Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Prothescar]

Would be better off on another job, as much as I hate to admit it

[Ophannus]

BLU is one of those jobs that has too diverse spells/JAs that they have no real niche in Legion, everything they do it mediocre at best and legion is the type of event where you need specialists. The mobs generally have jesus evasion without madrigal and a 2handed weapon so almost all of your physical spells will miss or hit for trash, sudden lunge stun basically never procs either, better to rely on Shocksquall. Sword damage is gonna be lolworthy. Only real benefit might be random tourbillion(when it's fixed) though a DRG can do similar and also better damage than BLU. Maybe SA+Vanity Dive/Benthic/Heavy Strike could be decent but better off having an actual DD job instead. Even a RDM would be better than BLU in legion just for debuffs and refresh II and extra cures/phalanx and stuns.

[doctorugh]

The only 2 times I was in, I was on COR and basically buffed my DD party and then QD and Leaden Salute helping the Mages with turtle. Seemed to do fine.

I was think I might be able to BLU/THF and play as a mage/ranger. SA/CA Cannonball and throw in nukes in between. Basically staying active while out of range.

[Prothescar]

Immensely low damage output compared to other DDs, which is a major problem in Legion as every single second counts.

[Byrthnoth]

1H DDs just suck in legion because of level correction. It is too bad. SE should really fix that. It isn't like we are in extreme danger of 1h DD burning everything either way.

[Viar]

BLU is one of those jobs that has too diverse spells/JAs that they have no real niche in Legion, everything they do it mediocre at best and legion is the type of event where you need specialists. The mobs generally have jesus evasion without madrigal and a 2handed weapon so almost all of your physical spells will miss or hit for trash, sudden lunge stun basically never procs either, better to rely on Shocksquall. Sword damage is gonna be lolworthy. Only real benefit might be random tourbillion(when it's fixed) though a DRG can do similar and also better damage than BLU. Maybe SA+Vanity Dive/Benthic/Heavy Strike could be decent but better off having an actual DD job instead. Even a RDM would be better than BLU in legion just for debuffs and refresh II and extra cures/phalanx and stuns.

I was thinking about after Tourbillion fixed, have BLU pop new 2hr and lock it near the entrance, and Tourbillion every NM, then use 5x Rag WAR as DD? Wouldn't Rag WAR cap pDIF that way, and has more DA/bloodrage/mighty strikes than having a bunch of DRKs.

[Vriska]

I was thinking about after Tourbillion fixed, have BLU pop new 2hr and lock it near the entrance, and Tourbillion every NM, then use 5x Rag WAR as DD? Wouldn't Rag WAR cap pDIF that way, and has more DA/bloodrage/mighty strikes than having a bunch of DRKs.

Some Legion NMs, if not most of them, are very magically evasive. Even if you could guarantee it landing every time, it's probably not enough. If they added some more significant buff spells to Unbridled, and made the new 2h extend duration, then maybe...

[dasva]

Maybe if they made pyric bulwark not suck donkey balls... seriously who in there right mind thought that was good enough for a 5min timer? Even it's own seperate 5 min timer would be rediculous let alone one shared with anything else lol

[Nightfyre]

I was thinking about after Tourbillion fixed, have BLU pop new 2hr and lock it near the entrance, and Tourbillion every NM, then use 5x Rag WAR as DD? Wouldn't Rag WAR cap pDIF that way, and has more DA/bloodrage/mighty strikes than having a bunch of DRKs.

This is what BRDs and CORs are for. People already use Rag WARs.

BLU doesn't have a place in Legion and that's the end of it until SE sees fit to either nerf the event or do something about 1hander performance in high level correction situations. It's a 30-minute zerg, you don't have time to be fucking about with wasting an alliance slot on SATA Cannonballs or focusing exclusively on Tourbillion.

[dasva]

They also in general need to fix blu dmg on higher lvl/def targets. Ie give us ways to increase blu pdif besides a couple of blu spells, str, and SA

[Ophannus]

Pretty much all damage is gimped in legion due to level correction. The only reason melees do so well is because they're getting food, 4 songs, haste, 4 rolls, embrava, angon and dia 2. Strip all that away and melees are WSing for like 300-400 damage and hitting for 50-80 which is not much further from what BLU does. Since none of the aforementioned buffs affect blu spells there's really now way a BLU can compete. Would be cool if they made blue attack related to weapon attack or at least let weapon attack give a bonus on top of blue skill. But as it stands most of our blue spells base attack is 480-550ish against NMs with 800+ defense.

[Nightfyre]

If they leveled the playing field on Ratio along with attack and accuracy via STR and DEX then the only thing holding us back would be lack of JA haste. With a DNC and adjusting gear to compensate for overcapping delay reduction we'd be right up there. Granted our 2hr(s) would still suck...

[Prothescar]

As I suggested in that producer thread, ratio and DEX/STR evening out along with a sizable blue magic attack bonus would make BLU a very good DD. Not all spells would be useful with the attack boost that I had in mind (50~75% added directly to the blue magic attack formula), however spells like Vanity Dive and Goblin Rush which already get sizable attack bonuses of their own would be pretty sweet. Letting them ignore a little bit of level correction and letting 100% of STR = attack would be decent too.

[dasva]

I say att buffs should effect blu spells myself... I mean minuet only says att but adds to ratt. Or maybe make lvl correction hurt less like they do for ratt? Idk tons of possible solutions for that one huge problem.

[Kaisha]

I'll just take anything to warrant not always being in the junk party in every event ever. Voidwatch and Legion are such a slap to 1handers it isn't funny.

If SoA follows the same trend I'm going to have to seriously consider either lvling DRK, or getting my MNK a Vere.....or whatever SoA introduces as Ultimate Weapons.

[Vriska]

For sure, I had to restrain myself from a screaming fit in a VW party where a PDT- H2H MNK and Widowmaker WAR with Perle hands and feet (and a suppa!) were in the party with the COR and I was stuck with mages.

[Kaisha]

Reminds me of the time I was BLU/PLD on an Akvan in the mage party, and I was essentially tanking the first 50% of the fight before the other DDs capped dmg hate, and I'm using a WoE Sword to boot. No aftermath goodness for me.

Pug Akvans are the god damn worst, only thing that keeps my sanity in them is watching half the ally die every time it glares.

[Nishida]

For sure, I had to restrain myself from a screaming fit in a VW party where a PDT- H2H MNK and Widowmaker WAR with Perle hands and feet (and a suppa!) were in the party with the COR and I was stuck with mages.

You mean brawny adargas, or a full pdt set to tp in? If you mean just the weps..I use those and pull 1k+ shijin spirals on kaggen, etc and am only 3/5 shijin. Granted thats not on par with Vere, but it's still better than some 1H jobs.

[Nightfyre]

Probably means the PDT magians, and some half-decent Shijins doesn't justify giving them a slot in the buff party over a good BLU.

[Fake]

You mean brawny adargas, or a full pdt set to tp in? If you mean just the weps..I use those and pull 1k+ shijin spirals on kaggen, etc and am only 3/5 shijin. Granted thats not on par with Vere, but it's still better than some 1H jobs.

Did you seriously just try and justify your sub par weapon with 1k+ shijins? On level 95? content no less.

On topic, one of the blus on my server who is regularly in the same pickup VW groups as I am frequently does better than all the shitty vereth mnks and ukon wars, often its by a considerable margin depending on procs. I'm am by no means championing blu as a good DD in any high level content (its not), its more just a testement to how aweful the average emp war or mnk and how any well geared/played job can beat them.