AV: Nobody Cares About Him Anymore...

[Awoir]

Oh yea, the Enm+7 helm...don't know how I forgot that...just saw Aegis and thought this was going to turn into another relic topic...

[Roranora]

No? I hear alot of crying about Jailers not having money drops.

Jailers should have money drops so the people that don't need/want the Ex items spent their time for something.

Demetrios suggested killing Vrtra and selling Cashmere, which means the only purpose of killing Vrtra was to get Reviler's Helm??? did anyone ever do that?

going to kill something when you intend to sell every possible item it drops makes you the equivalent of a gilseller.

Hardly.. My LS farmed Tiamat for 3+ months just to sell the drops. We didn't keep anything at all, the only reason to kill it was for money. I could care less what other people think of it, people don't think BST and SMN deserve to kill HNMs here, and some LS including one of the top 10 LSes on Big kills attempted to MPK us at Tiamat multiple times. They never succeeded, and it made it even sweeter to sell Gaiters 3 times for 150m+

It's still the equivalent of a gilseller.. lol.

Gilseller tendencies fulfilled:

1. Restrict yourself to specific NMs, due to jobs, numbers, and/or skill, in this case Tiamat.
2. Kill said NMs to sell any and all drops.
3. Do so in a manner than pains any competent LS to watch.
4. Fall victim to MPK attempts, successful or not.


It's not meant to be an insult; if I were only a BST, I'm sure I'd try to get a piece of the Tiamat pie, but the method with which you do that is still equivalent to gilsellers.

Only you know, we don't sell gil for a living. It's no different than that THF in Boyahda tree killing spiders for webs. "ZOMG YOU ARENT SyNTHING THOSE WEBS, YOU MUST BE A GILSELLER?!!!!!111!!1"

At first we killed it for fun. At our second ever Tiamat, The most well known NA HNMLS on our server comes and starts trying to MPK us. At that point, all the BST in our LS have decided that after 75 levels of being pushed out of the way in exp, and having tons of NMs stolen because of a dumb coding glitch, that we aren't moving for anyone. So we started killing Tiamat regularly just to keep it from the LSes that think they deserve everything over anyone else. It's kind of sad that these normal LS take upwards of 2-3 hours to kill it when it took us about an hour and 10-30mins tops.

I've since left the LS, but I still think it was a good idea, and I know I could've got better money somewhere else, our best tiamat run netted 16 people close to 10 mil each. We got gaiters 2 times out of about 10 kills, a few which one of the guys changed to THF at the end and came for TH4. It was a great idea, and I wish I could get everyone back together to not only dominate tiamat, but other HNMs as well.

Where in there did I say you sold gil? We only see in-game interactions with people, and it's relatively simple and undisputed, your in-game playing in that situation was clearly that of what gilsellers do. You're getting defensive instead of reading what's said.... like WAY too many people do here. '-'

[aurik]

Sorry, but it doesnt take long to have faf's abjus go to free lot...


wow a 2.5 mil (I'll be nice and say 4 mil, I'm being VERY generous in this) talon split amongst 18+ people. Someone before commented on 30-40 mil vrtra drops being shit because its among 40 ppl. So 30-40 mil amongst 40 ppl = bad, but 4 mil amongst 18+ = good.

Once again, everything makes sense.

WHO THE FUCK CAMPS HNMS FOR MONEY Gilsellers! I camp them for the armor.

Let me quote the post I made regarding Fafnir dropping talons for loot:

Yes and when Fafnir doesn't drop ridill he drops nothing. Except a dragon talon. And other money drops. And other rare/ex items. And abjurations. LETS NOT FORGET ANDVARANAUTS. And we spend only 10 minutes of the camp actually paying attention.

It seems that Aurik, the guy you are so adamantly defending here, camps Fafnir for money when Ridill doesnt drop.

Here, let me fix that quote for you, you seem to be forgetting the Andvaranauts.

And as much as you bitch about rot, TG is on 140+ without any rot, and my old LS Tribe is on 120+ without much rot to speak of. Rot only happens in your LS on Gilga and in magical servers where only 2 HNMLS kill kings for the past 2 years.

Is that shit about Andarvauts a joke ??

As far as LS's camping kings
Gilgamesh has:
SD
Osiris
Emerald
WG
HC (Not so much these days)
PSA (lol)
Storm (occasionally)

Then theres the JP's:
TeppanClub
Flowers
LimitBreak (not much these days, they're all maxed out on mules and mannequins)


yeah, thats two LS's allright.

You missed the and; I'm referring to Demetrios' server where apparently there exists only 2 HNMLS superpowers that trade off on Tiamats.

And I <3 my Andvaranauts.

[Lockecole]

Ever heard of being nice and giving shit to 75 MNKs who do not participate in end game LSs or ones that do not camp kings at all? I mean not RMTing them at all and just giving them away straight up. We have done this with BB items and Aegis etc... and the exact fucker who we gave a Wyrm beard flames our LS on our own forums lmao.... thats gratitude for you.

???

Mediocre helm the drops off of Fafnir.. yes we gave that away once too... not that its great but it was just going to rot. But the person we gave that to was not a total jerkoff afterwards.

Mediocre? What do you wear on your PLD?

[Machazareel]

Bahamut's Mask? idk

[Dezzimal]

We're on like 20ish fafnirs and have let quite a few e. hands rot. I think theres a lot of bullshit flying around in here.

[Eternus]

Ever heard of being nice and giving shit to 75 MNKs who do not participate in end game LSs or ones that do not camp kings at all? I mean not RMTing them at all and just giving them away straight up. We have done this with BB items and Aegis etc... and the exact fucker who we gave a Wyrm beard flames our LS on our own forums lmao.... thats gratitude for you.

???

Mediocre helm the drops off of Fafnir.. yes we gave that away once too... not that its great but it was just going to rot. But the person we gave that to was not a total jerkoff afterwards.

Mediocre? What do you wear on your PLD?

I don't play PLD but it is situational... but our PLDs don't do PLD/NIN (yes I am aware that is retarded). They tank fine in AF2 head and Koenig head... but they all have Aegisgdfwhatever. So thus it rotting... well they all seem to think they don't need the enmity all that much. Plus we tank more shit with WAR/NIN and NIN/WAR it seems nowadays.

[NynJa]

We're on like 20ish fafnirs and have let quite a few e. hands rot. I think theres a lot of bullshit flying around in here.

Dare not accuse them of lying...

[Maxxthepenguin]

We're on like 20ish fafnirs and have let quite a few e. hands rot. I think theres a lot of bullshit flying around in here.

Hmmmmmmm :wink:

[Eternus]

We're on like 20ish fafnirs and have let quite a few e. hands rot. I think theres a lot of bullshit flying around in here.

Dare not accuse them of lying...

Like rot to people outside LS lol.. yeah that can happen. We seem to have not gotten that many I think.. not sure, but we have a shitload of RDM and BLM who seemingly want them, it rots depending if everyone there who has a job 60+ leveled that can equip/wants it will lot. We do not do points.

[Lockecole]

Ever heard of being nice and giving shit to 75 MNKs who do not participate in end game LSs or ones that do not camp kings at all? I mean not RMTing them at all and just giving them away straight up. We have done this with BB items and Aegis etc... and the exact fucker who we gave a Wyrm beard flames our LS on our own forums lmao.... thats gratitude for you.

???

Mediocre helm the drops off of Fafnir.. yes we gave that away once too... not that its great but it was just going to rot. But the person we gave that to was not a total jerkoff afterwards.

Mediocre? What do you wear on your PLD?

I don't play PLD but it is situational... but our PLDs don't do PLD/NIN (yes I am aware that is retarded). They tank fine in AF2 head and Koenig head... but they all have Aegisgdfwhatever. So thus it rotting... well they all seem to think they don't need the enmity all that much. Plus we tank more shit with WAR/NIN and NIN/WAR it seems nowadays.

Especially recently, most fights being determined by having to do massive damage at times, Enmity seems to be the underlying difference between having a smooth and successful fight and well..wiping. A good tank is a tank that has hate, and short of using SMNs for DD, no tank can hold hate against WAR/NINs or BLMs who are forced to do massive damage in short periods of times unless they have the appropriate means to do so. Not to say that the rest of the pieces suck, but I'd say Bahamut's Mask or Aegish rival just about anyother piece of gear for PLD on the head. Nothing comes close to having 7-8Enmity in a slot.

[Ryko]

We're on like 20ish fafnirs and have let quite a few e. hands rot. I think theres a lot of bullshit flying around in here.

Hmmmmmmm :wink:

We've also given 4 pairs of Ehands to people outside of LS for the sake of them not rotting, no pay, but yeah, people can pick up warrior or BST any time they want and it's not like my LS was exactly lacking in adaman-capable people at the time so meh.

[Eternus]

Especially recently, most fights being determined by having to do massive damage at times, Enmity seems to be the underlying difference between having a smooth and successful fight and well..wiping. A good tank is a tank that has hate, and short of using SMNs for DD, no tank can hold hate against WAR/NINs or BLMs who are forced to do massive damage in short periods of times unless they have the appropriate means to do so. Not to say that the rest of the pieces suck, but I'd say Bahamut's Mask or Aegish rival just about anyother piece of gear for PLD on the head. Nothing comes close to having 7-8Enmity in a slot.

WAR/NIN tanks can get +40 Enmity lol.. we have 4 with Ridill that spam Rampages and they all have Ebdy as well... So yeah WAR/NIN seemed to do fine when we did Jorm last time. Also worked well on Nidhogg.. also did fine when we straight tank KS99 Behemoth BC and win in 7 minutes... well you get the picture. I just give them Victory March and Minuet IV.. they get hasted and there goes the Rampage spam with vokes and ja hate holding while blink tanking. Really +40 enmity is the max and its unfair lol.

[Lockecole]

Especially recently, most fights being determined by having to do massive damage at times, Enmity seems to be the underlying difference between having a smooth and successful fight and well..wiping. A good tank is a tank that has hate, and short of using SMNs for DD, no tank can hold hate against WAR/NINs or BLMs who are forced to do massive damage in short periods of times unless they have the appropriate means to do so. Not to say that the rest of the pieces suck, but I'd say Bahamut's Mask or Aegish rival just about anyother piece of gear for PLD on the head. Nothing comes close to having 7-8Enmity in a slot.

WAR/NIN tanks can get +40 Enmity lol.. we have 4 with Ridill that spam Rampages and they all have Ebdy as well... So yeah WAR/NIN seemed to do fine when we did Jorm last time. Also worked well on Nidhogg.. also did fine when we straight tank KS99 Behemoth BC and win in 7 minutes... well you get the picture. I just give them Victory March and Minuet IV.. they get hasted and there goes the Rampage spam with vokes and ja hate holding while blink tanking. Really +40 enmity is the max and its unfair lol.

Well I have a WAR/NIN myself, I was just merely talking about PLD head slots...and the fact that Aegish is not a mediocre piece. I dont know why you're getting into NINs or WARs.

[Eternus]

Tank is a tank.. that makes Aegis kinda mediocre but nice at the same time. Just it isn't always equipped... and they are all mediocre in some way. If there was one for every single situation then I would say it isn't.

[Ryko]

There's a difference between "Aegishjalmr's use between tanks of all jobs" and "Aegishjalmr's use between tanks that can fucking wear the thing".

[Eternus]

There's a difference between "Aegishjalmr's use between tanks of all jobs" and "Aegishjalmr's use between tanks that can fucking wear the thing".

Pretty sure both pld and war can. NIN sure is invalid though, but I am not mentioning NIN. He was talking about enmity though and WAR can acquire a shitload more enmity than PLD can. It is nice, but situational. When it starts being "the one head armor to rule them all" I would call it great. It isn't Koenig Body with someone macroing in Valor Surcoat for Cover lmao. Also I love PLD crying that they can't wear Genbu's Kabuto. Bleh Aegishjalmr rots in our LS lol they all have it. If it was worn all the time and we didn't tank more on WAR then I would be all for it. To us its mediocre but to your LS who might get 100% usage out of it for some reason it could be amazing.

[Ryko]

WAR cant use an aegishjalmr <_<

[Eternus]

WAR cant use an aegishjalmr <_<

Ah then they have plenty of enmity without it lol.. oh well. Nevermind the WAR shit then that is invalid as well. Oh well I don't remember the jobs who can equip shit I do not have. Well when our PLD start tanking more and not playing on other jobs and actually wear Aegishjalmr when they do tank all the time I would think its not mediocre, but I will take your word for it...

The subject was we rotted it... in my opinion its not the headpiece of god. I just said we tank more on NIN and WAR so it is even rotting more. Well we were arguing about sea and jailers vs kings.. hmm and Nynja said something about rotting shit on Kings... and I said it isn't rotting all the time to lvl 1s... we let people outside LS get some stuff. I was sticking up for Kings in a weird way saying it isn't a total waste to kill Fafnir as supposed to jailers.

But all that would require reading and now we are even more off topic. So yeah AV is a waste of time somewhat, Kings offer better loot.. and it isn't always rotting if your LS gives it to non lvl 1s LS members. Ridill owns everything dropped in sea IMO also... so does Nidhogg drops.. and d ring... and well the fact that more than one or two people can get something from one mob.

[Lockecole]

WAR cant use an aegishjalmr <_<

Ah then they have plenty of enmity without it lol.. oh well. Nevermind the WAR shit then that is invalid as well. Oh well I don't remember the jobs who can equip shit I do not have. Well when our PLD start tanking more and not playing on other jobs and actually wear Aegishjalmr when they do tank all the time I would think its not mediocre, but I will take your word for it...

The subject was we rotted it... in my opinion its not the headpiece of god. I just said we tank more on NIN and WAR so it is even rotting more. Well we were arguing about sea and jailers vs kings.. hmm and Nynja said something about rotting shit on Kings... and I said it isn't rotting all the time to lvl 1s... we let people outside LS get some stuff. I was sticking up for Kings in a weird way saying it isn't a total waste to kill Fafnir as supposed to jailers.

But all that would require reading and now we are even more off topic. So yeah AV is a waste of time somewhat, Kings offer better loot.. and it isn't always rotting if your LS gives it to non lvl 1s LS members. Ridill owns everything dropped in sea IMO also... so does Nidhogg drops.. and d ring... and well the fact that more than one or two people can get something from one mob.

If you give something away IT IS ROT. Others benefiting from your work does not make your LS better. You might as well have wiped to the mob if you're giving shit away.

Now do I agree with giving things away? I dont care personally, I think its a nice thing, but as far as furthering your LS as far as gil or RA/EX gear, handing items out from HNMs still counts as ROT in regards to your LS benefiting.