Assault Info Compilation

[Dezzimal]

0/6 got lucky with some firespits and managed to get 2 doors down this time instead of one.

[Lordwafik]

If the tank has shadows he doesnt have to move from [Weapon] Throw, but he still has to move to the side for firespit.
However, if the tank has 4 shadows up, he can take a firespit to the face and it'll pass through him hitting the door.

PLD have to sidestep everything.

[Skold_07]

swap EQ the whole time zzzz its how i won :wink:

[Dezzimal]

If the tank has shadows he doesnt have to move from [Weapon] Throw, but he still has to move to the side for firespit.
However, if the tank has 4 shadows up, he can take a firespit to the face and it'll pass through him hitting the door.

PLD have to sidestep everything.

From just experimenting now, I have had firespits behave quite a bit different than this.

Without moving at all (this is important) I have had 3 possible outcomes from firespits:

1. I get nailed hard for 400ish damage and don't lose any of my shadows that are up.

2. I lose 3 shadows or so and don't take any damage, but it doesn't hit the door.

3. I take no damage at all, lose no shadows, and the door takes a hit.

I had the bard play mambo for me and used +35 evasion worth of gear and +7 skill. Seeing as these are tough mobs I think I would have evaded quite a bit, but they were hitting me a ton somehow with normal swings and firespits, maybe it was warm up? I don't know.

[Russta]

Appologies for bumping this but it's a good thread with decent info anyway so meh.

When my friend gets out of Dynamis in a few hours, we're thinking of trying Seagull Grounded (Periqia) with just three of us, how likely is it that we will win? Me and my close friend only need this to get onto the second tier of assaults but if winning is pretty much hopeless then I'd rather do another assault for AP then waste a tag. Our job choices are;

NIN/MNK/WAR/PLD/BRD/WHM
RDM/BLM/WHM/BRD/SMN
RDM/BLM

We just won the Mimic one as WAR, RDM, BRD on our second attempt so it would be nice to get these all cleared out tonight. If you think it's a possible win and can give some general strats for a small group, that'd be great!

[divisortheory]

If you get lucky and he goes into the 3 rooms without any mobs, should be quite easy. If he does, should be a bit harder. If he does go into the crab room you'll be alitte short on time, so at the third crab room, have him stay inside the room. Then have someone with /THF and stoneskin and blink go aggro everything else in the zone, and Flee back to the entrance (where the NPC starts). Then have the "guide" walk him to the end completely aggro free. Like I said, it's just an idea, but it sounds like it might be doable.

[Koyangi]

If you get lucky and he goes into the 3 rooms without any mobs, should be quite easy. If he does, should be a bit harder. If he does go into the crab room you'll be alitte short on time, so at the third crab room, have him stay inside the room. Then have someone with /THF and stoneskin and blink go aggro everything else in the zone, and Flee back to the entrance (where the NPC starts). Then have the "guide" walk him to the end completely aggro free. Like I said, it's just an idea, but it sounds like it might be doable.

afaik the crabs dont aggro

[NynJa]

If you get lucky and he goes into the 3 rooms without any mobs, should be quite easy. If he does, should be a bit harder. If he does go into the crab room you'll be alitte short on time, so at the third crab room, have him stay inside the room. Then have someone with /THF and stoneskin and blink go aggro everything else in the zone, and Flee back to the entrance (where the NPC starts). Then have the "guide" walk him to the end completely aggro free. Like I said, it's just an idea, but it sounds like it might be doable.

afaik the crabs dont aggro

doesnt matter, he still gets his panties in a bunch from seeing mobs.



about PSC mamook:
I found that positionning yourself in the right spot is the key. For 1 1/2 farming runs, I would physically dodge, change gear, slap, cuss, everything you could think of.....and they would hit me w/ firespit / weapon throws, most of the time. Then, midway through that 2nd run, I just sat my ass down infront of the gate, dead center, as close as possible...and they just missed me more.

[Koyangi]

If you get lucky and he goes into the 3 rooms without any mobs, should be quite easy. If he does, should be a bit harder. If he does go into the crab room you'll be alitte short on time, so at the third crab room, have him stay inside the room. Then have someone with /THF and stoneskin and blink go aggro everything else in the zone, and Flee back to the entrance (where the NPC starts). Then have the "guide" walk him to the end completely aggro free. Like I said, it's just an idea, but it sounds like it might be doable.

afaik the crabs dont aggro

doesnt matter, he still gets his panties in a bunch from seeing mobs.

This was in reference to the THF training the crabs, he would have to hit each crab with a weapon or /ja etc, they don't aggro to follow him via training.

[NynJa]

my bad then

[divisortheory]

If you get lucky and he goes into the 3 rooms without any mobs, should be quite easy. If he does, should be a bit harder. If he does go into the crab room you'll be alitte short on time, so at the third crab room, have him stay inside the room. Then have someone with /THF and stoneskin and blink go aggro everything else in the zone, and Flee back to the entrance (where the NPC starts). Then have the "guide" walk him to the end completely aggro free. Like I said, it's just an idea, but it sounds like it might be doable.

afaik the crabs dont aggro

doesnt matter, he still gets his panties in a bunch from seeing mobs.

This was in reference to the THF training the crabs, he would have to hit each crab with a weapon or /ja etc, they don't aggro to follow him via training.

I wasn't talking about training the crabs. I was talking about training the undead and pugils later on in the zone. There are two scenarios in the beginning:

1) He goes into all 3 rooms without crabs.
2) He goes into all 3 rooms with crabs.

In scenario 1, you never fight a single crab during this entire Assault. In the third room you have him wait there while the trainer trains everything in the zone -except- the crabs back to the start, thus clearing the pathway for the person controlling the NPC to effortlessly take him to the end.

In scenario 2, you fight 9 crabs (3 from each room) during this Assault. In the third room you have him wait there after those 3 crabs are dead while the trainer trains everything else in the zone back to the start, again clearing the pathway for the person controlling the NPC to effortlessly take him to the end.

In scenario 1, it may not be necessary to train anything at all, because you should have quite a bit of time with which you can kill all the undead.

[Russta]

We beat this last night with four of us (MNK, WAR, BRD, RDM) after he decided to go in every mob room then east at point D. I'm really glad we never tried it with three as it seems like it would be impossible without getting very lucky. Our RDM had a nightmare trying to control him to start with but he got it eventually and we won with five minutes left.

Good info, divisortheory.

[divisortheory]

Did you use the training idea? I kinda came up with that spur of the moment lol, never actually tested it.

[Russta]

Nah, what we did was see what room he would run into and, sure enough, it was the first Crab room. Naturally he ran all the way back to the start and our Red Mage had to bring him back but that was when he got to grips with how to handle him. After that we just obliterated everything in the path we knew he was going to take (lol at a T Pugil dying twice as fast as a DC Crab, stupid FFXI), quite easy really.

The Mimic one definitly pissed me off more than this.

[aurik]

I've had him choose a variety of crab and non-crab rooms. It definitely isn't "all or nothing".

[divisortheory]

I've had him choose a variety of crab and non-crab rooms. It definitely isn't "all or nothing".

damn, that's the first i've heard of that -.- all the times i've done it, and everyone else i've talked to, said it was all or nothing. oh well, basic idea is still the same. after the last room, if you're short on time, train everything. if you're not short on time, fight

[aurik]

I've had him choose a variety of crab and non-crab rooms. It definitely isn't "all or nothing".

damn, that's the first i've heard of that -.- all the times i've done it, and everyone else i've talked to, said it was all or nothing. oh well, basic idea is still the same. after the last room, if you're short on time, train everything. if you're not short on time, fight

Yes, my first 2 times he picked "nothing", and then "everything". But since then (and I've done it like 3 more times since then) he's picked a selection. I'm not sure why...maybe we did something that causes him to reselect his route.

[Coren]

Yes, my first 2 times he picked "nothing", and then "everything". But since then (and I've done it like 3 more times since then) he's picked a selection. I'm not sure why...maybe we did something that causes him to reselect his route.

Every time I've done it he's picked 1 or 2 crab rooms, but not the other. All 3 times I've done it, we just killed every mob in the zone, and still had 5 minutes left. We just leave him at the start a min and get a head start, and usually even have 2 people guide him (one in front, one in back seems to work fairly well for my herders).

[Coren]

Also, a completely different question:

I've read that the crab rooms are always the west ones for A and C, and east for B, and that he'll randomly pick one of the rooms in each pair. Is this true?

[Krandor]

I've had him choose a variety of crab and non-crab rooms. It definitely isn't "all or nothing".

damn, that's the first i've heard of that -.- all the times i've done it, and everyone else i've talked to, said it was all or nothing. oh well, basic idea is still the same. after the last room, if you're short on time, train everything. if you're not short on time, fight

Yes, my first 2 times he picked "nothing", and then "everything". But since then (and I've done it like 3 more times since then) he's picked a selection. I'm not sure why...maybe we did something that causes him to reselect his route.

I remember when I did it with you a week or so ago he skipped the first and third rooms and went in the middle one.

Is it possible that where people stand in front of him might affect his path? Like have people "blocking" the way to the crab rooms? I don't remember much about it but since most of the people who were doing the assault had never done it before, most of the group was just kind of standing around at random aside from the BRD leading the NPC down the path.