Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Hiruke]

Strangely enough Eyes On Me is one of the few things that I don't remember seeing anyone test seriously at end game. It could be failing memory of course, there's a bit of info out there to mentally sort.

Thats because people tried it in XP and found out it's shit. And seriously, who has room to bring +CHR gear on top of all the other shit BLU needs? DEF for cannonball, STR, VIT, magic accuracy, MND for healing etc. etc. It's ludicrous.

Yeah, because when NINs, for example, go fight Kirin, in addition to kiting gear they also bring their evasion set-up, their TP gear, their WS gear, their jutsu nuking gear, their Haste gear, as well as gear for a couple lowbie jobs and a ton of WAR stuff. Brilliant!

It is possible to leave some stuff at your mog house from time to time, unless, of course, you feel you MUST equip Apollo's Staff and a ton of MND/healing gear every time you cast Magic Fruit in an xp PT. Or, you could stop being counter-smart and bring the gear appropriate for the role you intend to play.

I haven't really read any testing of Eyes on Me, either. However, saying "people tried it in xp" may or may not mean much of anything. You could also say, "I tried Vertical Cleave and man, it sucked!" "Did you use SA?" "...no" "Idiot." Since it's completely modded by CHR, unless they used a ton of CHR and MAB gear, it really doesn't matter whether or not they casted the spell at all. (Also, if it was in xp, I seriously seriously doubt they, for example, used a Pluto's Staff to cast it.)

It's not like BLU has a ton of natural CHR or anything, esp. if you're like a Mithra or something with horrible CHR. Saying that people "decided it sucked" isn't quite the same as saying "people used blah blah gear and it still sucked anyway".

What swords do people recomend using?

I use Ifrit offhand and http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/2294 main since it's high damage, fast and cheap. I don't think any of the post 70 swords are any huge bonus over the others, although I'd drop my scimitar for a Shiva's Shotel in a second.

I lol'd.

[NynJa]

weapon: Pluto Staff, CHR+2 and 15% extra potency on Eyes
ammo: Imperial Egg, CHR+3 (lolol)
Head: Mahatma Hat, CHR+4
Neck: Temperance Torque, CHR+5 (lolcop)
Ear1: Melody+1, CHR+2
Ear2: Melody+1, CHR+2
Body: Errant Houppelande, CHR+10
Hands: Marine Gloves, CHR+3 (only applies to humes)
Ring1: Heavens/Light Ring, CHR+5
Ring2: Heavens/Light Ring, CHR+5
Back: Jester's Cape+1, CHR+10
Waist: Corsette +1, CHR+6
Legs: Mahatma Slops, CHR+8
Feet: Spagyric Nails, CHR+4 (thats assuming you can find these, since they're off a fished up NM on the mhaura<->Whitegate ferry, Dance Shoes or Heroic Boots offer CHR+3)


not counting the gloves that humes get access to, thats a total of CHR+69. Most of that gear isnt ridiculously expensive either.

[Hiruke]

Honestly, I'd be more interested in testing with MAB in the slots where you can get it (4/5 Yigit, Moldavite, Uggalepih). I'm kind of curious how loading up on MAB would work, since, unlike when BLMs do so, for BLU the base stat involved is kind of suck.

Yigit would undoubtedly work much better on spells like Firespit, since it (well, most pieces) would be enhancing the stat mods and MAB simultaneously.

[Celeras]

Ive MBed Eyes on Me for 900 in exp before, on processionaires if I remember correctly. And that was with normal exp gear, no memento mori, etc. Im optimistic it can be made viable.

Russta leveling blu now? Lol. Yeah youll be using those swords for a while, theres not much else. Upgrade one at 70 to the other Bastok CP sword (D39 under 220 delay hax), then 72 Dissector if you dont have Ifrits.

[Gulkeeva]

What swords do people recomend using? I know this sort of thing should be obvious to me but all I do is look through the lists and think "ugh". I'm currently dual wielding a pair of Msk.Cmd. Falchions and am unsure when to upgrade next. Leech Scimitars are obviously good but 3mil each is a bit unrealistic and I tossed my Ifrit's Sword a loooooong time ago (and as we all know, that can't be re-quested). I'm seriously not seeing a real upgrade till Dissector and even then, what's good offhand D:

Edit: Just noticed this which I guess trumps one MC Falchion. And it's a fucking Kilij!

I used lv55 sword till got ifrits then dissector, if dual weild dissector main, sub ifirits.

I almsot always was blu/thf so never worried about sub weapons >.>
Leech scimiter is for solo, or offhand with something better mainhand.. since it procs like every 5-10+?

oh and randomly, someone should test out a theory if they got time (I never got around to it, might after finish corsair) try a super low DMG weapon vs VT.. and see if your sill accurate with spells like an onion sword. I always wondered if the DMG rating effected the blue magic accuracy >.>

[FFXIFlux]

It is possible to leave some stuff at your mog house from time to time, unless, of course, you feel you MUST equip Apollo's Staff and a ton of MND/healing gear every time you cast Magic Fruit in an xp PT. Or, you could stop being counter-smart and bring the gear appropriate for the role you intend to play.

It's also possible to go to your mog house and change to BLM. If you have the mog house room to load on on CHR gear for Eyes on Me so you can be a sub-par BLM, more power to you.

Magic Fruit is a bit different than Eyes on Me... it's better than Cure IV which is one of the main spells RDM bring to the table for HNM, and Healing Breeze is better than Curaga II. BLU *IS* one of the best healers in the game, with some restrictions, and bring things to the party that WHM and RDM don't. RDM can nuke too, and probably have a better land rate than BLU, but they don't get a party slot because of their nukes. BLU won't either.

[Celeras]

It is possible to leave some stuff at your mog house from time to time, unless, of course, you feel you MUST equip Apollo's Staff and a ton of MND/healing gear every time you cast Magic Fruit in an xp PT. Or, you could stop being counter-smart and bring the gear appropriate for the role you intend to play.

Magic Fruit is a bit different than Eyes on Me... it's better than Cure IV which is one of the main spells RDM bring to the table for HNM, and Healing Breeze is better than Curaga II. BLU *IS* one of the best healers in the game, with some restrictions, and bring things to the party that WHM and RDM don't. RDM can nuke too, and probably have a better land rate than BLU, but they don't get a party slot because of their nukes. BLU won't either.

Its hard to label a job as 'one of the best healers in the game' when you cant even act on anything outside your own party.

[Hebron]

Has there been any research into the Martial Anelace's TP Bonus effect on BLU spells? Seems to me that it could bee a really nice dmg boost if it procs on BLU self-light SC. Also, I've heard rumors that Dissector's crit bonus only applies to Dissector and not to your offhand if /NIN. Is there any verification on that? It seems to me that Martial main with Dissector off hand could be a nice combo.

[Russta]

Has there been any research into the Martial Anelace's TP Bonus effect on BLU spells? Seems to me that it could bee a really nice dmg boost if it procs on BLU self-light SC.

Fairly certain it was mentioned somewhere in this thread that the Martial Analce bonus doesn't apply to BLU spells (which makes sense to me).

Also, I've heard rumors that Dissector's crit bonus only applies to Dissector and not to your offhand if /NIN. Is there any verification on that?

That is true and it's not just for Dissector, it's for all of them.

[Kaziel]

Has there been any research into the Martial Anelace's TP Bonus effect on BLU spells? Seems to me that it could bee a really nice dmg boost if it procs on BLU self-light SC.

Fairly certain it was mentioned somewhere in this thread that the Martial Analce bonus doesn't apply to BLU spells (which makes sense to me).

Technically it wasn't stated that... what was said here was:

You're not hitting with the weapon, the martial bonus won't help any more than it would help an archery weaponskill. And the difference between a 150 tp savage blade and a 100 tp savage blade or even a 300/200 isn't worth the DOT or accuracy or whatever else you'd give up on a better sword..

That doesn't sound like "I tested it and can confirm it does not." Sounds like "Here's my logic, which may not work b/c TP doesn't apply to any other spell in the game, so it's just speculation"

[Delekii]

Ive MBed Eyes on Me for 900 in exp before, on processionaires if I remember correctly.

It's also possible to go to your mog house and change to BLM. If you have the mog house room to load on on CHR gear for Eyes on Me so you can be a sub-par BLM, more power to you.

If you can MB Eyes on me for 900 damage in EXP gear (read: NO MAB, NO STAFF, NO CHR) at level 64, you are doing BETTER MB damage than BLMs at that level. That is WITHOUT optimal gear. At level 64ish (which is high for processionaires) the best spells to MB darkness with are blizzaga2 (59) and stonega3 (63ish) - neither of which burst for around 1000 damage at level 64, both of which are AoE, and both of which cost SUBSTANTIALLY more MP than Eyes on Me.

Blizzaga2 and Stonega3 at that level will burst for around high 800 and low 900, Blizzaga2 costs 175MP, Stonega3 costs 211MP, and I think eyes on me costs what? 112mp?

[Vobent]

Ive MBed Eyes on Me for 900 in exp before, on processionaires if I remember correctly.

It's also possible to go to your mog house and change to BLM. If you have the mog house room to load on on CHR gear for Eyes on Me so you can be a sub-par BLM, more power to you.

If you can MB Eyes on me for 900 damage in EXP gear (read: NO MAB, NO STAFF, NO CHR) at level 64, you are doing BETTER MB damage than BLMs at that level. That is WITHOUT optimal gear. At level 64ish (which is high for processionaires) the best spells to MB darkness with are blizzaga2 (59) and stonega3 (63ish) - neither of which burst for around 1000 damage at level 64, both of which are AoE, and both of which cost SUBSTANTIALLY more MP than Eyes on Me.

Blizzaga2 and Stonega3 at that level will burst for around high 800 and low 900, Blizzaga2 costs 175MP, Stonega3 costs 211MP, and I think eyes on me costs what? 112mp?

Think about MP% though, BLU don't have a high MP pool. BLM have second highest.

[Lockecole]

It is possible to leave some stuff at your mog house from time to time, unless, of course, you feel you MUST equip Apollo's Staff and a ton of MND/healing gear every time you cast Magic Fruit in an xp PT. Or, you could stop being counter-smart and bring the gear appropriate for the role you intend to play.

Magic Fruit is a bit different than Eyes on Me... it's better than Cure IV which is one of the main spells RDM bring to the table for HNM, and Healing Breeze is better than Curaga II. BLU *IS* one of the best healers in the game, with some restrictions, and bring things to the party that WHM and RDM don't. RDM can nuke too, and probably have a better land rate than BLU, but they don't get a party slot because of their nukes. BLU won't either.

Its hard to label a job as 'one of the best healers in the game' when you cant even act on anything outside your own party.

It's ok, 90% of people who own a cure spell are too stupid to reliably cure outside of their party anyway, so I don't see much of a difference.

[aurik]

Ive MBed Eyes on Me for 900 in exp before, on processionaires if I remember correctly.

It's also possible to go to your mog house and change to BLM. If you have the mog house room to load on on CHR gear for Eyes on Me so you can be a sub-par BLM, more power to you.

If you can MB Eyes on me for 900 damage in EXP gear (read: NO MAB, NO STAFF, NO CHR) at level 64, you are doing BETTER MB damage than BLMs at that level. That is WITHOUT optimal gear. At level 64ish (which is high for processionaires) the best spells to MB darkness with are blizzaga2 (59) and stonega3 (63ish) - neither of which burst for around 1000 damage at level 64, both of which are AoE, and both of which cost SUBSTANTIALLY more MP than Eyes on Me.

Blizzaga2 and Stonega3 at that level will burst for around high 800 and low 900, Blizzaga2 costs 175MP, Stonega3 costs 211MP, and I think eyes on me costs what? 112mp?

Think about MP% though, BLU don't have a high MP pool. BLM have second highest.

MP% is meaningless in XP, it's all about raw MP consumed vs MP recovered.

[Milon_1]

Is this job seriously so interesting that it merits nearly triple the responses of the almighty (and undying mind you) Vin Diesel thread? Shit, show a bit of reverence to your maker guys.

[Lockecole]

Is this job seriously so interesting that it merits nearly triple the responses of the almighty (and undying mind you) Vin Diesel thread? Shit, show a bit of reverence to your maker guys.

Just combine the two...it won't make sense, but it'll be huge. Vin Diesel was a BLU anyway, he'd approve.

[deadzee]

Is this job seriously so interesting that it merits nearly triple the responses of the almighty (and undying mind you) Vin Diesel thread? Shit, show a bit of reverence to your maker guys.

Just combine the two...it won't make sense, but it'll be huge. Vin Diesel was a BLU anyway, he'd approve.

Fergie pwns Vin Diesel: Discuss

[Gulkeeva]

To stay soorta on topic I found something odd with blu diamondhide recently.

I remember people saying diamondhide only absorbs like 181? 187? hp (I'd presume by themselves since it was tested with 1000 needles)

Well I was in tank pt fighting lolhydra and was poking at its feet spamming diamondhide. I noticed the "aoe super gravity" that goes through shadows averaged about 220-280 damge everytime it was used. Diamondhide absorbed atleast 2 of these and the 3rd usualy endedup doing about 60-90.

At first I was thinking it was the bar spell, but being hit by that aoe several times in rage mode it was constant (even when 1 or all 3 heads are out) and dam does it spam like... meikyo shosho mode O_o.

P.S. Blu damage as blu/nin was pretty weak, disseverment hit lower 200's... but hey you atleast survive and can buff tanks! XD the other blu that sj nin, did enough damage from cannonballs to suicide from all the hate, Ipresume it was good damage.

P.S.S. Trembling WS from Hydra sucks, always disabled Reraise -_- Couldn't blink it fast enough or run gravity+ 3-4 WS every 10 seconds.

P.S.S.S. Dissevernment poison lands on Hydra almost constantly, lasts a few min (even when physical sheild is up). No other debuff seemed to land (from bad breath using terra staff and various yigit/INT gear using burst affinity)

[FFXIFlux]

If you can MB Eyes on me for 900 damage in EXP gear (read: NO MAB, NO STAFF, NO CHR) at level 64, you are doing BETTER MB damage than BLMs at that level.

You can't. Level 75 WITH Memento Mori, MAB trait, pluto staff, 86 CHR, 5MAB earring and Eyes does ~630 on tahrongi mandy. Lose Memento Mori, a couple CHR and the staff and your damage is under 500.

Yes CHR or some stat on Errant/Mahatma I was swapping had a huge bonus on it, almost 4 damage per point, so with 140 CHR, novio, ugglephi pendant, pluto, moldavite, memento mori, MAB trait, I would guess a BLU could get mid 900s non-burst with it at 75 on a level 1 rabbit in ronfaure. On darksday you could break 1k. BAM! Dead rabbit.

[FFXIFlux]

To stay soorta on topic I found something odd with blu diamondhide recently.

I remember people saying diamondhide only absorbs like 181? 187? hp (I'd presume by themselves since it was tested with 1000 needles)

Well I was in tank pt fighting lolhydra and was poking at its feet spamming diamondhide. I noticed the "aoe super gravity" that goes through shadows averaged about 220-280 damge everytime it was used. Diamondhide absorbed atleast 2 of these and the 3rd usualy endedup doing about 60-90.

I don't want to wade through all the pages, but the absorbed at 75 was found to be more like 224 I think, but that was before the AF and without blue magic merits, and it's pretty likely it's blue magic skill that determines diamondhide strength. I can't see what little extra skill the AF and what you may have meritted almost tripling diamondhide though.