AV: Nobody Cares About Him Anymore...

[Xavier]

Going 0/? on Prudence virtue drops and 0/2 on Justice while being 2/2 on Hope really is not cool.. wtf is that shit lol... Tier 2 jailers should be 100% on virtues and weapons.. just torques with rare drops I guess.... but no materials that you can sell really makes it suck even more. Small ass skimpy loot pools that are directed at best towards 2 to 3 jobs...

CoP Wyrms have same problems with loot pools... just not enough shit for more than 2 jobs... and some are just worthless drops and not even sidegrades.

GO KILL VRTRA

SELL BARD JSE BODY

SELL WYRM HORN

SELL THE MIS SYNTH ITEM(s)

MAKE 40 MILLION OR MORE GIL PER KILL

OMFG FGGIDOF:JO:IEWFJJJJJJJJJjjjjjaWORTHLESSSSSSS WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Not everyone cares about gil, go back to China.

[Tom Chambers]

No? I hear alot of crying about Jailers not having money drops.

[FFXIFlux]

Nynja, wow, you guys have only gotten 9 torques over the course of all that time?

We got something like 5 torques that I knew of within a month (2 temp, 2 fort, 1 faith). But we haven't been back there in a while, and who knows if we ever will! Motivation certainly drops when you don't have Map-like success.

No, Nynja is just making shit up and has no idea what he's talking about, he should never be listened to. I don't know how many capes/torques we've gotten but I count least 2 enfeebling, 1 elemental and 3 or 4 summoning capes and I think a lot more than 9 torques, although many of them are pretty much junk.

[Xavier]

No? I hear alot of crying about Jailers not having money drops.

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You say money drop, I say synth materials, adding another piece of armor to the game, incorporating crafters into the mix.

[Flarega]

And Wafik, I think of Novio Earring on the same tier as a Defending ring or Ridill, it's that one insanely rare BLM item. He's saying he doesn't want one because he'll die more. I'm asking what does he want to do with ihs account in he quits... be in a position to make hundreds of dollars or be stuck with rare ex because the bitchy melees in his LS won over the debate and keep everyone in sky.

Money in game = not money IRL. I hate people who look at items in FF and think how much money they can make IRL with it. If I thought that way I would not be remotely as close to the mandau as I am today.

If I had a novio, and I quit, either a) It goes with me, or b) I toss it, or c) It goes to a friend I know wont RMT my shit, or will respect my wishes and when he decides to quit, will let the item die instead of become RMT fodder.

Also, if you think of that as a defending ring, then why do you talk about it as if it's such a casual item? Like "You can get a novio earring from sea but only an abyssal from sky!!!". As if you can just stroll into sea and get one garunteed.

Yes it's money IRL. Most people are going to be moralistic about it now, but when it comes time to quit a lot of people silently see a huge incentive to take that $2000 check from IGE when they click trade to that gil mule in Jeuno.

I talk about it casually as a reason for doing sea because I do it already for insanely rare drops on Zilart ground kings. I go to KB to get defending rings, I go to Fafnir to get ridills, I don't go to either of those for the abjurations (eh maybe M legs from KB, but the rest is rot), gil drops, or black belt items. They're nice, but there are far superior (from COP sources mind you) of LS garnered gil. Ouryu requires 18 people and takes 30 minutes. Bahamut#2 requires 18 people and takes 30 minutes. Vrtra takes 1-2 hours and requires 35ish people. Each of these has huge money drops without competition.

You need to be slapped.

[Demetrios]

You need to be slapped.

I CARE ABOUT GIL THERE IS NO INCONSISTENCY

[Xavier]

Oh, hey, watch this, theres no freedom of speech on the forums anymore for dumbasses.

[layoneil]

No? I hear alot of crying about Jailers not having money drops.

Jailers should have money drops so the people that don't need/want the Ex items spent their time for something.

Demetrios suggested killing Vrtra and selling Cashmere, which means the only purpose of killing Vrtra was to get Reviler's Helm??? did anyone ever do that?

going to kill something when you intend to sell every possible item it drops makes you the equivalent of a gilseller.

[BRP]

Back to the point. Jailers suck, CoP doesn't.

[Xavier]

Back to the point. Jailers suck, CoP doesn't.

Something I can agree on.

[aurik]

Nin: Eva Torque > Hope Torque for evasion. Torque is OK for TPing, but not clearly better than PCC, as PCC offers 4 acc over torque with max merit.

Wtf? Evasion NIN? GFTO KI. Hope torque adds +7 attack and +6.3 accuracy. Why do I need 3.7 more accuracy for when I'm at 292 skill? Meat (hedghog pie?) adds like +60-70 attack to a NIN with with berserk on right? 7 attack is pretty significant then if you're talking like this food is superior to a 15% total accuracy buff.

Uh hello, Nynja claimed that the ninja took it for agi...of course I'm going to comment that it's pretty worthless compared to eva/parry torque if that is why the ninja wanted it. Hedgehog adds 90 attack when you cap on it, do your research before citing statistics. 7 attack isn't insignificant, but neither is 4 more accuracy for max merit ninja. You can't say Hope Torque is clearly better than PCC, which is exactly my point. Why blow 500+ man hours obtaining a teir-two jailer torque when you can buy the equivalent for 20m?

Lern 2 reed instead of taking stuff out of context in a desperate attempt to rebut.

[layoneil]

Back to the point. Jailers

... and Grand Wyrm loot pool and Xolotl and CoP Dynamis and CoP Level Capped Missions and Level Capped zones and regular pop item NMs that are not 100% drop ...

suck, CoP doesn't

... cause it has ENMs and Limbus and a kick ass storyline.

[aurik]

Back to the point. Jailers

... and Grand Wyrm loot pool and Xolotl and CoP Dynamis and CoP Level Capped Missions and Level Capped zones and regular pop item NMs that are not 100% drop ...

suck, CoP doesn't

... cause it has ENMs and Limbus and a kick ass storyline.

amen

[Demetrios]

Demetrios suggested killing Vrtra and selling Cashmere, which means the only purpose of killing Vrtra was to get Reviler's Helm??? did anyone ever do that?

going to kill something when you intend to sell every possible item it drops makes you the equivalent of a gilseller.

How does that make you a gilseller? The money is used by an LS bank or splits to buy other things in the game. You don't have splits or stuff the LS bank by selling items like JSE body / Wyrm horn/ Damascus ingot / etc when no one *really* needs (ie your BRDs have Dalmatica and Osode, it'd be their new cool Jeuno gear)?

[NynJa]

Nynja, wow, you guys have only gotten 9 torques over the course of all that time?

We got something like 5 torques that I knew of within a month (2 temp, 2 fort, 1 faith). But we haven't been back there in a while, and who knows if we ever will! Motivation certainly drops when you don't have Map-like success.

No, Nynja is just making shit up and has no idea what he's talking about, he should never be listened to. I don't know how many capes/torques we've gotten but I count least 2 enfeebling, 1 elemental and 3 or 4 summoning capes and I think a lot more than 9 torques, although many of them are pretty much junk.

I go based on what is written on our message boards, not what your delusional head fuckin makes up.
kill yourself, now.



Ina, you need to remember that Emerald was the first LS on gilgamesh in sea. They spent a lot of time up there before most information was known. I pushed SD hard to get involved with sea before I left. Even when I joined Emerald, there were still many blanks involved with sea.

And, I'm sure there are a few unallocated torques on our message boards.

[layoneil]

How does that make you a gilseller? The money is used by an LS bank or splits to buy other things in the game. You don't have splits or stuff the LS bank by selling items like JSE body / Wyrm horn/ Damascus ingot / etc when no one *really* needs (ie your BRDs have Dalmatica and Osode, it'd be their new cool Jeuno gear)?

money comes so easily in this game to hold an event for the sole purpose of making gil for the LS bank is no different than what a Gil Seller LS does.

if you're going to sell every single possible drop that matters (in the case of Vrtra being Cashmere), why do you even kill it at all? is there absolutely nothing else in the game that your LS can do for an item that also makes gil on the side?

[NynJa]

Nin: Eva Torque > Hope Torque for evasion. Torque is OK for TPing, but not clearly better than PCC, as PCC offers 4 acc over torque with max merit.

Wtf? Evasion NIN? GFTO KI. Hope torque adds +7 attack and +6.3 accuracy. Why do I need 3.7 more accuracy for when I'm at 292 skill? Meat (hedghog pie?) adds like +60-70 attack to a NIN with with berserk on right? 7 attack is pretty significant then if you're talking like this food is superior to a 15% total accuracy buff.

Uh hello, Nynja claimed that the ninja took it for agi...of course I'm going to comment that it's pretty worthless compared to eva/parry torque if that is why the ninja wanted it.

whoa whoa, dont twist my fkn words son.

I said the AGI+5 is a bonus. As in, its extra insurance over an allready great DD piece.

[BRP]

Back to the point. Jailers

... and Grand Wyrm loot pool and Xolotl and CoP Dynamis and CoP Level Capped Missions and Level Capped zones and regular pop item NMs that are not 100% drop ...

suck, CoP doesn't

... cause it has ENMs and Limbus and a kick ass storyline.

See, I liked my version better because it had less leaking vagina.

[aurik]

Nin: Eva Torque > Hope Torque for evasion. Torque is OK for TPing, but not clearly better than PCC, as PCC offers 4 acc over torque with max merit.

Wtf? Evasion NIN? GFTO KI. Hope torque adds +7 attack and +6.3 accuracy. Why do I need 3.7 more accuracy for when I'm at 292 skill? Meat (hedghog pie?) adds like +60-70 attack to a NIN with with berserk on right? 7 attack is pretty significant then if you're talking like this food is superior to a 15% total accuracy buff.

Uh hello, Nynja claimed that the ninja took it for agi...of course I'm going to comment that it's pretty worthless compared to eva/parry torque if that is why the ninja wanted it.

whoa whoa, dont twist my fkn words son.

I said the AGI+5 is a bonus. As in, its extra insurance over an allready great DD piece.

My mistake, I thought you meant he took it *for* that agi+5 bonus. Eva nin at endgame nothx, but even then, eva/parry torques are better. Agi+5 is a pretty weak bonus for nin :-/ it's like getting chr+5 on the axe torque for war.

[Demetrios]

How does that make you a gilseller? The money is used by an LS bank or splits to buy other things in the game. You don't have splits or stuff the LS bank by selling items like JSE body / Wyrm horn/ Damascus ingot / etc when no one *really* needs (ie your BRDs have Dalmatica and Osode, it'd be their new cool Jeuno gear)?

money comes so easily in this game to hold an event for the sole purpose of making gil for the LS bank is no different than what a Gil Seller LS does.

if you're going to sell every single possible drop that matters (in the case of Vrtra being Cashmere), why do you even kill it at all? is there absolutely nothing else in the game that your LS can do for an item that also makes gil on the side?

We go because we can make an LS event out of it. It's a challenging HNM. There aren't many things in the game you need to throw 30-40 people at it in order to win, and on top of that get a garunteed 40 million+ drop. I have more fun killing Vrtra to make money than farming skys gods. Maybe you enjoy sky but I personally find am sick to death of it.

I'm not sure what else you can throw an entire shell at and make money. Kirin yes, but sky can go to hell. Ground kings only allow 18 people to participate. Dynamis and Limbus can only be done once every three days. Bahamut#2, Ouryu, etc only allow 18.