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  1. #11381
    The Once and Future Wamoura
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    Can't you get like 5% cure pot on Genbu's coupled with the 13% on Sanus Ensis?

    So you'd basically lose 8% cure pot for 40 HP? I can't imagine that being better.

    (You could also get HP+ on Genbu's Shield too)

  2. #11382
    Ridill
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    Sanus Ensis + genbus would probalby beat that (especially on yourself lol) damn beaten. Also add cure pot is the HQ aug and hp is the common for genbu so getting both not too unlikely

  3. #11383
    Nidhogg
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    Forgot about Sanus. I need to get that thing =_=

  4. #11384
    Cerberus
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    For Requiescat just wanted to ask please if Morrigan's Robe would be at least equal to Praeco Doublet? Thank you.

  5. #11385
    A. Body
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrthnoth View Post
    Okay, I give up. Why does anyone buy this from me?
    http://www.ffxiah.com/item/18914/killers-kilij

    I sold 4 of them in the last two days quickly for a mil each. The ingredients probably run me 700k.
    If you cap pdt in other slots would this beat an evasion sword for whisker pulling? Only thing I can think of really.

  6. #11386
    An exploitable mess of a card game
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vriska View Post
    EVER.
    Uh-gain?

  7. #11387
    The Spooniest of Bards
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    So, I pretty much have this TP set:

    http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/55243

    Save for Bonnet, Neck and Mittens, have 5/5 thaumas, can get Ocelomeh, what should I swap in for Head/Hands/Neck in the mean time?

  8. #11388
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fereydoon View Post
    So, I pretty much have this TP set:

    http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/55243

    Save for Bonnet, Neck and Mittens, have 5/5 thaumas, can get Ocelomeh, what should I swap in for Head/Hands/Neck in the mean time?
    You're saying you have those items except you don't have the bonnet/neck/mitts? Probably AF3+2 hat, Rancor Collar, Thaumas gloves. Which is my set except I did get the Nomnom mitts.

  9. #11389
    The Spooniest of Bards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistaire View Post
    You're saying you have those items except you don't have the bonnet/neck/mitts? Probably AF3+2 hat, Rancor Collar, Thaumas gloves. Which is my set except I did get the Nomnom mitts.
    Yeah, sorry if I worded that funny. Would Ocelomeh +1 be better than AF3+2?

  10. #11390
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fereydoon View Post
    Yeah, sorry if I worded that funny. Would Ocelomeh +1 be better than AF3+2?
    It depends, pretty situational... Look at http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/687...critical-hits/ for the crit rate you'd get. Best case scenario is your DEX is 37 more than mob's AGI, so adding 13 DEX adds 10% crit rate. But it can also be as little as 1% crit rate or 0 if you're too low or already 50 DEX over mob's AGI.

  11. #11391
    The Spooniest of Bards
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    Currently looks like this then:

    http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/267641

    Oce. hat if it'd give me enough crit rate, upgrade to Khepri if possible, no other upgrades?

  12. #11392
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    Nope. That'd be it.

  13. #11393
    An exploitable mess of a card game
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    Athos cap?

  14. #11394
    The Spooniest of Bards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yugl View Post
    Athos cap?
    I'd need to make up another point of haste elsewhere to be at 26% Unless the 8STR makes up for the percent of lost haste?

  15. #11395
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yugl View Post
    Athos cap?
    Need 6% haste in head to cap haste in that build, could go athos hat+ boots instead of af3+2/oce+1/khepri (with 6% haste augment) and thaumas boots. Same haste, gain 3% crit rate, lose 3% double attack and 14 atk on boots and stats from hat. Lose some DEX from boots as well, variable amount depending on whether you have nomkahpa or using thaumas gloves. Net gain of 5 str on head (using nomkhapa, 3 if using thaumas gloves). Can't really see that winning.

  16. #11396
    An exploitable mess of a card game
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    Would keep the boots. It's 2fSTR + 4ATT v 0.5ish haste (dDEX dependent) for Ocelomeh. 2fSTR v 3ATT 0.5 Haste for AF3+2. Would be so minor that you would want to use whatever is most inventory convenient either way.

  17. #11397
    New Merits
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    Have been gone for about 6 months, thinking about coming back. If I really enjoy the +2 refresh from either AF3+2 body or Relic+2 what then becomes the best option for that senario?

  18. #11398
    Impossiblu
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    Optimal TP Set

    If for some reason the 2 Refresh is worth losing a decent amount of melee performance for you, I'd probably just switch Thaumas body for Mavi+2 and Khepri head for Oce +1 to maintain capped haste.

  19. #11399
    Resident Moogle
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    What's the optimal WS set for both Abyssea, and in Voidwatch? I'm having a rough time trying to balance thaumas with athos in addition to the usual stuff.

  20. #11400
    Impossiblu
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    Chant du Cygne - Athos Legs in place of Khepri Kecks, Athos Gloves on active days (water, ice, light)

    Requiescat - Teal Chapeau or Maat's Cap in place of Magavan Beret, Mavi +2 in place of Khepri wristbands

    Sanguine Blade - Praeco doublet in place of Spurrina


    Stuff after the set is only if you don't have access to those harder to get pieces, otherwise ignore.

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