 2hr songs... oh hey another 15% att. I do wish it's duration was better though

[VZX01]

I often solo stuff; MP problem comes due I need to cure myself.
Hence, earlier I asked about Auroral Drape (no one responsed to it yet). Or I really have to tack in eva gear almost full time now (that's not even enough to eva tank stuff in Abyssea, right?), or there's a better way so I can save MP by not curing myself that much.

[dasva]

If you trying to cut down on wasting mp keeping yourself alive you might want to set filament hold and maybe sub zero smash. But yeah as far as evasion goes you'd need a bit to have much effect on abyssea stuff. I mean for example thf has over 100 more I think from traits/skill. But for lvl 75 content you could make some kind of mixed set that does decent. A full set is nice for getting various spells off. Like Dream flower while surronded or Ichi when shadows down

But basic idea is try to make it so the mob takes down shadows slower than you can put them up. So slow down his attack speed. Stun/flash often (often throw in blitzstrahl since it last so long now sudden lunge will do that) and you should be able to straight ichi tank given a decent haste/fast cast set and the mob doesn't DA/TA alot and doesn't keep knocking shadows down while flashed and/or resisting stun. And save Ni for when it AOEs them or bad luck. Also depending on what you solo /dnc or /rdm maybe even /sch? might be better too for conserving getting mp

[VZX01]

I've given a thought about filamented hold, but it seems the max slow effect is rather weak compared to white magic counterpart. Does it usually land for long enough duration? How about the sub-zero smash? Does the para potent enough?

Hmm, assuming I really can cut down the MP cost this way, I can take off 4 points from conserve MP, and 1 from sound blast, but that will leave me 2 more points to release to squeeze both spells in. Maybe take off triumphant roar instead and change sound blast to Fantod?

About fantod, how long is the active duration after cast? Can't find the information on wiki. It might be bothersome to keep it up all the time if the duration is short.

EDIT: tried it. Fantod atk boost is pretty miniscule and wear off on next attack, so it's not worth to cast it on 1st place. Also Sub-zero smash and filamented hold cost exceed 1 cast of magic fruit... So I didn't find them particularly helpful on this case.

[transmit]

Question.

I see a lot of people making Bene Typhoon set ups, but it seems to require an entirely different set of gear (AGI!), is the spell that strong that carrying all this AGI gear around on an already stressed inventory worth it? I've yet to see any crazy numbers with Typhoon posted about.

[Byrthnoth]

Hence, earlier I asked about Auroral Drape (no one responsed to it yet). Or I really have to tack in eva gear almost full time now (that's not even enough to eva tank stuff in Abyssea, right?), or there's a better way so I can save MP by not curing myself that much.

No one is going to know the answer to this because it's fairly difficult to test. As such, it's unlikely that wikia is accurate.

As a general rule, if you can't see the testing and no one knows where the testing is, the testing is probably some schmo eyeballing it.

[VZX01]

Question.

I see a lot of people making Bene Typhoon set ups, but it seems to require an entirely different set of gear (AGI!), is the spell that strong that carrying all this AGI gear around on an already stressed inventory worth it? I've yet to see any crazy numbers with Typhoon posted about.

Many recent (and upcoming lv95 cap) armors have DEX and AGI combined into 1
Personally, Loki's Kaftan and Ocelot Gloves are the only 2 I'm carrying around. Some people (who has CDC) probably carry Lithe Boots, since it can both acts as CDC gear, and also Benthic Typhoon gear.

[Draylo]

You can eva tank a lot of things with just gear on BLU in abyssea.

[Prothescar]

My usual spell set is:

Disseverment
Goblin Rush
Benthic Typhoon
Quad. Continuum
Delta Thrust

Animating Wail
Battery Charge
Magic Fruit

Acrid Stream
Empty Thrash
Winds of Promy.
Actinic Burst

Makes 45 points. The other 10 are used based on the situation. It's a cold day in hell if I ever get Haste or Refresh from an outside source (gimp mages) so I'm stuck with those usually, but you can probably swap those out for other traits or utility spells. If I'm proccing, I drop Benthic so I can fit all 3 at once and fill the left over points with whatever I can fit in.


As for Benthic gear sets, I used to carry one, but I can't justify the inventory cost anymore. if you do carry one, don't make the same mistake that I see most making and use Loki's Kaftan over Magus Jubbah +1.

[Kaslo]

My usual spell set is:

Disseverment
Goblin Rush
Benthic Typhoon
Quad. Continuum
Delta Thrust

Animating Wail
Battery Charge
Magic Fruit

Acrid Stream
Empty Thrash
Winds of Promy.
Actinic Burst

Makes 45 points. The other 10 are used based on the situation. It's a cold day in hell if I ever get Haste or Refresh from an outside source (gimp mages) so I'm stuck with those usually, but you can probably swap those out for other traits or utility spells. If I'm proccing, I drop Benthic so I can fit all 3 at once and fill the left over points with whatever I can fit in.


As for Benthic gear sets, I used to carry one, but I can't justify the inventory cost anymore. if you do carry one, don't make the same mistake that I see most making and use Loki's Kaftan over Magus Jubbah +1.

Assume you drop Battery Charge inside Abyssea?

[Nightfyre]

I can't speak for him but I don't use MM much with Almace.

[Prothescar]

No, I keep Battery charge in abyssea. As Nightfyre said, I don't use MM with Almace.

[Daruma]

Question.

I see a lot of people making Bene Typhoon set ups, but it seems to require an entirely different set of gear (AGI!), is the spell that strong that carrying all this AGI gear around on an already stressed inventory worth it? I've yet to see any crazy numbers with Typhoon posted about.

There was a post a number of pages back where benthic can hit pretty damn high numbers given the right atma and agi set. From my own experience can hit 8k + on regular mobs and 13k on mobs that are weak to damage aka qutrubs. I think the highest I have seen with benthic in aby is 18k (may or may not be correct).

I'm pretty stupid with sets atm - I have agi, str, dex, matk, mnd, eva, DD, sang blade sets on me almost all the time, whether in my mog sack or directly in my inventory.

As far as my own spell sets atm they switch around a lot because my brain seems to be ingrained with rdm mindset. When I was playing rdm main I HAD to be jack of all trades to fit the situation. As they say "shits situational."

[Prothescar]

You're not hitting over a 1.5-2k Benthic Typhoon without Sneak Attack, and why you would be subbing THF is beyond me.