For Thiefs

[Zigma]

Here's my shot at a BST one

1. Solo or party your way to 75. Solo makes your epeen bigger, but doesn't affect the rest of this post.
2. You join an HNM ls
3. They want you to change jobs, but you don't have another job so you go as BST anyway
4. They're going to sea to fight JoJ, JoF
5. Buy yourself a stack or seven of CourierCarries, because that's all you're EVER going to use.
6. Sit on the sidelines as the rest of your LS kills the jailers.
7. Go with them to Limbus
8. Use CC again.
9. Go with them now to do a BC.
10. Use CC again.
11. Go do an assault in the new ToAU expansion.
12. Use CC again.
13. Ask yourself why you are so fond of CourierCarrie.
14. Go to Dynamis.
15. Again, CC.
16. Deck yourself out in the most uberest of Adaman Abjurations and Juggy axes, rampage some mob in dynamis for 50 damage. {All right!}.
Try your impressive decimation on Kirin for 6 damage.
16.b. Oh, but hey, CourierCarrie does 10k damage over an hour.
17. Home point.
18. Go to your mog house.
19. Change jobs to BRD, BLM, RDM or NIN.
20. Write SE a letter about why BST is MisterMcGimpyGimp at everything end-game.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7828/carrie1pi.jpg


Bst made me one of the riches on the server, so i should be thanking SE.

[epigram]

Actually a bst does fine for Limbus/Assault, and pretty damn useful for dynamis. It's also great for solo, farming, exploring, and can do reasonable damage as a DD for TP burn.

If your ls wants you to all events as another job, and you hate going to events as that other job, then leave the ls. Oh no! you might not get your adaman hauberk, but if your not enjoying the game then why the hell are you playing.

[Sarchar]

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7828/carrie1pi.jpg


Bst made me one of the riches on the server, so i should be thanking SE.

Hey, yeah, Bst is good for making money to level up those other jobs.

[Sarchar]

Actually a bst does fine for Limbus/Assault, and pretty damn useful for dynamis. It's also great for solo, farming, exploring, and can do reasonable damage as a DD for TP burn.

If your ls wants you to all events as another job, and you hate going to events as that other job, then leave the ls. Oh no! you might not get your adaman hauberk, but if your not enjoying the game then why the hell are you playing.

Hey hey hey, don't attack me. I'm a measley little BST who loves the job and plays it whenever he can.

I'm just pointing out that there is a LOT to be desired with the job. Yeah we do "all right" in TP burn parties and yeah we do "all right" for certain Limbus/Assaults. But dynamis? Don't kid yourself. CC doing bubble curtain for the 10th time and a rampage on the boss for 10 damage is not "useful." BST's damage modifier is way out of wack with that compared to a SAM, WAR or DRK. Yes, our pets are factored in to the damage but our only "pets" available* in Dynamis/Limbus/Assault/BCNMs/SoManyOtherThings is CourierCarrie.

I play the game because I enjoy the job. I post here because I know the job needs some work.

*topic officially derailed*


*Available - decently priced, uncapped at 75

[Heian]

Waste of a post, who the fuck chains on deco weapons in sky? that's so 2005

Not bad for NIN burns but the EXP caps around 11K an hour. Too bad the repops are not like 5 minutes instead of 15.

Can do just as well in the new ToAU zones with bigger E-peen chains though. I'll probably never party in sky again if I have the option.

I haven't really seen any of these zones break Uleg Range in total xp/hour though. Maybe after the monetary rewards of partying there cool down the xp might spread out again.

Yeah my friends say there were getting 8K+ without BRD and some gimp melee. I should probably buy the expansion lol....

[epigram]

Or you can be crafty and use CC for all your sacs and not have anyone killed, or you can just use CC to hold a statue or two.

CC/BST is great for a lot of utility applications.

[Zigma]

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7828/carrie1pi.jpg


Bst made me one of the riches on the server, so i should be thanking SE.

x18 =

[Sarchar]

Or you can be crafty and use CC for all your sacs and not have anyone killed, or you can just use CC to hold a statue or two.

CC/BST is great for a lot of utility applications.

That's quite a stretch...thinking that most dynamis leaders have brains and creativity. Most people want to go with "what works" and having BSTs pull mobs in dynamis (although I'm well aware it could be done) just doesn't seem to be on anybody's list

[Wizerd]

Or you can be crafty and use CC for all your sacs and not have anyone killed, or you can just use CC to hold a statue or two.

CC/BST is great for a lot of utility applications.

That's quite a stretch...thinking that most dynamis leaders have brains and creativity. Most people want to go with "what works" and having BSTs pull mobs in dynamis (although I'm well aware it could be done) just doesn't seem to be on anybody's list

Actually, using BST for a pull sounds really nice. Even just for normal pulls. If you link more mobs than normal, the pet dies first and gives a chance for people to react, instead of the puller dying right away.

Sounds like BST could be quite useful in Dynamis, moreso than other jobs. I hate linkshells who use a THF to pull in Dynamis, it's the stupidest thing ever. You sacrafice drops. Use a NIN to pull or something, they don't do anything in there anyway. (Don't tell me they provoke mobs, you're only useful if you can hold hate on 2-3 at a time without dying)

[Sarchar]

Big pic of BSTs+SMNs killing tiamat

Yeah I've done it too, it's quite a bit of fun. But then what?

BST is an absolutely horrible job at the things that require days and days of time investment (read: Sea, Sky).

The fact is BST>Tiamat would not be possible without those Antlions. CourierCarrie just isn't good enough. You're essentially weakened by being in certain zones and I think that's a fault. Whether you agree or not that's up to you.

Honestly, every job has its time and place. Some jobs moreso than others. Some jobs lessso than others--one of these "less-so ones" is BST.

[Sarchar]

Or you can be crafty and use CC for all your sacs and not have anyone killed, or you can just use CC to hold a statue or two.

CC/BST is great for a lot of utility applications.

That's quite a stretch...thinking that most dynamis leaders have brains and creativity. Most people want to go with "what works" and having BSTs pull mobs in dynamis (although I'm well aware it could be done) just doesn't seem to be on anybody's list

Actually, using BST for a pull sounds really nice. Even just for normal pulls. If you link more mobs than normal, the pet dies first and gives a chance for people to react, instead of the puller dying right away.
dying)

BST/NIN makes for a great dynamis puller. Not arguing about that. In Dynamis, though, I WILL argue that Bst does not make a great DD. In fact, it makes a completely worthless and pathetic DD in Dynamis.

[Zigma]

Big pic of BSTs+SMNs killing tiamat

Yeah I've done it too, it's quite a bit of fun. But then what?

BST is an absolutely horrible job at the things that require days and days of time investment (read: Sea, Sky).

The fact is BST>Tiamat would not be possible without those Antlions. CourierCarrie just isn't good enough. You're essentially weakened by being in certain zones and I think that's a fault. Whether you agree or not that's up to you.

Honestly, every job has its time and place. Some jobs moreso than others. Some jobs lessso than others--one of these "less-so ones" is BST.

Sorry, from my experience I can strongly say that I do not agree with you. Carrie Is very decent for wyrms and has a fair amount of HP to last a while if you balance out the load. Have you ever done jormn? You're forced to only use carries.

[edgarfigaro]

Wasn't the first bst/smn wyrm kill Jorgy with an army of CCs?

[Lbelle]

Stop talking about BST and get back to the funny plz

[Tdizzle]

Although I disagree with a thing or two the OP stated as fact in his "this is how a thf works rant" the general idea is right on the money he just went about it a bit wrong.

Look past the rant and pick up the finer details of the job and what can make it a very good one. Pimped thf who knows how to get the most out of his job will beat any other above avg job in the game in a merit pt hands down. Never will it beat a really good mnk/war or even a pimped out ninja(although Ive come within 1-2% of the best one ive seen).

Idea is: stop whining and go grab a buttload of merits and grab full heca/homam/dragon harness/blau dolch and you will smoke any avg player on the server.

[Maxxthepenguin]

So, BSTS, about that HQ antlion jug, I've heard its pretty good.

[Lordwafik]

So, BSTS, about that HQ antlion jug, I've heard its pretty good.

all CoP jugpet HQ pwn, but are stupid.

- high lvl cooking, therefore need to be lvl104 to get a 25% chance at least
- old jugpets = 2 ingredient + water crystal, new jugpet = go collect 5 non stackable, or stackable but stupid area items, then find a cook
- Lasts for a grand whopping 15 minutes!


So Carrie, despite him capping lower, is better on the budget:efficiency ratio. The NQ jugpets all cap in the 50's, are useless for endgame but useful for low level BCNM, however you can usually get a stack of carries for the price of 2 of the NQ jugpets, in other words...

Carrie > CoP

[Suyo]

I thought DEs modifier was DEX and CHR? But most people just pack on the DEX since they use Shark Bite sometimes and usually stack with SA.

Or does STR override the DEX modifier with the attack it adds?

EDIT: How the hell do you fit a STR+Attack, DEX and AGI set into your invent :\ Not to mention you should have some haste stuff, acc stuff etc.

[Sarchar]

- high lvl cooking, therefore need to be lvl104 to get a 25% chance at least
- old jugpets = 2 ingredient + water crystal, new jugpet = go collect 5 non stackable, or stackable but stupid area items, then find a cook
- Lasts for a grand whopping 15 minutes!

Couldn't have said it better. CoP tried to improve in the Jug Pet department but failed miserably. The lv104 cooking really means that those jug pets can be as much as 100k/per...and people want us to use these in burn pts? No, thanks.

[Tahngarthor]

Plural of "Thief" is "Thieves" not "Thiefs"