Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[dasva]

Again I said for stat mod not don't use dINT. Nor did I say anything about strongest or most useful. You are arguing points I've never made

[Prothescar]

Saying that Teal wins under Burst Affinity is an incorrect assertion, by the way.

BA Teal: 1615
BA Praeco: 1618


This is the case for any of our useful magical spells with a non-standard WSC.

Teal does not win. Ever.


And also, even dMND spells would benefit more from the Praeco, making the only two spells in our arsenal that benefit from Teal Saio more than Praeco Doublet Mysterious Light and Eyes on Me. Woohoo.

Stat mods by themselves are absolutely useless and inconsequential, so saying something is better on the grounds of "but it's modified by VIT not INT or MND" is absurd. Without taking DINT/dMND into account, you may as well just be saying what your favorite stat is.

[dasva]

Bleh forgot you were using such a small vit. That and order and rounding. Ok then what about GoH or CW. Both useful (which still was not what I was saying but I'll play your game) and both better off with teal. Though really both probably better off with Toci's Harness

[Prothescar]

Neither Gates of Hades nor Charged Whisker gain anything from Teal that Thermal Pulse does not, I fail to see your point.

[dasva]

Better stat gear options vs int and/or mab.

[Prothescar]

Why does that have anything to do with Teal Saio or Praeco doublet, since at that point either would be dwarfed by the superior stat body?

Anything below 160 or so of VIT, STR, or DEX depending on the spell will still favor Praeco if you haven't got VIT, STR, or DEX in the body slot. 160 is high.

[dasva]

I beleive I already said that...

[Prothescar]

So what exactly are you trying to advocate when it comes to Teal vs. Praeco if teal is absolutely worthless? And before you say "BUT I WASN'T!", you most certainly were.

[dasva]

Just that it between those 2 bodies on those spells it can do more dmg... ya know what I said at the very begining

Edit: Since I was in town decided to check just how realistic 80 vit is. 77 base vit as a taru blu/rdm (I'm assuming /rdm given the 80 MAB you put for no body). With spells terra staff and the few good vit peices (assuming you even bother) or any other race 100 is a bit more reasonable then 80 and favors teal

[Prothescar]

Can it? Yeah, in an unreasonable situation where you have far more of a stat than is currently feasible, unless inside of abyssea with some stats from atma, which changes things quite a bit.

However, in any normal setting, that is not the case.

Edit: 100 VIT does not favor Teal. Are you even doing the math? Also, Terra Staff?

[dasva]

Well since I just showed your rather low number for stat was unreasonable I think perhaps you are a little off on the stat amounts department seeing as any other race probably couldn't even get that low if they tried. 80 MAB without a body is fairly unreasonable without atmas meds or memento mori too

[Prothescar]

Or you're making simple calculation errors.

Using Terra's Staff for a fire based spell also skews the result by +/- 1 or 2 damage.

[dasva]

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Nope I think I "calculated" 77 perfectly fine

[Prothescar]

Your calculation for 100VIT favoring Teal is what's suspect. Also fairly confident that I could get much lower than 77 if I tried.

Also, there's nothing unreasonable about Ascetic's/Memento Mori in settings where magic damage would matter to begin with. It is also missing a few MAB from ear slot and neck as I did not add Artemis Medal or the new +8 MAB neck and I do not have Novio earring.

[dasva]

You already calculated them to be almost the same under Burst affinity. So yeah...

[Prothescar]

...and how does that cause 100VIT to favor Teal? They're either exactly the same or off by 1-2 damage if you are not using the appropriate elemental staff. I doubt the guy who asked the question cares about when Teal beats Praeco due to incorrect gear and application.

[fantasticdan]

Much thanks for the numbers prothescar. What about sanguine blade thou?

[Yugl]

Edit: NVM, need to look at this.

[dasva]

...and how does that cause 100VIT to favor Teal? They're either exactly the same or off by 1-2 damage if you are not using the appropriate elemental staff. I doubt the guy who asked the question cares about when Teal beats Praeco due to incorrect gear and application.

More base dmg devalues int... and while not alot there are several peices of vit gear that are useful. Several spells which give vit. And oh yeah the fact that other races will have a good 10 more vit. As far as the who cares there is something better in those situations... well shit just throw morrigans in there since outside of chr it beats teal in every stat.

And for sanguine blade yeah it should win easy outside of brewing. Using dint and the mnd.

[Prothescar]

Much thanks for the numbers prothescar. What about sanguine blade thou?

Sanguine Blade benefits more from Praeco too~