AV: Nobody Cares About Him Anymore...

[NynJa]

Then by the afforementionned reasoning, I guess it is safe to say that Joyeuse >>>>>>>>>>> Ridill.

Reasoning: Joyeuse is 100% drop off a rather easy mob whereas Ridill is a 5% (thats being generous lol) drop off a rather difficult mob.

[Xavier]

Then by the afforementionned reasoning, I guess it is safe to say that Joyeuse >>>>>>>>>>> Ridill.

Reasoning: Joyeuse is 100% drop off a rather easy mob whereas Ridill is a 5% (thats being generous lol) drop off a rather difficult mob.

Except you're a retarded to call Ridill and Joyeuse equivlant items.

One more attack round, 5 more DMG on the weapon. If you weren't such a prick, you wouldn't make baseless arguments.

The better argument would be Joyeuse > Justice Sword (for the jobs it overlaps), since it doesn't require hours of pop items to get to the NM, nor nearly as many people, nor virtue stones to make it actually work.

[NynJa]

Hey, you're right, I was being a prick...

doesnt change the fact I took the very thing you said regarding Torques vs PCC and took it towards Joyeuse vs Ridill.


Ridill takes how many manhours to see one ?? 18 ppl at a 3 hour camp = 54 manhours in one day. That doesnt even include the fact you're going to claim Fafnir, or even get the drop on the first claim.

[aurik]

The difference is that PCC vs Torques is a good comparison, whereas Ridill vs Joyeuse is not.

Stop obsessing over being right and discuss.

[NynJa]

why is it not a good comparisant ?? Let me tell you why:
Because I AM right, and it is all that much more painful for you for you to swallow because I took your very argument and threw it right back at you.

[Xavier]

Hey, you're right, I was being a prick...

doesnt change the fact I took the very thing you said regarding Torques vs PCC and took it towards Joyeuse vs Ridill.


Ridill takes how many manhours to see one ?? 18 ppl at a 3 hour camp = 54 manhours in one day. That doesnt even include the fact you're going to claim Fafnir, or even get the drop on the first claim.

Are you really that dense?

Are you really that unable to comprehend the point?

why is it not a good comparisant ?? Let me tell you why:
Because I AM right, and it is all that much more painful for you because I took your very argument and threw it right back at you.

Repeating you're right in no way makes a point more valid.

[aurik]

why is it not a good comparisant ?? Let me tell you why:
Because I AM right, and it is all that much more painful for you because I took your very argument and threw it right back at you.

It's not a good comparison because PCC and Torques give you virtually the same overall bonus while Ridill is way fucking better than Joyeuse.

[NynJa]

acc+10 is the same overall bonus as accuracy+6 attack+7 ??

are you fucking high ?!?

[Xavier]

acc+10 is the same overall bonus as accuracy+6 attack+7 ??

are you fucking high ?!?

Are you fucking stupid?

[Lockecole]

acc+10 is the same overall bonus as accuracy+6 attack+7 ??

are you fucking high ?!?

Yes, lemme get some Aiming Bracelets then, attack obviously means nothing. BRB.

Btw, I'd rather farm Hope, and work towards a JoL set then farm up 20M and buy a PCC. We have 5 Hope Torques, 5 Fortitude Torques, 2 Justice Torques, 2 Temperance Torques, and 3 (or 4) Faith Torques. Im sorry but sup 500M + in gear...

[NynJa]

not particularly...
I'm not the one saying a clearly better piece of item is shit just because my panties are in a bunch over how much sea sucks, therefor I will argue against anything found within sea.

[aurik]

acc+10 is the same overall bonus as accuracy+6 attack+7 ??

are you fucking high ?!?

Did I say that? Or did I say "virtually the same", indicating that they were comparable?

[NynJa]

acc+10 is the same overall bonus as accuracy+6 attack+7 ??

are you fucking high ?!?

Did I say that? Or did I say "virtually the same", indicating that they were comparable?

I believe you said

It's not a good comparison because PCC and Torques give you virtually the same overall bonus while Ridill is way fucking better than Joyeuse.

meaning acc+10 = acc+6 atk+7

[Xavier]

not particularly...
I'm not the one saying a clearly better piece of item is shit just because my panties are in a bunch over how much sea sucks, therefor I will argue against anything found within sea.

Define clearly better douchebag.

I don't think the difference in having 620 and 627 atk, while losing 4 accuracy, clearly defines an item as being better. Not when it takes an alliance to get vs. 3 people in a BC40, and when the peacock is lv 33 vs. the torques at endgame.

"Clearly better" my ass. They're interchangable.

[aurik]

not particularly...
I'm not the one saying a clearly better piece of item is shit just because my panties are in a bunch over how much sea sucks, therefor I will argue against anything found within sea.

I'm not the one saying a clearly better item is shit either, I'm saying an item that isn't clearly better that takes 20x the effort to obtain...isn't worth the effort.

You've lost the argument when you resort to intentional misinterpretation in order to drag the discussion out and distract people from your errors.

[Xavier]

acc+10 is the same overall bonus as accuracy+6 attack+7 ??

are you fucking high ?!?

Did I say that? Or did I say "virtually the same", indicating that they were comparable?

I believe you said

It's not a good comparison because PCC and Torques give you virtually the same overall bonus while Ridill is way fucking better than Joyeuse.

meaning acc+10 = acc+6 atk+7

way to fucking prove his point, and discredit what you said, dumbass.

[NynJa]

lol??
I'm the one saying acc+6 atk+7 > acc+10

Aurik says "nono acc+10 is interchangable with acc+6 atk+7, they give virtually the same".



glad you're understanding whats goin on lol.

[aurik]

lol??
I'm the one saying acc+6 atk+7 > acc+10

You're fucking stupid to make that claim devoid of any context.

[NynJa]

I guess you're right then. attack is a useless stat.
Lets dig up all those aurik threads where he swears by any and all forms of attack gear and food...right ?



I predict the value of Aiming Bracelets to go waaaaay up.

[Xavier]

lol??
I'm the one saying acc+6 atk+7 > acc+10

Aurik says "nono acc+10 is interchangable with acc+6 atk+7, they give virtually the same".



glad you're understanding whats goin on lol.

english mother fucker, do you speak it?

Aurik said he never claimed it was better, just virtually the same, and then you quoted him saying the exact same thing as if it somehow proved anything at all.

I guess you're right then. attack is a useless stat.

You're an idiot.

6 ATK MEANS JACKSHIT after a certain point, and then you have to compare the amount of hours it takes to get the gear vs. the alternative. Its not hard.