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  1. #12541
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    Quote Originally Posted by doctorugh View Post
    Apparently its terrible, I'm 0/20+
    Have you had enmity on the Naakuals when they died? It's likely a requirement.

  2. #12542
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    My personal experience learning the delve boss spells with full skill gear (500ish) and AF gloves on, has been 1/2 on Achuka, 1/1 on Muyingwa, and 1/11 with 119 gloves between Tchakka an Dakuwaqa, so its like it has always been it seems, nothing special other than you dont have to get kill shot.
    Also, a friend got the spell without getting any xp from the reive, entered right as it died and got the spell, but i have no screenshot and he might've been exaggerating, so thats no proof in all honesty.

  3. #12543
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    I wouldn't doubt it. A long time ago I learned a spell from a mob my pt was killing as I zoned in. To the point I didn't even get a message for the kill just learned sandspin as I zoned

  4. #12544
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fwahm View Post
    Have you had enmity on the Naakuals when they died? It's likely a requirement.
    Unless enmity stays on when your dead it isn't I learned from the shark while dead it killed me at a low percent and I didn't get a raise until after it was dead still learned the spell.

  5. #12545
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenshyn View Post
    Unless enmity stays on when your dead it isn't I learned from the shark while dead it killed me at a low percent and I didn't get a raise until after it was dead still learned the spell.
    Depends. When you die you get off the hate list but unless you were the main target at the time it will still keep track of your enmity

  6. #12546
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fwahm View Post
    Have you had enmity on the Naakuals when they died? It's likely a requirement.

    You must think I'm "some kind of stupid". Like I came in on DNC and expected to learn the spell for BLU......of course.....of course I had enmity and likely tanking it upon death (not mine, the bosses......had to clarify less you think I am new at this blue mage thing)

  7. #12547
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    Once I capped and merited Blue Magic, I went 1/2 on one spell and 1/1 on another. I'd like to get the third, but I haven't seen a Tchakka /shout in quite a while.

  8. #12548
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    For some reason my server tends to do all 3 together. But yeah went last night more or less tanking each one most the fight since almost everyone else was trusting it up and I was triboxing and no learning . Maybe I should focus on +1ing my rf hands lol

  9. #12549
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    Stacking BLU+ skill along with Assimilator Bazubands and you'll learn the spells much easier. With all of the ilvl gear, they're essentially doing the same thing with the new spells, while we can learn them at 99, we may need a higher skill threshold to do so.

  10. #12550
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    Where exactly do i put the +magic damage part in the calculation of blue mage spell damage??
    Im mainly wondering cause im thinking maybe dosis tathlum could be the best ammo piece for physical spells, specially since mavi tathlum doesnt break a tier for me anymore, and cant think of anything better that cheruski needle =/

  11. #12551
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    Not sure if it's been tested but I doubt +magic dmg works for physical dmg spells

  12. #12552
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    Well damn... you are absolutely right... i vaguely recall someone using Tamaxchi and posting increased damage in here.

    I just tried feather storm on lvl1 mobs in ronfaure (bunnies and worms, no bats) and no +magic damage gave me higher results...

    I am baffled by something though, 14/50 casts i got a 25% increase in damage which i have no idea where it came from (from 720 to 900, and 702 to 877), what am i missing?? blu spells cant crit unless chain affinity is active for certain spells, sneak attack or heavy strike right? are ranged attack spells different? And completely naked 3/6 feather storms did 504 and the other did 630.

    This was the gear i was using, only things that changed were the rings and wanion belt to kinda balance the AGI from anahera saber

    Err Luhlaza +1 head, hands and feet, assimilator jubbah +1

  13. #12553
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    The +skill from weapons increases phys spell DMG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teryu View Post
    The +skill from weapons increases phys spell DMG.
    The +skill on weapons only gives us blu attack if im not mistaken
    Well i just had a thought, since feather storm's D value caps at 17, maybe +magic damage is added to that part of the formula?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vathris View Post
    The +skill on weapons only gives us blu attack if im not mistaken
    Well i just had a thought, since feather storm's D value caps at 17, maybe +magic damage is added to that part of the formula?
    iirc at first it was just blue attack but then they added D after. Which make sense considering D rises with level because of skill

    Also as far as the 25% thing sounds suspiciously like a crit. Exactly 25% both times is exactly what a crit would do. Try +crit dmg gear see if that makes the diff more

  16. #12556
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    Skill indeed adds both attack and D, but it doesn't bypass D caps so it's only really fully used on new spells. Magic damage doesn't affect physical spells unfortunately.

  17. #12557
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    Well now im confused... low/high feather storm with athos pants on 504/510 and low/high 20%ish of the time i got 655/662 and bg wiki has athos pants at 4% crit damage
    Changed mortal ray for animating wail for quicker casts and damage dropped a bit 498/504 and 646/655

    So far my total (i guess crit rate, since athos boosts it) on feather storm is 25/116

  18. #12558
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    Feather Storm crits normally because it's treated as a ranged attack. The damage difference between athos and non-athos = 4%. Dropping mortal ray lowered damage because you've lost fSTR by dropping STR.

  19. #12559
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    Oh well thanks people, apologies for making a fuss, also i had no idea ranged blu magic could crit normally.
    Thanks for the replies, back to lurking!

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    Not all of them can. Only pinecone bomb and feather storm are considered actual ranged attacks, so most people don't usually realize that they're special since it's such an underused mechanic

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