AV: Nobody Cares About Him Anymore...

[Brennon]

When my shell focused on sky, we farmed 2-3 kirin pops a week, getting great gear for lots of people the whole time, be it kirin gear, be it the lesser god drops, or the even occasional neato bandito weapon from one of the lesser NMs. (indra katars USED to be teh sechs, remember?)

Since my shell has focused more on sea, we farmed *one* JoL pop set in about 6 months. Along with the trash jailer weapons(latent effect: inventor -1), and *maybe* 5 torques. I don't even think we've gotten 5 torques actually. I don't think we've gotten any of those capes either. (unless somehow we got one that I wasn't there for and i didn't hear about it, which is possible)

We're now getting ready to pop JoL soon, now that we have a pop set, and I'm excited to be able to fight it, but still, looking back, was it worth it? No, it wasn't.

I'm going to bite my tongue.

I'd be there more if I could be Shue, but if most stuff is scheduled when I'm working, that doesnt give me much choice. And that doesn't make what I say less valid, really.

[Lylie]

The novelty of ToAU is going to wear off soon for end game linkshells.

You forget ToAU isn't finished yet. And if its that good after one week, I can't imagine what it will be with all the Jobs updates, Chocobo race, new merit, etc.

So except if they totally change Sea, its a dead place forever.

[Demetrios]

The novelty of ToAU is going to wear off soon for end game linkshells.

You forget ToAU isn't finished yet. And if its that good after one week, I can't imagine what it will be with all the Jobs updates, Chocobo race, new merit, etc.

So except if they totally change Sea, its a dead place forever.

The only change that would negate sea for a prolonged period of time would be the implementation of a new sea/sky zone. It took them over a year for that to happen with CoP. I expect about the same wait for ToAU.

Maybe you're speaking for the general population. I'm talking specifically about end game HNMLSes. Chocobo racing will be something you do on the side, much like leveling your NPC. Merit expansion is simply a continuation of the status quo. Job updates aren't going to make BLMs stop wanting 7% MAB, WHMs wanting -7 enmity, or RDMs wanting +8 magic accuracy.

[Septimus]

The novelty of ToAU is going to wear off soon for end game linkshells.

You forget ToAU isn't finished yet. And if its that good after one week, I can't imagine what it will be with all the Jobs updates, Chocobo race, new merit, etc.

So except if they totally change Sea, its a dead place forever.

The only change that would negate sea for a prolonged period of time would be the implementation of a new sea/sky zone. It took them over a year for that to happen with CoP. I expect about the same wait for ToAU.

Maybe you're speaking for the general population. I'm talking specifically about end game HNMLSes. Chocobo racing will be something you do on the side, much like leveling your NPC. Merit expansion is simply a continuation of the status quo. Job updates aren't going to make BLMs stop wanting 7% MAB, WHMs wanting -7 enmity, or RDMs wanting +8 magic accuracy.

And wanting those items isn't going to make the drop rate for jailer pop items magically jump over 50%.

[Demetrios]

And wanting those items isn't going to make the drop rate for jailer pop items magically jump over 50%.

The desire is nevertheless there. People will return to sea when they realize that at the moment there is a lack of end game HNMLS activites in ToAU. Right now everyone is engrossed in EXP, questing, assault, besiege, etc. At the moment for a HNMLS in ToAU all you can do is fight Cerberus, which takes all of an hour to kill. Cerberus alone isn't enough end game content from ToAU to keep HNMLSes busy until the next update.

[Xavier]

BLAHBALBHALBAHALBHA COP OWNS BLAHBALBAHLBHALBAHLBLAHBLAH

What the fuck are you smoking? There are some cocks worth sucking. CoP doesn't even have a cock to suck. Its a vagina. A pussy of an expansion. And before someone goes, "but hey, I like pussy, its good to me, its warm like apple pie," this isn't a good pussy. Its that disgusting hooker on a corner pussy that lures you in but just leaves you with HIV in the morning and your wallet stolen.

Nobody can return to Sea when nobody went in the first place.

[Septimus]

And wanting those items isn't going to make the drop rate for jailer pop items magically jump over 50%.

The desire is nevertheless there. People will return to sea when they realize that at the moment there is a lack of end game HNMLS activites in ToAU. Right now everyone is engrossed in EXP, questing, assault, besiege, etc. At the moment for your a HNMLS in ToAU all you can do is fight Cerberus, which takes all of an hour to kill. Cerberus alone isn't enough end game content from ToAU to keep HNMLSes busy until the next update.

As far as I could tell, many linkshells abandoned sea long before ToAU came out. For as much as I want a Fortitude Torque, Merciful Cape, and Altruistic Cape- I do not want to spend weeks in sea and get absolutely nothing out of it, and I do not want to ask the people in my linkshell to go because I do not hate them.

Sea is the pinnacle of masochism, sure there is some pleasure involved, but you have to go through a whole lot of pain to get to it.

[Takeno]

And wanting those items isn't going to make the drop rate for jailer pop items magically jump over 50%.

The desire is nevertheless there. People will return to sea when they realize that at the moment there is a lack of end game HNMLS activites in ToAU. Right now everyone is engrossed in EXP, questing, assault, besiege, etc. At the moment for your a HNMLS in ToAU all you can do is fight Cerberus, which takes all of an hour to kill. Cerberus alone isn't enough end game content from ToAU to keep HNMLSes busy until the next update.

As far as I could tell, many linkshells abandoned sea long before ToAU came out. For as much as I want a Fortitude Torque, Merciful Cape, and Altruistic Cape- I do not want to spend weeks in sea and get absolutely nothing out of it, and I do not want to ask the people in my linkshell to go because I do not hate them.

Sea is the pinnacle of masochism, sure there is some pleasure involved, but you have to go through a whole lot of pain to get to it.

Pretty much like gay people. :wink:

[Lockecole]

BLAHBALBHALBAHALBHA COP OWNS BLAHBALBAHLBHALBAHLBLAHBLAH

What the fuck are you smoking? There are some cocks worth sucking. CoP doesn't even have a cock to suck. Its a vagina. A pussy of an expansion. And before someone goes, "but hey, I like pussy, its good to me, its warm like apple pie," this isn't a good pussy. Its that disgusting hooker on a corner pussy that lures you in but just leaves you with HIV in the morning and your wallet stolen.

Nobody can return to Sea when nobody went in the first place.

People THRIVE on competition. People camp Fafnir so fervently because the competition is there, others are getting the gear, so people feel the need to get it also.

Took me almost 2 years to get my E.Body. How's that for rewards?
I owned a Hauberk +1 for a LOOOONG ass time. 3ACC/ATT 4STR/DEX was worth 2 years of camping? Kings dont look so good when you look at em like that. Not everyone has a good reward ratio with kings.

Edit: As far as Dynamis. I own almost 3 sets of full AF2. (Missing NIN Hands) and I dont use a single piece, in any realistic way. Also spent 2 years in Dynamis...at the most I could have come out with Treasure Hunter +1 for a job I NEVER play, and would hate to come to camps as.

I guess everyone forgets the fact that the only thing I cared about in Dynamis was the fights, the experiencing new things, killing Weapons, killing Dynamis Lord. NOT THE GEAR. Guess what. When sea is done and over with, all I'll care about is how much fun Jailer fights were, how exciting it was to kill Ix'Aerns once they popped. How crazy Prudence was, and the gamble of eating a Burst II inbetween Ichi casts.

Sea is an experience, at times a shitty one, but one worth experiencing nonetheless. Sure as hell better then Fafnir #345.

[Takeno]

BLAHBALBHALBAHALBHA COP OWNS BLAHBALBAHLBHALBAHLBLAHBLAH

What the fuck are you smoking? There are some cocks worth sucking. CoP doesn't even have a cock to suck. Its a vagina. A pussy of an expansion. And before someone goes, "but hey, I like pussy, its good to me, its warm like apple pie," this isn't a good pussy. Its that disgusting hooker on a corner pussy that lures you in but just leaves you with HIV in the morning and your wallet stolen.

Nobody can return to Sea when nobody went in the first place.

People THRIVE on competition. People camp Fafnir so fervently because the competition is there, others are getting the gear, so people feel the need to get it also.

Took me almost 2 years to get my E.Body. How's that for rewards?
I owned a Hauberk +1 for a LOOOONG ass time. 3ACC/ATT 4STR/DEX was worth 2 years of camping? Kings dont look so good when you look at em like that. Not everyone has a good reward ratio with kings.

King rewards are the best of the best, sea stuff is ok but not a "OMGIGOTTAHAVEDATSHIZZLEORIDIEZ" kind stuff.

[Machazareel]

Yeah, but you can't forumwhore when you're farming sea. Doing that during a King camp is np ;oa

[aurik]

In the meantime you got a ton of other abjs and sellable items....in sea, the "meantime" is filled with luminian tissue and luminion chips.

[Lbelle]

What the fuck are you smoking? There are some cocks worth sucking. CoP doesn't even have a cock to suck. Its a vagina. A pussy of an expansion. And before someone goes, "but hey, I like pussy, its good to me, its warm like apple pie," this isn't a good pussy. Its that disgusting hooker on a corner pussy that lures you in but just leaves you with HIV in the morning and your wallet stolen.

Nobody can return to Sea when nobody went in the first place.

God that made me laugh so hard. But on a more serious note, I totally agree. CoP, imo, didn't really bring much of anything new to the table in the way TOAU did in the first what, week?

Bear in mind this is coming from someone that doesn't even have the expansion, but I've heard nothing but amazing things about it. Whereas COP all I heard, and still hear, is wah wah wah.

p.s. I hate sea.

[BRP]

I just want it to be made clear. There are end-game activities that doesn't involve end-game LSes. Cerebus isn't the only end-game activitiy. It is the only end-game LS activity.

[Siatdiat]

BRP, maybe you should go hang out with Tidusin who also cant read the front page title

edit: no offense dude ;o

[Not Kuno]

For anyone that likes Sea I have a more exciting game for you: Foot Stab!

What you need:
Sharpened Knife
Foot

How to play:
Stab yourself in the foot. Make sure to put all your energy into it and keep going. Stab. Stab. Stab. This is much like sea. You put all this work into sea and walk out with nothing, whereas with stabbing your foot you probably wont walk at all. Who needs to have fun when you can do something so painful and non-rewarding?

[Siatdiat]

Hardly proves a point. We could go out and kill AV again 'legit' and get another sash, you people would still complain about the sand in your vag because sea actually takes work.

Says the person that got the sash. I think if anything your pussy hurts b/c you know your ls has wasted alot of time in Sea and your mad b/c you think we should all give you lots of credit for dealing with the torture? In all the time you have been in Sea there is alot of stuff you have only gotten 1 of, 1. I guess the drop rate is why alot of this shit isnt rare/ex, your supposed to share it with each other.

[Flarega]

The overriding reason why sea sucks:

It did not reward characters for the amount of effort put into fighting these monsters.

I'll use sky to compare to sea.

Sky introduced tons of pieces of new gear that today are still irreplaceable by any new gear that is introduced. Sea has a few, but most of them come from a boss that is so rediculously hard to pop and kill that once you beat it, you end up asking yourself, "THATS ALL WE GET!?"

If a tier two sky god that is killed on a daily basis drops +15 DEX +5% haste pants, then AV should drop body armor that has the description, "Occasionally causes total destruction".

In sea the drops don't reflect the difficulty of the fights like sky and land HNM do. Like Lockecole, I've enjoyed sea battles myself, but it gets old after your 9th Jailer of Fortitude that doesn't drop anything but some weapon no one wants.

[Demetrios]

I just want it to be made clear. There are end-game activities that doesn't involve end-game LSes. Cerebus isn't the only end-game activitiy. It is the only end-game LS activity.

And BG forums is an end game LS community >_>;

Anyway, A lot of people like to exaggerate the work it takes to get a Sea pop set. Then a lot of people who don't farm sea quote those figures as fact. Brennon said it took his/her LS 6 months to get the three virtues for JoL. I call bullshit on that. I've farmed three JoL sets. The first took about two months, the last two took 1-2 weeks each. Yeah it sucks, yeah drop rates should be increased, but it's something fucking new to do. As Lockecole has said, what did you have more fun doing, killing JoL for the second time or that botted Fafnir for the 247th?

[Takeno]

Hardly proves a point. We could go out and kill AV again 'legit' and get another sash, you people would still complain about the sand in your vag because sea actually takes work.

Says the person that got the sash. I think if anything your pussy hurts b/c you know your ls has wasted alot of time in Sea and your mad b/c you think we should all give you lots of credit for dealing with the torture? In all the time you have been in Sea there is alot of stuff you have only gotten 1 of, 1. I guess the drop rate is why alot of this shit isnt rare/ex, your supposed to share it with each other.

ROFLMAO did that guy just say "share"? go watch winnie the pooh or something, FFXI is filled with assholes who dont say shit irl because they are "rl noobs" but in the game they think they are tough titties.