Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[aurik]

[quote=Celeras]

If you can MB Eyes on me for 900 damage in EXP gear (read: NO MAB, NO STAFF, NO CHR) at level 64, you are doing BETTER MB damage than BLMs at that level.

You can't. Level 75 WITH Memento Mori, MAB trait, pluto staff, 86 CHR, 5MAB earring and Eyes does ~630 on tahrongi mandy. Lose Memento Mori, a couple CHR and the staff and your damage is under 500.

Yes CHR or some stat on Errant/Mahatma I was swapping had a huge bonus on it, almost 4 damage per point, so with 140 CHR, novio, ugglephi pendant, pluto, moldavite, memento mori, MAB trait, I would guess a BLU could get mid 900s non-burst with it at 75 on a level 1 rabbit in ronfaure. On darksday you could break 1k. BAM! Dead rabbit.

So how come Celeras is claiming to have done 900 to IT @ 63ish?

Because they were Magic Bursts? Nice reading comprehension.

So you're saying that you get a 50% (or more) damage enhancement from a Magic Burst with Eyes On Me?

Im saying that I did 800-900 MBing on processionaires while exping.[/quote:21418]

So you're essentially saying Flux's analysis is wrong.

[Celeras]

[quote=aurik][quote=Celeras]

If you can MB Eyes on me for 900 damage in EXP gear (read: NO MAB, NO STAFF, NO CHR) at level 64, you are doing BETTER MB damage than BLMs at that level.

You can't. Level 75 WITH Memento Mori, MAB trait, pluto staff, 86 CHR, 5MAB earring and Eyes does ~630 on tahrongi mandy. Lose Memento Mori, a couple CHR and the staff and your damage is under 500.

Yes CHR or some stat on Errant/Mahatma I was swapping had a huge bonus on it, almost 4 damage per point, so with 140 CHR, novio, ugglephi pendant, pluto, moldavite, memento mori, MAB trait, I would guess a BLU could get mid 900s non-burst with it at 75 on a level 1 rabbit in ronfaure. On darksday you could break 1k. BAM! Dead rabbit.

So how come Celeras is claiming to have done 900 to IT @ 63ish?

Because they were Magic Bursts? Nice reading comprehension.

So you're saying that you get a 50% (or more) damage enhancement from a Magic Burst with Eyes On Me?

Im saying that I did 800-900 MBing on processionaires while exping.[/quote:1d99a]

So you're essentially saying Flux's analysis is wrong.[/quote:1d99a]

No, he assumed I wouldnt use Mori, assumed I wouldnt switch to staff after blowing all my TP with Affinity, and assumed I couldnt spare ONE set point to add in sound blast for the MAB trait.

Essentially what i'm saying is that you're a tard that lacks reading comprehension. If you expect me to delevel myself to 65~ to go exp on processionaires to take a screenshot for you, not gonna happen. But im sure if i were to pull the same screenshot at 75 it will be dismissed immediately since its "not the same thing".

[aurik]

[quote=Celeras][quote=aurik][quote=Celeras]

If you can MB Eyes on me for 900 damage in EXP gear (read: NO MAB, NO STAFF, NO CHR) at level 64, you are doing BETTER MB damage than BLMs at that level.

You can't. Level 75 WITH Memento Mori, MAB trait, pluto staff, 86 CHR, 5MAB earring and Eyes does ~630 on tahrongi mandy. Lose Memento Mori, a couple CHR and the staff and your damage is under 500.

Yes CHR or some stat on Errant/Mahatma I was swapping had a huge bonus on it, almost 4 damage per point, so with 140 CHR, novio, ugglephi pendant, pluto, moldavite, memento mori, MAB trait, I would guess a BLU could get mid 900s non-burst with it at 75 on a level 1 rabbit in ronfaure. On darksday you could break 1k. BAM! Dead rabbit.

So how come Celeras is claiming to have done 900 to IT @ 63ish?

Because they were Magic Bursts? Nice reading comprehension.

So you're saying that you get a 50% (or more) damage enhancement from a Magic Burst with Eyes On Me?

Im saying that I did 800-900 MBing on processionaires while exping.[/quote:ba2fd]

So you're essentially saying Flux's analysis is wrong.[/quote:ba2fd]

No, he assumed I wouldnt use Mori, assumed I wouldnt switch to staff after blowing all my TP with Affinity, and assumed I couldnt spare ONE set point to add in sound blast for the MAB trait.

Essentially what i'm saying is that you're a tard that lacks reading comprehension. If you expect me to delevel myself to 65~ to go exp on processionaires to take a screenshot for you, not gonna happen. But im sure if i were to pull the same screenshot at 75 it will be dismissed immediately since its "not the same thing".[/quote:ba2fd]

Who the fuck pissed in your cheerios this morning? Honestly, take a fucking chill pill. You're the one who needs reading comprehension classes, "tard" before you go around attacking everyone who is supporting your argument.

Now watch your fucking mouth before you put me in a bad mood.

[Celeras]

Done quoting that mess.

For people to support my argument, i'd have to actually be arguing. However the only thing I seem to be doing is fueling your incessant need to boost your post count.

Lets play a game. I keep contributing to this thread, you keep jumping in and taking pot shots at people who reply. Ready? Break.

[aurik]

Done quoting that mess.

For people to support my argument, i'd have to actually be arguing. However the only thing I seem to be doing is fueling your incessant need to boost your post count.

Lets play a game. I keep contributing to this thread, you keep jumping in and taking pot shots at people who reply. Ready? Break.

See your problem here is that you think you're smart. Stop that.

There seems to be a bit of a discrepancy.

Reading comprehension for the win

Flux is says 900 dmg Eyes in XP to be bullshit -- he's saying that even under optimal conditions Eyes doesn't go much over 600 damage naturally.

You say 900 dmg Eyes in XP is possible, and that you've done it.

And I am asking "well, which is it?" Is Flux's analysis wrong? Is your claim bullshit? Is there a 50% MB dmg bonus for this spell? Which is it, please enlighten me.

[Celeras]

And I am asking "well, which is it?" Is Flux's analysis wrong? Is your claim bullshit? Is there a 50% MB dmg bonus for this spell? Which is it, please enlighten me.

So you're essentially saying Flux's analysis is wrong.

No, he assumed I wouldnt use Mori, assumed I wouldnt switch to staff after blowing all my TP with Affinity, and assumed I couldnt spare ONE set point to add in sound blast for the MAB trait.

Reading comprehension for the win

Going to work, bye.

[aurik]

And I am asking "well, which is it?" Is Flux's analysis wrong? Is your claim bullshit? Is there a 50% MB dmg bonus for this spell? Which is it, please enlighten me.

So you're essentially saying Flux's analysis is wrong.

No, he assumed I wouldnt use Mori, assumed I wouldnt switch to staff after blowing all my TP with Affinity, and assumed I couldnt spare ONE set point to add in sound blast for the MAB trait.

Reading comprehension for the win

Going to work, bye.

So you're saying that Flux's analysis is wrong? Because that's what you seem to be saying...

[FFXIFlux]

So you're essentially saying Flux's analysis is wrong.

No, he assumed I wouldnt use Mori, assumed I wouldnt switch to staff after blowing all my TP with Affinity, and assumed I couldnt spare ONE set point to add in sound blast for the MAB trait.

I didn't assume you weren't using Mori or staff.

Ive MBed Eyes on Me for 900 in exp before, on processionaires if I remember correctly. And that was with normal exp gear, no memento mori, etc. Im optimistic it can be made viable.

"Normal exp gear" at 65 for BLU doesn't include +CHR items. You were probably remembering wrong, it's as simple as that. Without Memento Mori and +CHR gear it's really unlikely to get that much damage with EOM even with staff and MAB trait.

If you jump through hoops with memento mori and chain affinity and macroing in CHR and MAB gear I'd estimate you could land EOM on HNM mobs that don't have high resistance for maybe 1k burst damage. BLM will burst for more, they'll land more often, and they won't have to try very hard at all. A BLU's time might be better spent trying to stick Enervation at the right time so chain and burst damage land for more.

[Celeras]

Ive MBed Eyes on Me for 900 in exp before, on processionaires if I remember correctly. And that was with normal exp gear, no memento mori, etc. Im optimistic it can be made viable.

"Normal exp gear" at 65 for BLU doesn't include +CHR items. You were probably remembering wrong, it's as simple as that. Without Memento Mori and +CHR gear it's really unlikely to get that much damage with EOM even with staff and MAB trait.

If you jump through hoops with memento mori and chain affinity and macroing in CHR and MAB gear I'd estimate you could land EOM on HNM mobs that don't have high resistance for maybe 1k burst damage. BLM will burst for more, they'll land more often, and they won't have to try very hard at all. A BLU's time might be better spent trying to stick Enervation at the right time so chain and burst damage land for more.

Yeah, I was never trying to chalk it up to viability over other things. Someone showed firespit damage, I mentioned Eyes on Me as a decent burst in exp. S'all she wrote.

Although I secretly feel that Eyes on Me magic bursting is the key to killing AV in 10 minutes. ELEMENTALWEAKNESS

[Celeras]

So yeah, Hard damage caps are gay.

Dimensional Death, 50% Str, Undead spell, Blunt spell. Aura pots, weak to blunt, weak to undead.

CASA 100% tp: 1000-1200
CASA 200% tp: 1350, always
CASA 300% tp: 1350, always

On the dot damage, everytime.

CASA 300% tp with an additional 9 str(all i could muster at the time): 1393

On the dot.

I always wondered why, in my wild rabbit testings, V.cleave would do practically the same at 300% as 100%. Not enough str, and the damage capped out.

And if youre interested, Azure Lore + CASA 300% in the original setup did 1175. My money is on it removing the Monster Correlation bonus, cos SE would be just stupid enough to overlook that. Or it setting spells to a fixed TP %, lower then 300 ;x

[Gulkeeva]

So yeah, Hard damage caps are gay.

Dimensional Death, 50% Str, Undead spell, Blunt spell. Aura pots, weak to blunt, weak to undead.

CASA 100% tp: 1000-1200
CASA 200% tp: 1350, always
CASA 300% tp: 1350, always

On the dot damage, everytime.

CASA 300% tp with an additional 9 str(all i could muster at the time): 1393

On the dot.

I always wondered why, in my wild rabbit testings, V.cleave would do practically the same at 300% as 100%. Not enough str, and the damage capped out.

And if youre interested, Azure Lore + CASA 300% in the original setup did 1175. My money is on it removing the Monster Correlation bonus, cos SE would be just stupid enough to overlook that. Or it setting spells to a fixed TP %, lower then 300 ;x

Here's your answer to verticle cleave and Death scissors

http://neko-sentai.com/images/BlumageNFO.htm

Although about verticle cleave I'm thinking it should be 3.00 at 100%TP+ instead of 0% but since I don't know the modifier for 0% I can't really say.. its soorta noticable the damage difference from 0% and 100%

As for death scissors it can do over 2000, it just depends on your lvl, the mob lvl etc.

[FFXIFlux]

http://neko-sentai.com/images/BlumageNFO.htm

DEF isn't a modifier to Cannonball?

[Celeras]

So yeah, Hard damage caps are gay.

Dimensional Death, 50% Str, Undead spell, Blunt spell. Aura pots, weak to blunt, weak to undead.

CASA 100% tp: 1000-1200
CASA 200% tp: 1350, always
CASA 300% tp: 1350, always

On the dot damage, everytime.

CASA 300% tp with an additional 9 str(all i could muster at the time): 1393

On the dot.

I always wondered why, in my wild rabbit testings, V.cleave would do practically the same at 300% as 100%. Not enough str, and the damage capped out.

And if youre interested, Azure Lore + CASA 300% in the original setup did 1175. My money is on it removing the Monster Correlation bonus, cos SE would be just stupid enough to overlook that. Or it setting spells to a fixed TP %, lower then 300 ;x

Here's your answer to verticle cleave and Death scissors

http://neko-sentai.com/images/BlumageNFO.htm

Although about verticle cleave I'm thinking it should be 3.00 at 100%TP+ instead of 0% but since I don't know the modifier for 0% I can't really say.. its soorta noticable the damage difference from 0% and 100%

As for death scissors it can do over 2000, it just depends on your lvl, the mob lvl etc.

One could've made the same assumption about Dimensional death in my testing.

But you boost the damage enough with attack type+correlation weaknesses, and you see there is a capped ceiling for all the spells based on your stats.

I plan on testing V.Cleave in the same fashion as my original testing, only with Str Songs and Errant Gear to make the gap even greater. Im convinced that the only reason you dont see increased damage from 100%->300% is because you dont have the stats to let it do so.

[Russta]

http://neko-sentai.com/images/BlumageNFO.htm

DEF isn't a modifier to Cannonball?

Gulkeeva's page is just a translation of this which, for some reason, doesn't list DEF as a modifier.

I think we all know it is though.

[Gulkeeva]

http://neko-sentai.com/images/BlumageNFO.htm

DEF isn't a modifier to Cannonball?

Gulkeeva's page is just a translation of this which, for some reason, doesn't list DEF as a modifier.

I think we all know it is though.

Def is listed as a modifier
70　Cannonball 　　　1.75　 ? ? - 1 STR_50 VIT_50　Blunt　　 ？　　 D　　 Fusion　

D For "defense" I belive (its under the "TP" section on the list
Don't ask me why some other spells have supposidly a "D" also, I didn't write it some JP guy did

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

http://neko-sentai.com/images/BlumageNFO.htm

DEF isn't a modifier to Cannonball?

Gulkeeva's page is just a translation of this which, for some reason, doesn't list DEF as a modifier.

I think we all know it is though.

Def is listed as a modifier
70　Cannonball 　　　1.75　 ? ? - 1 STR_50 VIT_50　Blunt　　 ？　　 D　　 Fusion　

D For "defense" I belive (its under the "TP" section on the list
Don't ask me why some other spells have supposidly a "D" also, I didn't write it some JP guy did

D is for damage under what TP increases.

[Russta]

So after going through the majority of Blue Mage spells for my friend once and now doing it for myself, Magus Bazubands feel like that might as well have the word "placebo" written on them.

1/14 Voracious Trunk.
1/7 Bad Breath.
1/6 Feather Barrier.
1/10 Death Scissors.
1/8 Radiant Breath.
1/6 Magic Fruit.

And then I've gone 1/1 on Infrasonics, Frypan, Maelstrom, Dimensional Death and Hydro shot.

How they up your learning rate I have no idea, it all just seems as random as ever.

[aurik]

So after going through the majority of Blue Mage spells for my friend once and now doing it for myself, Magus Bazubands feel like that might as well have the word "placebo" written on them.

1/14 Voracious Trunk.
1/7 Bad Breath.
1/6 Feather Barrier.
1/10 Death Scissors.
1/8 Radiant Breath.
1/6 Magic Fruit.

And then I've gone 1/1 on Infrasonics, Frypan, Maelstrom, Dimensional Death and Hydro shot.

How they up your learning rate I have no idea, it all just seems as random as ever.

They might modify the max distance your blue skill can be from the spell required level?

[FFXIFlux]

So after going through the majority of Blue Mage spells for my friend once and now doing it for myself, Magus Bazubands feel like that might as well have the word "placebo" written on them.

1/14 Voracious Trunk.

I think I was like 1 for 20+ before bands.

1/7 Bad Breath.

Killed in rollenberry for 3ish hours, finally got it in like 2 kills when I went to Elshimo lowlands.

1/6 Feather Barrier.

Like... 1/10 maybe.

1/10 Death Scissors.

Maybe 1/30, AEed a lot of low level scorps in shakrami.

1/8 Radiant Breath.

1/a lot

1/6 Magic Fruit.

One of my hardest ones to get. I had several stacks of pebbles when I was done. It was fucking brutal getting that one.

And then I've gone 1/1 on Infrasonics, Frypan, Maelstrom, Dimensional Death and Hydro shot.

How they up your learning rate I have no idea, it all just seems as random as ever.

But on the other side, I got most of my sea spells first try while a friend with bands took a lot longer.

[Russta]

They might modify the max distance your blue skill can be from the spell required level?

I thought it could be that too but they failed the test I mentally set up for them. Any Blue Mage can attest to the fact it is impossible to learn Feather Tickle (64) before 58 as that's the level my friend got it before Blue Mage AF existed as well as someone else I know. I went from 54 to 58 in a single five hour party on Lesser Colibri with the gloves on the entire time (56 and onwards of course) and learned it from the first time I saw it done at 58.