Finding Faults Quest

[Krandor]

Has anyone ever gotten both questions right? With only 1 correct answer I got 200 imperial standing. What's the reward for answering both correctly?

You get a ??? box, I don't remember what I got out of it, something worthless is all I remember.

[NynJa]

I just tried the troll one for the 2nd week in a row.

first week we were only able to find one weakness (elemental), after doing everything possible, so only walked off with IS. This week, we found NOTHING. I kited that fucking fag for around 3 minutes straight, I spent around 10 minutes straight on peculiar seeds, trying to find one seed message I might have missed. RDM casted elemental wheel + drain and BRD Banished. I asuran'd in the face, to both sides, and the back. I then busted out the warp cudgel, and brainshakered it in the face.

NOTHING INTIMIDATED IT.

now since it depopped, I cant get another shot till next week.



anyone got any idea what I should tell the npc ?? -.-

[Huggo]

Eh, I usually can spot one weakness pretty easy during the fight, for the other, I just try my luck at guessing. One of the two is usually right. In your case though Nynja, since you said you tried everything, try "Sluggish movement."

[Khamsin]

I've seen "sluggish movement" on the troll before, and its painfully obvious. It takes forever to follow you, its like perma-gravity. There won't be any doubt.

I'm assuming the same would be true of the mamool ja one, so I've never said sluggish movement on him since I've never seen him move as slow as I saw the troll move.

[NynJa]

the mamool "nature" weakness is a dropping off a ledge, as theres a short dropoff near the ???, which is used to find the weakness.


the troll was catching up to me pretty easily, so it wasnt sluggish movement. I dunno what it is then

[Kaylia]

WS from a certain angle is kinda hard to verify. With the 0.3 ping, you can never tell where the mobs was facing exactly. It's also possible you have to try on mutiple side (behind, in front, both side, 45 degree).


About spell, I'm not sure I understood what was posted earlier. Did you said it won't wake up if you cast the spell on it, or just sleep nuke until you find the one that deal more dmg?

[NynJa]

no, elemental weakness, my rdm friend casts all 6 tier1's, then drain, and the bard casts banish. if the NM starts to get intimidated, then thats its weakness. it has nothing to do with damage.


for WS at an angle, I have the rdm sleep it, and I can WS from wherever I choose. The "Certain WS" is retarded too, since I have no clue what that means. Last time I tried it, I Asuran'd (physical) from certain angles, and it did nothing. I took the rdm's staff and earth crushered it (elemental), and still nothing.

[Kaylia]

Certain WS probably refer to the element, the one working with sea gorget. That or the weapon type maybe

[Wizerd]

I don't think a certain weapon skill means a TP move. Keep in mind that a weapon skill is also used to describe your skill of a weapon. Though it would be hard to test all 15 weapon skills in the game, so maybe what Kaylia said - weapon type. Try Blunt, Slashing, and Piercing on it for a minute or two each and see if it gets intimidated while doing nothing else.

Element is easy to test, you don't need tier 1 nukes or anything. Simply have a BRD (you all have one of these right?) cast each threnody, one by one, until it's intimidated. Or elegy/requiem for earth/light since they're more useful.

I don't see how you guys test WS from a certain angle though. The mamool ja and troll both die before I can test everything I want to...

[epigram]

I solo the troll one a lot as BST/RDM. I charm a slime and pop the troll. When it pops a puppet I have the slime focus on it instead.

To verify if it's slow or not I just heel my pet and check out it's speed. It's painfully obvious when it does have that fault. I then run through my rdm enfeebles and see if anything sticks or if I get an intimidate, sometimes I just do level 1 nukes and see which isn't horribly resisted.

There are usually 3 seeds around him, I just pop one, go up and melee a bit, then move to the others if I cant get an intimidate.

Finally for the WS I just use temperance/brutal for fast TP and do smash axe or something equally weak. If I get an intimidate it's great, if not then so be it.

A DC or EM slime can easily tank him through all this and kill off all his pets. I usually change the pet focus to him and kill him after I've finished my tests though. If the slime dies early though it's pretty trivial to switch to raven/crow gear and run around until you can get a leach to take hate on both him and his puppet.

I have never tried, but do you actually need to defeat him? It seems logical that as long as you know what the weakness's are you should be able to just go back to finish the quest.

[NynJa]

Well me and my friends let it depop last night, since we got it low on HP and couldnt get anything to intimidate it. However, we were going to pop it again just to see if we can, and we couldnt. BUT, I talked to the quest NPC today, and I couldnt give in my answers


gonna see if I can pop the NM again, sigh.





ninjaedit:
well I just popped it on my blm alone w/out gear..no clue why it was giving us the "nothing happens", BS...though I'll bet it was because it hasnt respawned yet (5 or 18 min...dunno why I didnt think of this)

[Wizerd]

Well me and my friends let it depop last night, since we got it low on HP and couldnt get anything to intimidate it. However, we were going to pop it again just to see if we can, and we couldnt. BUT, I talked to the quest NPC today, and I couldnt give in my answers


gonna see if I can pop the NM again, sigh.





ninjaedit:
well I just popped it on my blm alone w/out gear..no clue why it was giving us the "nothing happens", BS...though I'll bet it was because it hasnt respawned yet (5 or 18 min...dunno why I didnt think of this)

Could have something to do with in-game day, or RL day. The new "day" switched over 2 hours ago, in Japan.

[NynJa]

Hopefully its not the new RL-day, since I popped the nm like 30 min ago

[divisortheory]

anyone got any idea what I should tell the npc ?? -.-

I've never done troll, what are the choices

[divisortheory]

I don't see how you guys test WS from a certain angle though. The mamool ja and troll both die before I can test everything I want to...

You don't have to test everything, you only need to test until you find out which ones it is.

1) Pull it off the ledge, if it's not intimidated scratch off landing after a fall.
2) Check all the peculiar seeds, if you don't get anything scratch off the irritant.
3) Do your threnody thing, if it's not intimdated scratch off certain element.

At this point there are 3 cases:

Case 1) It's been intimidated by two of the above things. In this case you're done, kill it and go home.
Case 2) It's been intimidated by zero of the above things. In this case you're done, the answers are certain WS and WS from a certain angle. Go home.
Case 3)It's been intimidated exactly once. This is the only one that even requires some effort. And to test WS from a certain angle you can simply test 4 or 5 different angles with the same weaponskill. If you never see it get intimidated, it ws a certain weaponskill.

[Kaylia]

anyone got any idea what I should tell the npc ?? -.-

I've never done troll, what are the choices

Iirc


1) Sluggish Movement
2) Certain scent
3) Certain type of magic
4) Weapon skill
5) A certain weapon skill

[Wizerd]

Case 3)It's been intimidated exactly once. This is the only one that even requires some effort. And to test WS from a certain angle you can simply test 4 or 5 different angles with the same weaponskill. If you never see it get intimidated, it ws a certain weaponskill.

That's the problem... As NIN I kill it after 3 WS easy, even when I take off all my attack gear and use Mambo instead of Minuet...

[Priran]

Case 3)It's been intimidated exactly once. This is the only one that even requires some effort. And to test WS from a certain angle you can simply test 4 or 5 different angles with the same weaponskill. If you never see it get intimidated, it ws a certain weaponskill.

That's the problem... As NIN I kill it after 3 WS easy, even when I take off all my attack gear and use Mambo instead of Minuet...

use 1 katana

[divisortheory]

Or use Blade: Rin

[Rarab]

I do this quest with 3 other people and we've always done lamia, haven't seen anyone touch on this yet.

What we do is surround the mob so that we can each test a ws from a a different side of it, pretty sure angle is misleading, only the sides matter. We always TP up beforehand so we can check with at least 2 ws each.

We always manage to get at least 1 right and majority of the time the correct answer has been "WS from certain angle". The one choice that lamia has that I don't understand or know how to test is "a certain sound" anyone done this and have any clue?