Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[dasva]

Yes you can. SA isn't taking 2k dmg and making it 8k lol. If that were the case everyone would be /thf for the epeen

[Prothescar]

What kind of normal monster are you pulling 8k Benthic Typhoons on?

Assuming:
lv90 monster
400 defense
70VIT
Piercing weak

lv90BLU
412 skill
120 STR
300 AGI
Azure Lore
Efflux
Chain Affinity
+2 emp armor to enhance CA/Eff

Maximum Benthic Typhoon: 4740

[Draylo]

8k sounds like an extreme over exaggeration

[dasva]

Kinda low str value...

That aside I'd love to see the math you did to figure that out. From the looks of it you didn't factor sneak attack in at all

[Prothescar]

It is. My calculations are grossly over inflating player stats, too.

Good luck getting higher than 120 STR while still maintaining 300AGI. Didn't factor in SA because you say it's possible to hit 8k without SA.

I was able to get Benthic to hit 7967 with:

Lv90BLU
412 skill
390STR
390AGI
Azure Lore
Chain Affinity
Efflux

Lv90 Monster
370DEF
70VIT
Piercing Weakness

[dasva]

Spoiler: show

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5...0511181457.png

Take away the 50% peircing bonus it's still 8.7k. With only +1 head and somewhat incomplete set.

[Prothescar]

Also with sneak attack.

Dasva's Hide effect wears off?

Going to have to try harder than that sir. :\

[dasva]

Also with sneak attack.

Dasva's Hide effect wears off?

Going to have to try harder than that sir. :\

It was right after I got hide /thf so was testing out if I could SA from any direction /thf with hide at the same time

I might have to try harder but you need to read harder. No where did anyone say you are hitting 8k without sneak attack. If you look it said yes you can in response to over 1.5-2k and that theres no way just sneak attack will take a 2k dmg spell to 8k

[Prothescar]

You're not hitting over a 1.5-2k Benthic Typhoon without Sneak Attack, and why you would be subbing THF is beyond me.

Yes you can. SA isn't taking 2k dmg and making it 8k lol. If that were the case everyone would be /thf for the epeen

?

[dasva]

Clearly the numbers between 2000 and 8000 no longer exist. My bad

[Tambor]

You said you cannot hit over 2k Benthic without SA. He said yes you can hit over 2k, because SA isn't adding 6k damage to Benthic. Or at least that is what I read.

[Prothescar]

If I misinterpreted I apologize, but at first it looked as though you were trying to say it's possible to hit 8k without the use of SA because SA isn't turning 2k into 8k.

[Byrthnoth]

Between SA, crit attack bonus, and set procs, I'd assume you can quadruple Benthic damage in Abyssea.

Just out of curiosity, what determines physical Blue Magic's attack?

[Prothescar]

Skill and STR

[dasva]

What I meant was that higher than 2k is possible because while SA does vastly increase dmg it isn't likely to multiply it by 4. Well normal mobs anyways.

Obviously things with huge def/lvl where your pdif without SA is likely to be significantly below 1 (not really sure how blu pdif calcs are done or if there has been huge amounts of testing on it) then yeah you could especially with large amounts of +crit dmg. Of course you things like that almost be worthless to cast dmg spells without SA. And you wont be hitting 8k that way in all likely hood even with SA

[Prothescar]

Okay, as long as you weren't saying it's possible to hit 8k without SA. I mean, technically it is possible, but you need abnormally high stats and an empy set proc, and even then you'd have to be incredibly lucky to get 8k.

[dasva]

Naw normally inside I float between 1.5-3k on dmg neutral xp mobs with CAEFF. Well if you don't count the stupid number of misses that spell gets. I swear that alone almost drives me to /thf half the time.

As for why you might /thf. Well for the fun I suppose or if you have tanks that can survive well but don't do great dmg. It's no Ukkon war but ending darkness with a 10k spell is kinda nice especially when you tell the mob someone else did it.

On that note they really need to fix blu pdif. Everyone else can make up for low att/high deff with buffs or more att gear blu... yeah pile on more str/skill gear I guess or SA. I mean at least make some buffs add to it

[Atoreis]

damage/pdif="base"
"base"*critDIF*crit bonus=new damage


2.0 pDIF example
2000/2=1000
1000*3*2=6000

1.5 pDIF example
2000/1.5=1333
1333*2.5*2=6665

1.0 pDIF example
2000/1=2000
2000*2*2=8000

YES crit can make 2k benthic into 8k
YES it would be very hard or close to impossible to achieve 2k "base" and 1.0 pDIF
YES crit wont on avg quadruple your damage from BT even with right atmas

I almost made both sides right. I don't think it will stop discussion tho :D

[dasva]

You forgot that blu can't cap +crit dmg. A more reasonable number like 1.65 -1.7 maybe 1.8 (though you'd have to do weird stuff) instead of 2 for that. Though... does blood rage work for blu spells?

[Atoreis]

You forgot that blu can't cap +crit dmg. A more reasonable number like 1.65 or maybe even 1.7 instead of 2 for that. Though... does blood rage work for blu spells?

There is no reason it wont. I dont think blood rage effect is unique and other than atma effect from RR (in mechanic).