AV: Nobody Cares About Him Anymore...

[Suci]

So anybody else have increased droprates after the updates?

[Maxxthepenguin]

So anybody else have increased droprates after the updates?

Read. The. Thread.

Yes. And some people have said 'NOOO SEA SUXX EVEN THO WE GOT WHAT WE AXED 4 WE NUT GUNNA DO IT NOWAI'

[Elcura]

So anybody else have increased droprates after the updates?

Read. The. Thread.

Yes

Way to expect people to read a 40 page thread. I wouldn't do it, hell, I only read this thread from mage 32 or so.

[Maxxthepenguin]

So anybody else have increased droprates after the updates?

Read. The. Thread.

Yes

Way to expect people to read a 40 page thread. I wouldn't do it, hell, I only read this thread from mage 32 or so.

It was said twice, and you can search the forums.

[layoneil]

EVEN THO WE GOT WHAT WE AXED 4

whoever asked for non-100% pop items need to be neutured.

[Elcura]

So anybody else have increased droprates after the updates?

Read. The. Thread.

Yes

Way to expect people to read a 40 page thread. I wouldn't do it, hell, I only read this thread from mage 32 or so.

It was said twice, and you can search the forums.

You can search forums, not pages and posts. Even if you find the thread going through 30+ pages of shit to find the one post with the info you want it hard and boring, so why not ask?

[Maxxthepenguin]

So anybody else have increased droprates after the updates?

Read. The. Thread.

Yes

Way to expect people to read a 40 page thread. I wouldn't do it, hell, I only read this thread from mage 32 or so.

It was said twice, and you can search the forums.

You can search forums, not pages and posts. Even if you find the thread going through 30+ pages of shit to find the one post with the info you want it hard and boring, so why not ask?

Well I did answer his question, just tossed in a flame while I was at it. And there is the nice 'search by posts' function in search.

[epigram]

Well not really maxx. A few people have observed what they believe to be a slight increase in drop rates. That doesn't mean that drop rates have actually increased. Provide me with some actual statistical evidence that the drop rate has increased before you start claiming it is true.

What you failed to comprehend through countless threads and 40 pages here, is that sea rewards very little for the amount of man hours you have to spend to get anything out of it. If I had any desire to farm sea I would join a shell that does, or form my own. But I don't, because I would simply rather go read a book or do something else instead of grinding for a months to hope to get 14more attack and one more acc over items I can get farming. Sure these are the BEST items for the slot, but they are marginally better.

[Elcura]

[quote=Maxxthepenguin]

So anybody else have increased droprates after the updates?

Read. The. Thread.

Yes

Way to expect people to read a 40 page thread. I wouldn't do it, hell, I only read this thread from mage 32 or so.

It was said twice, and you can search the forums.

You can search forums, not pages and posts. Even if you find the thread going through 30+ pages of shit to find the one post with the info you want it hard and boring, so why not ask?

Well I did answer his question, just tossed in a flame while I was at it. And there is the nice 'search by posts' function in search.[/quote:d84e2]

Doesn't make the function any more annoying and fustrating that clicking on the new button post, you proved it yourself when you answered his questions not even 5 mins after his post.

[Suci]

Must be a slow day today lol. Ask one simple question and get a debate of said question. Epigram basicly said why i asked the question in the first place.

[epigram]

It was a rhetorical statement. People seem to have observed increase drop rates, but not everyone has. Nor would the claim that the true drop rate has actually changed be validated unless you have a large enough sample from before and after.

The point I was making is that maxx's final statement was full of shit because there is no way he, or I can back up the claim that the probability of an item dropping from any sea jailer has actually changed.

[Roranora]

Speaking of sea, 1 virtue in last 4 Temperances with thief...

We've seen no such increase in drop rate; none of those even had a torque. Hard to comment on tier2 jailers if you can't fucking pop them.

[Lockecole]

but I'm the Pope so fuck you.

That wins the thread for me. Also I need a goodshot of AV. Been digging around and I can't find one. Preferably unclaimed.

Here's one of us realizing the wall doesnt work.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7625/img00356nd.png

Here's a pic of WHY.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9198/img00335za.png

[Heian]

but I'm the Pope so fuck you.

That wins the thread for me. Also I need a goodshot of AV. Been digging around and I can't find one. Preferably unclaimed.

Here's one of us realizing the wall doesnt work.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7625/img00356nd.png

Here's a pic of WHY.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9198/img00335za.png

Thank you, and in return I give you this....

http://avmyspacesuicide.ytmnd.com/

[Iku]

RoZ > CoP


Missions:

I really enjoyed doing RoZ because they are fun and less stressful like CoP mission. Before SE nerfed Promies, Promies are hell for most of high lvl. We have to walk through the whole freaking zone full of True Sight NM. The promies boss fight require like 2 SMN, 2 RNG, WAR/NIN, 1 WHM( Other set up will get your ass kicked). And what the fuck with Ammet Fight? . We have to fix macro for fight, making space for lvl 30, 40, 50, and 60 armors. I swear to god i am willing to spend my time to take a DRG from RoZ mission 1 to sky rather than spend my time to take him to sea. In fact, i havent got sea access yet.


Items: I have 75 RNG/PLD/BRD/WHM and 70ish BLM

RNG: nothing i want from sea.

PLD: still camp Fafnir/Nidhogg, hope to get Koenig.

BRD: I used to drool over Sha'ir Manteels but with the release of desynthesis sublingar. I got it through that way.

WHM: The best whm body piece from is Kirin and KB. Other piece is obtainable through ENM. Nothing i want from sea.

BLM: +7MAB is nice but jeez, there are like 20+ BLM in my LS. Probably take 6 years before i see my earring.

SO FUCK SEA.



NM: The wyrms in Cop is a nice addition. I remembered the time when Hiddenpower LS killed Vrtra for the first time ( first NA LS to kill it). I was really excited because Vrtra deems to be impossible to kill for a long period but we saw a couple SS of death vrtra. And eventually, most NA HNMLS found the strategy to kill him. Now let compare Vrtra to Absolute Virtue. AV is impossible to kill now but i doubt anyone will ever find a legit way to kil him in the future.

Herald's Gaiter is not 100%, Ores from Jorgy is 100% but who gives a shit, DRG sucks, BRD JSE is 100% drop but you also can get it for a lousy 8M+ with a bit of luck.

When you killed Nidhogg, you pretty much walk about with a dal/koenig or sometime 2. You killed KB, you walked away with C.Mask, D. Ring, Shining Cloth ( best WHM body piece ). You killed Ada, you walked away with .... ( whatever .. this turtle is weak sauce ).. The HQ kings drop items for BB quest ( best belt for MNK ever)



So overall, CoP is a weak expansion that half-assed done like Perfect Dark Zero for Xbox 360.

FUCK LVL CAP, FUCK COP MISSION, FUCK JAILERS, FUCK SE FOR STEALING MOBS FROM DYN-XARC AND PUT IT TO ULEDERANGE, FUCK COP DYNAMIS.

I want my fucking $30 bucks back.

[NynJa]

But I don't, because I would simply rather go read a book or do something else instead of grinding for a months to hope to get 14more attack and one more acc over items I can get farming. Sure these are the BEST items for the slot, but they are marginally better.

Adaman Cuirass
Defense 52
MP +8
Vitality +4
Mind +4
Enmity +3

vs

Koenig Cuirass
Defense 65
HP +60
Strength -10
Dexterity -10
Vitality +20
Charisma +20



oh look, a measley 13 defence, and 16 extra VIT (we all know how useful VIT is since a PLD will wear a ring with HP+50 instead of a ring with def3 VIT+5)...that'll negate maybe 8 dmg per hit, yet people clusterfuck Dragon's Aery for the shot at Nidhogg.

[epigram]

I'm pretty sure if King Abj were dropped by jailers you would see a lot more people in sea. Exactly what is your point?

[Rewind_levi]

Adaman Cuirass
Defense 52
MP +8
Vitality +4
Mind +4
Enmity +3

vs

Koenig Cuirass
Defense 65
HP +60
Strength -10
Dexterity -10
Vitality +20
Charisma +20



oh look, a measley 13 defence, and 16 extra VIT (we all know how useful VIT is since a PLD will wear a ring with HP+50 instead of a ring with def3 VIT+5)...that'll negate maybe 8 dmg per hit, yet people clusterfuck Dragon's Aery for the shot at Nidhogg.

You missed the biggest difference. 60+ HP.

[Xavier]

But I don't, because I would simply rather go read a book or do something else instead of grinding for a months to hope to get 14more attack and one more acc over items I can get farming. Sure these are the BEST items for the slot, but they are marginally better.

Adaman Cuirass
Defense 52
MP +8
Vitality +4
Mind +4
Enmity +3

vs

Koenig Cuirass
Defense 65
HP +60
Strength -10
Dexterity -10
Vitality +20
Charisma +20



oh look, a measley 13 defence, and 16 extra VIT (we all know how useful VIT is since a PLD will wear a ring with HP+50 instead of a ring with def3 VIT+5)...that'll negate maybe 8 dmg per hit, yet people clusterfuck Dragon's Aery for the shot at Nidhogg.

you're kinda mentally slow aren't you?

Adaman Cuirass best compares to Valor Surcoat, not Koenig Cuirass.

Adaman Cuirass
Defense 52
MP +8
Vitality +4
Mind +4
Enmity +3

vs.

Valor surcoat
Defense 51
HP +23
DEX +3
Enmity +4
Enhances "Cover" effect

Stop fucking comparing completely different/not in the same league gear. First Ridill/Joyeuse, now Adaman Cuirass to Koenig Cuirass. They don't have the same purpose.

Koenig Cuirass is made for PLD/WAR tanking, straight up +HP, +DEF, +VIT, Adaman Cuirass is made for PLD/NIN tanking, +enmity. I swear to god you need to learn how to make reasonable comparisons or not compare anything at all.

[NynJa]

May I ask how that makes me "mentally slow" ??

Epigram specifically mentionned gear that offers "14more attack and one more acc over items I can get farming". Hey look:
Koenig Cuirass offers 13 more defence over Adaman Cuirass, some HP and some VIT...yet you can get Adaman Cuirass in about 1 hour of farming, whereas you can get Koenig Cuirass after, 2-never months of camping Fafhogg (or you can be in Sisterfuck and get it in 2 days).


It was a prime example to what he said. It was dead fucking on.
Statwise, going by the very thing he said, Koenig Cuirass is just a "marginal improvement" over Adaman Cuirass. The only reason you dont like this comparisant is because you're anti-sea but pro-kings.