Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Celeras]

This is ffxi Russta.

+1%

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

This is ffxi Russta.

+1%

Honestly, a +25% enhancement on a low rate might not be noticable and you can't really get a large enough sample size to get solid data, so you just have to assume its helpful.

[Not Kuno]

My results were like

1/1 Voracious Trunk.
1/3 Bad Breath.
1/10 Feather Barrier.
1/2 Death Scissors.
1/2 Radiant Breath.
1/2 Magic Fruit.

All pre-gloves, btw. Although for almost all of those I was either 1 lvl below, at the level or higher.

[Mertron]

My two "wtf" spells to learn were 1/26 frenetic rip and 1/56 on spinal fucking cleave ftfl. All of this is pre-gloves.

1/7 Voracious Trunk
1/5 Bad Breath
1/1 Feather Barrier
1/11 Death Scissors
1/1 Radiant Breath
1/4 Magic Fruit

Post gloves I already had most spells aside from sea, with them I went:

1/2 Vertical Cleave
1/2 Disseverment
1/4 Temporal Shift
1/2 Saline Coat
1/1 Actinic Burst
1/1 Sandspray
1/3 Ram Charge

[Celeras]

Yes yes, learning spells suck and the gloves probably dont help much. Now, correct me if im wrong, for /thf situations:

SA only: V.Cleave > Death Scissors > Cannonball
CASA: V.Cleave >= Cannonball > Death Scissors
CASA 100%: Death Scissors > Cannonball >= V.Cleave
CASA 300%: Death Scissors > Cannonball > V.Cleave

Dont know which to useeeeeeeee for /thf. V.Cleave does the most damage with SA only, but when you throw CASA in, Cannonball jumps up to do comparable damage. On colibri, pretty much a consistant 1000-1200~ for both of them. With TP though, Cleave fades and its damage remains basically the same, whereas cannonball gets better and scissors gets a huge boost.

Im not really concerned about 300% tp damage, since when do you really have 300% tp other than when trying to pad your numbers? SA only cannonball is garbage, tops out at about 600-700 on colibri, which would be cleaves low. Cannonball needs CA/TP to be decent, but with CA/TP Death Scissors can rock it.

Eliminate Cannonball unless you need the range. Sup Tiamat.

With TP, Death Scissors will do more. But in a WS->CASA->Spell situation, V.Cleave will win for overall damage because it outdamages Death Scissors without tp. Will the WS-CASA->Cleave do more then the CASA 100% Death Scissors? Most likely. V.Cleave alone can also close/start darkness, i'm looking at you turtle.

Eliminate Death Scissors unless youre sleeping/building TP outside of alliance for sub-ins.

= V.Cleave in most practical /thf situations, ignoring special correlation/weakness oriented strategys?

[Priran]

I went 1/1 on Voracious Trunk, Tail Slap, Hysteric Barrage, Spinal Cleave, and Warm-Up with gloves.

[Popsiclestick]

Recent spells
1/5 Hysterica Barrage
0/6 Tail Slap
1/4 Cannonball
1/5 Temporal Shift

[Gulkeeva]

[quote="Celeras"]
SA only: V.Cleave > Death Scissors > Cannonball
CASA: V.Cleave >= Cannonball > Death Scissors
CASA 100%: Death Scissors > Cannonball >= V.Cleave
CASA 300%: Death Scissors > Cannonball > V.Cleave
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On VT/IT Mobs for me its
0%Vcleave constant 700-900 near 0% TP on puk 600-800 mamool
100%TPish Vcleave puk 1200~1700, mamool 900~1500
taco would of probably pushed out higher numbers but using tacos in exp pt and horribly missing nin and thf mamool would suck, or skoffins.
Deaths scissors damage on VT/IT+ at these lvl's falls pretty low without massive TP.

SA: V.Cleave>Cannonball>Death Scissors
CASA:V.Cleave>Cannonball>Deathscissors
CASA 100%:V.Cleave>Deathscissors>Cannonball
CASA 300%:Cannonball<>Vcleave>Cannonball

I'm going with cannonball over vlceave at 300% since it can go pretty high, Vcleave for me averages 1600ish highs, cannonball will probably be near that at 300%, death scissors won't reach that unless its on like the blob things at caedemire

for HNM at any TP range
taco's pretty much blu/thf to atleast hit it
0%TP~300%TP sa+ca:Cannonball > Vcleave -----------------------> Death scissors
sa:Vcleave><cannonball-------------------------------> death scissors

[Celeras]

SA only: V.Cleave > Death Scissors > Cannonball
CASA: V.Cleave >= Cannonball > Death Scissors
CASA 100%: Death Scissors > Cannonball >= V.Cleave
CASA 300%: Death Scissors > Cannonball > V.Cleave

On VT/IT Mobs for me its
0%Vcleave constant 700-900 near 0% TP on puk 600-800 mamool
100%TPish Vcleave puk 1200~1700, mamool 900~1500
taco would of probably pushed out higher numbers but using tacos in exp pt and horribly missing nin and thf mamool would suck, or skoffins.
Deaths scissors damage on VT/IT+ at these lvl's falls pretty low without massive TP.

SA: V.Cleave>Cannonball>Death Scissors
CASA:V.Cleave>Cannonball>Deathscissors
CASA 100%:V.Cleave>Deathscissors>Cannonball
CASA 300%:Cannonball<>Vcleave>Cannonball

I'm going with cannonball over vlceave at 300% since it can go pretty high, Vcleave for me averages 1600ish highs, cannonball will probably be near that at 300%, death scissors won't reach that unless its on like the blob things at caedemire

for HNM at any TP range
taco's pretty much blu/thf to atleast hit it
0%TP~300%TP sa+ca:Cannonball > Vcleave -----------------------> Death scissors
sa:Vcleave><cannonball-------------------------------> death scissors

What am i missing, why would you use tacos to boost V.Cleave damage >.>;

[Gulkeeva]

SA only: V.Cleave > Death Scissors > Cannonball
CASA: V.Cleave >= Cannonball > Death Scissors
CASA 100%: Death Scissors > Cannonball >= V.Cleave
CASA 300%: Death Scissors > Cannonball > V.Cleave

On VT/IT Mobs for me its
0%Vcleave constant 700-900 near 0% TP on puk 600-800 mamool
100%TPish Vcleave puk 1200~1700, mamool 900~1500
taco would of probably pushed out higher numbers but using tacos in exp pt and horribly missing nin and thf mamool would suck, or skoffins.
Deaths scissors damage on VT/IT+ at these lvl's falls pretty low without massive TP.

SA: V.Cleave>Cannonball>Death Scissors
CASA:V.Cleave>Cannonball>Deathscissors
CASA 100%:V.Cleave>Deathscissors>Cannonball
CASA 300%:Cannonball<>Vcleave>Cannonball

I'm going with cannonball over vlceave at 300% since it can go pretty high, Vcleave for me averages 1600ish highs, cannonball will probably be near that at 300%, death scissors won't reach that unless its on like the blob things at caedemire

for HNM at any TP range
taco's pretty much blu/thf to atleast hit it
0%TP~300%TP sa+ca:Cannonball > Vcleave -----------------------> Death scissors
sa:Vcleave><cannonball-------------------------------> death scissors

What am i missing, why would you use tacos to boost V.Cleave damage >.>;

notice the
0%TP~300%TP sa+ca:Cannonball > Vcleave -----------------------> Death scissors
as in "using tacos" cannonball will do the most damage sa+ca

with just sa, verticle cleave and cannonball do near same damage.

tav taco does nothing for vcleave, it only helps cannonball since cannonball has a much higher potential to do damage then vcleave on HNM I used it instead, since accuracy dosne't matter to much... you'll either miss, hit 0's.. and if SA misses your damage will suck or you'll just miss anyway.

[Celeras]

S'what i thought you meant. Yeah tacos help cannonball alot, and yeah cannonball will be better than cleave if you use it. But why would I want to eat tacos on anything other than tiamat ;x

[Not Kuno]

In other horrible news, I hit 75 blu yesterday. Shower me with prasies!

Also, why the fuck is V.Cleave so random? Sometimes with low TP does awesome damage sometimes with more TP it does shitty ass damage.

[Celeras]

In other horrible news, I hit 75 blu yesterday. Shower me with prasies!

Also, why the fuck is V.Cleave so random? Sometimes with low TP does awesome damage sometimes with more TP it does shitty ass damage.

Its the most consistant spell you have, it just does the same damage at 300 as 100.

[Gulkeeva]

In other horrible news, I hit 75 blu yesterday. Shower me with prasies!

Also, why the fuck is V.Cleave so random? Sometimes with low TP does awesome damage sometimes with more TP it does shitty ass damage.

Are you sj'ing thf or nin? If nin it'll be very random, SJ thf will almsot be constant #'s if not always within 100-200 damage of itself at 100%TPish+

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Well, I never knew opo-opos had so many damn claw and scratch moves Learning the hard way ftl

[Gulkeeva]

Well, I never knew opo-opos had so many damn claw and scratch moves Learning the hard way ftl

They can dispel food too ;;

Be kinda interesting to use there dispel in ballista whenever SE gives us that since its already in the dats following the other blu spells XD

[Russta]

Was any testing done on BLU's conserve MP? I'll hit 66 tomorrow and I'm wondering if it'll rival auto-refresh like the good ol' /BLM-or-/SMN argument.

Anyway;

1/2 Hysteric Barrage
1/2 Diamondhide
1/5 Enervation
1/1 Sandspray
1/2 Yawn

Though I went 0/5 on Frost Breath, just getting Diamondhide and Hysteric Barrage so easy makes me want to retract my previous statements about the gloves.

[Koyangi]

I love BLU, but I'm lvling it very slow for some reason, but back to the current thing at hand, I go like 1/3 on Heat Breath at 65, but I'm still like 0/14 on 1000 Needles! (71 spell vs a 62 spell wtf!)

yeah yeah why dont I have 1000 needles since 62, well its because I heard it sucked, mainly in the acc dept. but to be a competletionist, I was trying to knock out HB+1000N in 1 shot.

[Celeras]

Was any testing done on BLU's conserve MP? I'll hit 66 tomorrow and I'm wondering if it'll rival auto-refresh like the good ol' /BLM-or-/SMN argument.

Anyway;

1/2 Hysteric Barrage
1/2 Diamondhide
1/5 Enervation
1/1 Sandspray
1/2 Yawn

Though I went 0/5 on Frost Breath, just getting Diamondhide and Hysteric Barrage so easy makes me want to retract my previous statements about the gloves.

Youll be using firespit in most situations anyway for the Str+3, if you have room for the 2 points needed to put on chaotic eye, its definately worth it. Items that boost Conserve MP suck, but gaining the trait naturally when you wouldnt otherwise have it is something not to be overlooked.

Its always in for me along with auto-refresh, magic fruit, refueling, and cocoon. Everything else is added after depending on the situation.

[DragonCloud64]

So after going through the majority of Blue Mage spells for my friend once and now doing it for myself, Magus Bazubands feel like that might as well have the word "placebo" written on them.

1/14 Voracious Trunk.
1/7 Bad Breath.
1/6 Feather Barrier.
1/10 Death Scissors.
1/8 Radiant Breath.
1/6 Magic Fruit.

And then I've gone 1/1 on Infrasonics, Frypan, Maelstrom, Dimensional Death and Hydro shot.

How they up your learning rate I have no idea, it all just seems as random as ever.

Unluckily for me i went throught the trouble of learning every last spell without those lovely AF hands D: And from what it looks like it's still random lol, you always come across that one gay spell.


1/5 Voracious Trunk.
1/25~ Bad Breath.
1/2 Feather Barrier.
1/1 Death Scissors.
1/2 Radiant Breath.
1/5 Magic Fruit.