Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Elcura]

[quote=Not Kuno][quote=Airshort7]

Is Dissector worth getting for blu?

Yeah it is and it's damn easy to get too. We did four Double Dragonian's as COR, BLMx4; Thundaga III>Sleepga 2>Thundaga III, over. Got two Dissectors, a Subduer and a pair of Destroyers (which all pretty much went to waste other than the wanted Dissector) but pretty crappy money drops.

Screw that Im going on blu to learn body slam.

After killing Dahaks to get body slam at like lvl 65ish, I'm convinced it was the time spent / reward ratio was like that of COP.[/quote:c1782]

Well I know that the DD Dragons do Body Slam like crazy motherfuckers.[/quote:c1782]

If you stun a WS can you still learn it?

It'd be pretty much suicidal to allow that Body Slam to get through >.>;

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

[quote=Elcura][quote=Not Kuno]

Is Dissector worth getting for blu?

Yeah it is and it's damn easy to get too. We did four Double Dragonian's as COR, BLMx4; Thundaga III>Sleepga 2>Thundaga III, over. Got two Dissectors, a Subduer and a pair of Destroyers (which all pretty much went to waste other than the wanted Dissector) but pretty crappy money drops.

Screw that Im going on blu to learn body slam.

After killing Dahaks to get body slam at like lvl 65ish, I'm convinced it was the time spent / reward ratio was like that of COP.

Well I know that the DD Dragons do Body Slam like crazy motherfuckers.[/quote:fa191]

If you stun a WS can you still learn it?

It'd be pretty much suicidal to allow that Body Slam to get through >.>;[/quote:fa191]

Just have all melees sub NIN, its still damn easy.

[Vobent]

My friend says yes, but he also says you learn spells faster on low HP because he learned a spell on low HP once, when you couldn't learn it for hours.


I say no, with no other stupid theories.

[Kurokikaze]

[quote=Elcura][quote=Not Kuno]

Is Dissector worth getting for blu?

Yeah it is and it's damn easy to get too. We did four Double Dragonian's as COR, BLMx4; Thundaga III>Sleepga 2>Thundaga III, over. Got two Dissectors, a Subduer and a pair of Destroyers (which all pretty much went to waste other than the wanted Dissector) but pretty crappy money drops.

Screw that Im going on blu to learn body slam.

After killing Dahaks to get body slam at like lvl 65ish, I'm convinced it was the time spent / reward ratio was like that of COP.

Well I know that the DD Dragons do Body Slam like crazy motherfuckers.[/quote:b80f6]

If you stun a WS can you still learn it?

It'd be pretty much suicidal to allow that Body Slam to get through >.>;[/quote:b80f6]

I accidently stunned Enervation and still learned the spell after the fight. And yes, that was the only time during the fight it used the spell.

[Gulkeeva]

Anyone notice the strangeness of Verticle Cleave? To me it almsot seems to do more damage the higher the targets Defense is.

I wasne't sure if it was coincidence that after a IT mamool used cacoon my verticle cleave did a 1400ish with barely 100 TP, but things at caedirvmire whatever place flys and imps take damage in ranges of like 500-800 at most.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Anyone notice the strangeness of Verticle Cleave? To me it almsot seems to do more damage the higher the targets Defense is.

I wasne't sure if it was coincidence that after a IT mamool used cacoon my verticle cleave did a 1400ish with barely 100 TP, but things at caedirvmire whatever place flys and imps take damage in ranges of like 500-800 at most.

Was that all SA'd? All 100ish TP? Cause that's extremely strange...

[Gulkeeva]

Anyone notice the strangeness of Verticle Cleave? To me it almsot seems to do more damage the higher the targets Defense is.

I wasne't sure if it was coincidence that after a IT mamool used cacoon my verticle cleave did a 1400ish with barely 100 TP, but things at caedirvmire whatever place flys and imps take damage in ranges of like 500-800 at most.

Was that all SA'd? All 100ish TP? Cause that's extremely strange...

around or below 100% Tp

SA verticle cleave averaged 600-800 itself (on the mamools) about 200-400 on imps and flies... I dunno w

[Celeras]

http://celeras.livejournal.com/119879.html

Damage is terribly random.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

http://celeras.livejournal.com/119879.html

Damage is terribly random.

Wow. Ram charge is hysterically awful.

[DeadLegend]

Which is odd since the rams can deal pretty hefty damage with it. Long-range knockback is the coolest thing in the game.

[Gulkeeva]

hmm well Verticle cleave seems to be a constant damage, but he' usig a like Lv1 mob as a test, not something VT/IT+ >.>

also on the information page, 3.00 damage modifier on Verticle cleave, (the rest is blanked out past 0%TP) so my guess is its basically at max damage with its slight varyense of damage depending on your STR.

Ram charge on the chart has a 50% MND and 30% STR modifier while verticle cleave is 50% STR as seen here, also currently ram charge TP boost is set as a ??? while verticle cleave has a - showing that extra TP does nothing and its automatically 3.00 mod at 0% TP which makes very a very strong WS to use on HNM/stuff you can't TP on.

http://www.neko-sentai.com/images/BlumageNFO.htm

So that would explain its damage boost thats soorta small for his STR and no +MND while verticle cleave is jumping up in damage with the STR he put on.

Interesting thing to see is that stat boosts effect blue magic without chain affinity which is nice to know. I saw some posts asking about that.
I'll have to take pics of verticle cleave sometime while exping at caedemire and thickets/mamool area.

[Russta]

hmm well Verticle cleave seems to be a constant damage, but he' usig a like Lv1 mob as a test, not something VT/IT+ >.>

That really is a terrible argument. Ronfaure rabbits are the best mob in the game to test this sort of thing because their level and stats are always the same giving consistent figures. They're the mobs most of the damage calculations we all use today were worked out on.

[Gulkeeva]

Blue magic isn't like a weapon to give constant numbers on everything it hits. We don't even know the Damage Rating on it.

It can have a weakness to one thing but strong to another, as far as we know luminins could be weak to bunnies and giving less damage!

Eh anyway, mainly what I was originally going after is in the earlier posts was "Does higher defense increase damage". Like would Verticle Cleave hit Genbu for 1000's unlike death scissors that would maybe do 200-400 to it.

Would this be like the "Diablos nethral attack (eh whatever it is that does like 500 to most HNM cept wyrms) form of attack for blu thats every 1min.

[FFXIFlux]

That really is a terrible argument. Ronfaure rabbits are the best mob in the game to test this sort of thing because their level and stats are always the same giving consistent figures. They're the mobs most of the damage calculations we all use today were worked out on.

I tried testing on low level mobs and the damage range was immense, much greater (both lower and higher) than on tough mobs.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

That really is a terrible argument. Ronfaure rabbits are the best mob in the game to test this sort of thing because their level and stats are always the same giving consistent figures. They're the mobs most of the damage calculations we all use today were worked out on.

I tried testing on low level mobs and the damage range was immense, much greater (both lower and higher) than on tough mobs.

Does low level mob mean ronfaure rabbits?

[FFXIFlux]

Does low level mob mean ronfaure rabbits?

Yes.

[FFXIFlux]

Well I know that the DD Dragons do Body Slam like crazy motherfuckers.

We fought Dahaks last night, 3 of the 4 of us got it, the level 57 BLU didn't but we gave up after 6 or 7 dragons. I tried headbutt a couple times and even with sushi it wouldn't land. I'm not sure why but I'm guessing the mob is immune to "being moved." Jettaru and Temporal Shift were 100% and stopped Nullsong. Out of all the dragons we only had them petro eyes a couple times, it lasted forever but we had a WHM. Bodyslam took 2-3 shadows with NIN sub, and wasn't a problem.

Now I only have Memento Mori left to get. Woo. Hoo.

[Not Kuno]

Well I know that the DD Dragons do Body Slam like crazy motherfuckers.

We fought Dahaks last night, 3 of the 4 of us got it, the level 57 BLU didn't but we gave up after 6 or 7 dragons. I tried headbutt a couple times and even with sushi it wouldn't land. I'm not sure why but I'm guessing the mob is immune to "being moved." Jettaru and Temporal Shift were 100% and stopped Nullsong. Out of all the dragons we only had them petro eyes a couple times, it lasted forever but we had a WHM. Bodyslam took 2-3 shadows with NIN sub, and wasn't a problem.

Now I only have Memento Mori left to get. Woo. Hoo.

Any special methods to get the regular dragons to body slam?

[FFXIFlux]

Any special methods to get the regular dragons to body slam?

Our tank stood behind/beside it (mob won't turn unless it has to actually move.) Not sure if thats required. We were spamming melee and physical magic on them and they'd do a dozen TP moves before they'd die, and 2 or 3 were bodyslam.

[Russta]

Any special methods to get the regular dragons to body slam?

Our tank stood behind/beside it (mob won't turn unless it has to actually move.) Not sure if thats required. We were spamming melee and physical magic on them and they'd do a dozen TP moves before they'd die, and 2 or 3 were bodyslam.

How many people were there total?

Also, were they standing in any specific positions? All clumped in one spot? All on top of the tank?