AV: Nobody Cares About Him Anymore...

[Maxxthepenguin]

Sea blows.

Would it blow with higher drop rates?

I help run a very successful dynamis shell that typically gets 10-15 drops in cities and ~4-6 in ice and we still have issues with drooping attendance over time. You run twice a week for howmanymonths and your people are satisfied with two dozen and some meaningful drops? I want minions like that please.

Because sea items are mostly not trash and people mostly don't have them. AF2 is in general shit.

I'll disagree with you there, we get several needed/wanted drops every time we go, in addition to the useless drops that make people happy anyway. Last Friday (Bastok), rdm rdm smn brd mnk sam were the good pieces. The Friday before (Xarc), rdm rdm rdm blm pld nin.

I wouldn't call 90% of Sea's drops astoundingly more powerful than the above drops. And that was all collected in 2 trips, rather than 8+ months of 2 trips per week...

We've had Xarc 0 drop runs 2 times in a row. You guys are lucky fucks.

[Roranora]

Yeah, but when you buy a Timeless Hourglass, there isn't a 50% chance that the Trail Markings will take the glass and not let you in.

lol, if only

[aurik]

Sea blows.

Would it blow with higher drop rates?

I help run a very successful dynamis shell that typically gets 10-15 drops in cities and ~4-6 in ice and we still have issues with drooping attendance over time. You run twice a week for howmanymonths and your people are satisfied with two dozen and some meaningful drops? I want minions like that please.

Because sea items are mostly not trash and people mostly don't have them. AF2 is in general shit.

I'll disagree with you there, we get several needed/wanted drops every time we go, in addition to the useless drops that make people happy anyway. Last Friday (Bastok), rdm rdm smn brd mnk sam were the good pieces. The Friday before (Xarc), rdm rdm rdm blm pld nin.

I wouldn't call 90% of Sea's drops astoundingly more powerful than the above drops. And that was all collected in 2 trips, rather than 8+ months of 2 trips per week...

We've had Xarc 0 drop runs 2 times in a row. You guys are lucky fucks.

And how often do you think a typical LS gets skunked in Sea given a 4-hour run?

[Maxxthepenguin]

And how often do you think a typical LS gets skunked in Sea given a 4-hour run?

At least they get exp/organs instead of NOTHING.

[TsingTao]

No currency Max?

[Dezzimal]

And how often do you think a typical LS gets skunked in Sea given a 4-hour run?

At least they get exp/organs instead of NOTHING.

1 Word: Currency

[Maxxthepenguin]

No currency Max?

It goes to the LS to fund the 1mil it takes. We sell it to members to break even on the costs, but believe it or not, 95% of the LS ISNT upgrading relics.

Edit@Dezz: Yeah you have gotten a lot of currency from our runs havent you.

[aurik]

And how often do you think a typical LS gets skunked in Sea given a 4-hour run?

At least they get exp/organs instead of NOTHING.

If I wanted XP I wouldn't fucking farm sea in an alliance; I could solo XP faster than that and get *gasp* seals and CP/IS! And who the fuck cares about nq organs.

You go to sea/dynamis for *drops*. And did I mention that your dynamis LS probably hauled in over 10m in coins despite zero AF? You're well paid for your time.

[NynJa]

Actually Aurik, on most normal servers, currency is dropping in price, rapidly.



But to say sea gear is shitty is just a copout excuse to not do it. There is a lot of exceptional gear there.

[Luminaire]

But to say sea gear is shitty is just a copout excuse to not do it. There is a lot of exceptional gear there.

THE EXACT SAME GEAR EXISTS ALREADY

WOOOOOOO ATK +6 ON SPEEDBELT OH MY GOD WHAT AN EXPANSION

In no way does sea compare to Dynamis. Nothing in sea comes close to Duelist's Chapeau, Assassin's Armlets, Sorcerer's Petasos, Cleric's Briault, Koga Tekko, Shadow items, Aegis, or Gjallorhorn. And if you're good enough to do sea well, you're good enough to get that stuff.

[Maxxthepenguin]

But to say sea gear is shitty is just a copout excuse to not do it. There is a lot of exceptional gear there.

THE EXACT SAME GEAR EXISTS ALREADY

WOOOOOOO ATK +6 ON SPEEDBELT OH MY GOD WHAT AN EXPANSION

Subtle Blow PLUS Atk+6 PLUS Spell Interrupt -6% (its not nothing) PLUS +6% Haste is SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER THAN SPEED BELT.
As are many of the other AV items such as, say, a Mag Acc+8 (THAT IS A LOT) throwing item that you arent going to accidentally lose.

Osode doesn't even compare to Sash

[Awoir]

THE EXACT SAME GEAR EXISTS ALREADY

WOOOOOOO ATK +6 ON SPEEDBELT OH MY GOD WHAT AN EXPANSION

I thought they wanted Ninurtas for the subtle blow...

[Shuemue]

+5 elemental magic on a cape? yeah, that's already available isn't it?

[Map]

Since Jailer Weapons are the only things that are 100% drop in sea, you had about 150 jailer fights. Out of those 150 runs, you got 20 torques, making it approximately 13% drop rate.

Wow. Sea is fan-freakin-tastic!

Yes, drop rates aren't spectacular, but sea is different than sky. In sky you have to wait 4-6 hours sometimes to sea a demi pop again, against heavy competition. In sea, you can pop all but one 'demi' repeatedly with minimal downtime, and the demi's drop good stuff. The only Jailer that can't be popped easily repeatedly is Temperance, who as least for my shell is 100% on the virtue, but apparently not the case for other people >.>

[aurik]

No they want ninurtas for e-penis.

[Luminaire]

+5 elemental magic on a cape? yeah, that's already available isn't it?

I said earlier in this same thread that the capes are pretty great - droprate on them, however, is not, nor is popping that NM at all.

You can bring AV drops into the argument when it's proven that anyone having them at all isn't a fluke. That magic ACC chakram is a huge impact piece, agreed - so is Adaman Breastplate. Like Adaman Breastplate, the chakram doesn't exist.

[Seebo]

Argue that Dynamis drops own Sea drops all you want, YOU CAN ONLY ATTEND DYNAMIS 2 TIMES A WEEK, APPROXIMATELY 6 HOURS TOTAL.

Believe it or not, most semi-active shells do events DAILY, leaving plenty of time for sea. Don't get me wrong, after going 0/14 on Fifth Virtues from Hope that it kinda was a turn off from sea, but you're a retard if you say sea drops suck. I don't feel like going back to quote, but whoever said PCC > any torque for a specific weapon either is mentally challenged or read it in a brady game guide.

[Dezzimal]

No currency Max?

It goes to the LS to fund the 1mil it takes. We sell it to members to break even on the costs, but believe it or not, 95% of the LS ISNT upgrading relics.

Edit@Dezz: Yeah you have gotten a lot of currency from our runs havent you.

Actually this is ironic. I have an ordelle bronzepiece in my safe at this very moment from sandy like 2 weeks ago which I haven't returned yet.

Your point stands though.

However I'd still rather do dynamis than sea. I've gotten 9 pieces of AF2, 6 of which I actually make use of daily. Compare that to my sky record - 1 Kirin's pole and nothing else, or my record in sea - jack fking shit. Granted I don't do either of those as much as I do dynamis, but that is pretty outstanding. Not too shabby for 6 hours a week.

[aurik]

Argue that Dynamis drops own Sea drops all you want, YOU CAN ONLY ATTEND DYNAMIS 2 TIMES A WEEK, APPROXIMATELY 6 HOURS TOTAL.

Believe it or not, most semi-active shells do events DAILY, leaving plenty of time for sea. Don't get me wrong, after going 0/14 on Fifth Virtues from Hope that it kinda was a turn off from sea, but you're a retard if you say sea drops suck. I don't feel like going back to quote, but whoever said PCC > any torque for a specific weapon either is mentally challenged or read it in a brady game guide.

The only thing that keeps most people going to Sea is nazi HNMLS leaders that say "YOU MUST GO TO SEA AND FARM FOR MY <ITEM> OR ELSE I WILL NEVER LET YOU LOT ON <ITEM>". You want heralds gaiters off of Tiamat#57? Better go farm Sea. You want c.mask off of KB #104 or ridill off of Fafnir #205? Better go farm Sea. And of course once said leader gets said <item>, Sea magically becomes an optional event that he happens to miss often.

What I don't see is people farming Sea because the rewards in the region in and of themselves are enough to bring people back week after week. It's not like Sky where you can (and certain people do) make a living farming the NMs for money drops, let alone the unrivalled rare/ex gear.

Map's LS is the exception rather than the rule, and I'm astounded that he's managed to keep so many people working together towards a common purpose when the density of unrivalled rewards is so desperately low. Give me minions like that and I'll rule the world.

[Seebo]

However I'd still rather do dynamis than sea. I've gotten 9 pieces of AF2, 6 of which I actually make use of daily. Compare that to my sky record - 1 Kirin's pole and nothing else, or my record in sea - jack fking shit. Granted I don't do either of those as much as I do dynamis, but that is pretty outstanding. Not too shabby for 6 hours a week.

I'm not saying for some jobs or some people all the jobs from sea aren't as useful as dynamis, I'm simply stating that sea drops really useful gear, and any active linkshell can balance the two weekly. I'm sure a rng whos gotten hope and faith torques from sea, and a full god set would say sea/sky > dynamis. Its preference if you're judging whether its worth it or not on your own wants/needs.