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[Reality]

I thought DEs modifier was DEX and CHR? But most people just pack on the DEX since they use Shark Bite sometimes and usually stack with SA.

Or does STR override the DEX modifier with the attack it adds?

EDIT: How the hell do you fit a STR+Attack, DEX and AGI set into your invent :\ Not to mention you should have some haste stuff, acc stuff etc.

my THF is only 56, but as i understand it, DEX acts more as a base damage increase to your weapon when using sneak attack, AGI does the same thing when using trick attack (post 60)

people don't swap in gear for "modifiers", as modifiers generally do shit for damage outside of WS's that have STR as a secondary mod (because then STR is calculated twice in the dmg calculation)

in otherwords, forget about modifiers, they're stupid

[Mazim]

I would like to extend my sincere apologies for the grammar/spelling errors. I was on the way out the door, hit submit instead of preview, and was hoping it wouldn't be such an ordeal. I see that my carelessness has offended some of you. Let me know what I can do to make it right, and if it is within my power, I shall grant it.

[Russta]

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World peace.

[Maxxthepenguin]

I would like to extend my sincere apologies for the grammar/spelling errors. I was on the way out the door, hit submit instead of preview, and was hoping it wouldn't be such an ordeal. I see that my carelessness has offended some of you. Let me know what I can do to make it right, and if it is within my power, I shall grant it.

A higher learning rate for my BLU

[edgarfigaro]

- high lvl cooking, therefore need to be lvl104 to get a 25% chance at least
- old jugpets = 2 ingredient + water crystal, new jugpet = go collect 5 non stackable, or stackable but stupid area items, then find a cook
- Lasts for a grand whopping 15 minutes!

Couldn't have said it better. CoP tried to improve in the Jug Pet department but failed miserably. The lv104 cooking really means that those jug pets can be as much as 100k/per...and people want us to use these in burn pts? No, thanks.

Doesn't the average bst make 20,000,000 just leveling to 75? I would think that money would be no object if you actually got invited to a burn party.

[Airshort7]

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[Eaglestrike]

I thought DEs modifier was DEX and CHR? But most people just pack on the DEX since they use Shark Bite sometimes and usually stack with SA.

Or does STR override the DEX modifier with the attack it adds?

EDIT: How the hell do you fit a STR+Attack, DEX and AGI set into your invent :\ Not to mention you should have some haste stuff, acc stuff etc.

That's why gearing for thf is so hard. We have to do Attack/STR/Acc like all other jobs, but we also need Dex and Agi in places we can get it.

[Maxxthepenguin]

I thought DEs modifier was DEX and CHR? But most people just pack on the DEX since they use Shark Bite sometimes and usually stack with SA.

Or does STR override the DEX modifier with the attack it adds?

EDIT: How the hell do you fit a STR+Attack, DEX and AGI set into your invent :\ Not to mention you should have some haste stuff, acc stuff etc.

That's why gearing for thf is so hard. We have to do Attack/STR/Acc like all other jobs, but we also need Dex and Agi in places we can get it.

...I have full sets for TP, WS, Tank, Solo, and Dark magic for my DRK. If you want to play your job in the best way possible, you just do it.

[Lockecole]

I thought DEs modifier was DEX and CHR? But most people just pack on the DEX since they use Shark Bite sometimes and usually stack with SA.

Or does STR override the DEX modifier with the attack it adds?

EDIT: How the hell do you fit a STR+Attack, DEX and AGI set into your invent :\ Not to mention you should have some haste stuff, acc stuff etc.

That's why gearing for thf is so hard. We have to do Attack/STR/Acc like all other jobs, but we also need Dex and Agi in places we can get it.

...I have full sets for TP, WS, Tank, Solo, and Dark magic for my DRK. If you want to play your job in the best way possible, you just do it.

I think what Eagle is trying to say is, its hard to tell whats best for THF for any given situation. Is attack/STR better for WS? Is DEX? Should I go all AGI, or all attack/str for Trick Attack. When I stack SA or TA with my WS, which stats will benefit it most. DEX because its the WS mod, AGI because its what affects TA, or ATT/STR because they help damage altogether.

Even though alot of those answers are easily answerable, I'm just stating that its not like DRK, or WAR where everything is cut and dry. There's alot of debate on what will affect your damage, especially depending on if you have a BRD or not.

[XxSlusherxx]

I thought DEs modifier was DEX and CHR? But most people just pack on the DEX since they use Shark Bite sometimes and usually stack with SA.

Or does STR override the DEX modifier with the attack it adds?

EDIT: How the hell do you fit a STR+Attack, DEX and AGI set into your invent :\ Not to mention you should have some haste stuff, acc stuff etc.

That's why gearing for thf is so hard. We have to do Attack/STR/Acc like all other jobs, but we also need Dex and Agi in places we can get it.

...I have full sets for TP, WS, Tank, Solo, and Dark magic for my DRK. If you want to play your job in the best way possible, you just do it.

I think what Eagle is trying to say is, its hard to tell whats best for THF for any given situation. Is attack/STR better for WS? Is DEX? Should I go all AGI, or all attack/str for Trick Attack. When I stack SA or TA with my WS, which stats will benefit it most. DEX because its the WS mod, AGI because its what affects TA, or ATT/STR because they help damage altogether.

Even though alot of those answers are easily answerable, I'm just stating that its not like DRK, or WAR where everything is cut and dry. There's alot of debate on what will affect your damage, especially depending on if you have a BRD or not.

I was actually wondering this. for TA+SB do attack earrings outperform drone earrings?

[Krandor]

It's greatly mob dependant I think. The Main THFs in my LS will never even touch their Dragon Harness for WSs on higher level NMs, because they need the STR off Hecatomb to cut thru the Mobs VIT.

[Raineer]

I was actually wondering this. for TA+SB do attack earrings outperform drone earrings?

I tested that extensively with a THF the day Assassin was introduced, stacking AGI helped alot more on mobs below EM, and it was a considerable boost (we were duoing so no IT testing.) However these were EM's with no food and no other gear so I greatly greatly doubt that atk was anywhere near capped on them mobs.

Crappy test I know without specifics, but I think AGI in these slots is much better.

[NynJa]

Hecatomb Harness is SHITTTTTTTTTT
SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT


been rotting on my mannequin for about 8 months now.

[Nyanoko]

To the OP:

26. Wait for SE to give you 20 more inventory spaces for all the equipment suggested here.

Seriously..I have a tping set, STR set, crit set, haste set, evasion set....not enough room for pure agi and pure dex sets...

[XxSlusherxx]

for ws burn haste set and tp set are one and the same...

and you can leave your eva set at home.

[Maxxthepenguin]

To the OP:

26. Wait for SE to give you 20 more inventory spaces for all the equipment suggested here.

Seriously..I have a tping set, STR set, crit set, haste set, evasion set....not enough room for pure agi and pure dex sets...

Well you arent always going to need all that gear. Evasion is usually going to be useless in anything party based. Haste and TP are usually the same thing. Crit isn't that many pieces, and some are just not worth it (hai2u Assassin's Vest). You can make room by balancing gear for situations.

[Lockecole]

It's greatly mob dependant I think. The Main THFs in my LS will never even touch their Dragon Harness for WSs on higher level NMs, because they need the STR off Hecatomb to cut thru the Mobs VIT.

Your main THFs need another main job. Perhaps DRG? I heard thats all the rage. You sure your THFs dont think Hecatomb is cool because its a new cool drop they got off of Kirin? ATT+DEX+AGI better for a THF who's already using Sushi, and doesnt need Acc, and all the above named are better then 12STR.

[Mazim]

I think what Eagle is trying to say is, its hard to tell whats best for THF for any given situation. Is attack/STR better for WS? Is DEX? Should I go all AGI, or all attack/str for Trick Attack. When I stack SA or TA with my WS, which stats will benefit it most. DEX because its the WS mod, AGI because its what affects TA, or ATT/STR because they help damage altogether.

Even though alot of those answers are easily answerable, I'm just stating that its not like DRK, or WAR where everything is cut and dry. There's alot of debate on what will affect your damage, especially depending on if you have a BRD or not.

Stop reading KI, and listening to anything anybody says on that thf forum...seriously. That damn forum is half the reason ppl think thfs suck. These questsion are cut, and dry though. Thats the thing. We are no different in any aspect cept we need dex/agi set. Your using SA? You want as much dex as u can get, with the rest in str/atk. Your using TA, you want as much AGI as you can, with the rest in str/atk. Your using TA+DE? Pretty easy again. I mean think about it. TA is a automatic crit. cant be missed, parried, blocked or whatever....so umm...your best bet obviously is to pump as much into AGI with some str/atk...why? Because that first hit of DE is going to be a automatic hit, with crit no matter what. Why waste slots on str/atk to boost the rest of the 4 hits of DE when you can directly pump up the 1st TAed hit of DE with agi? And be gaurenteed that your going to raise your damage without worry of missing, or whatever. As for debate on damage, read what I just posted. Sure maybe using Str/Atk with DE will boost your damage more then Dex, or Agi, but still its not worth it when you can just pump up Agi, or whatever, and be sure that its going to raise your damage. Of course this is only my opinion, and really only effects grouping, and not hnms.

[Lockecole]

I think what Eagle is trying to say is, its hard to tell whats best for THF for any given situation. Is attack/STR better for WS? Is DEX? Should I go all AGI, or all attack/str for Trick Attack. When I stack SA or TA with my WS, which stats will benefit it most. DEX because its the WS mod, AGI because its what affects TA, or ATT/STR because they help damage altogether.

Even though alot of those answers are easily answerable, I'm just stating that its not like DRK, or WAR where everything is cut and dry. There's alot of debate on what will affect your damage, especially depending on if you have a BRD or not.

Stop reading KI, and listening to anything anybody says on that thf forum...seriously. That damn forum is half the reason ppl think thfs suck. These questsion are cut, and dry though. Thats the thing. We are no different in any aspect cept we need dex/agi set. Your using SA? You want as much dex as u can get, with the rest in str/atk. Your using TA, you want as much AGI as you can, with the rest in str/atk. Your using TA+DE? Pretty easy again. I mean think about it. TA is a automatic crit. cant be missed, parried, blocked or whatever....so umm...your best bet obviously is to pump as much into AGI with some str/atk...why? Because that first hit of DE is going to be a automatic hit, with crit no matter what. Why waste slots on str/atk to boost the rest of the 4 hits of DE when you can directly pump up the 1st TAed hit of DE with agi? And be gaurenteed that your going to raise your damage without worry of missing, or whatever. As for debate on damage, read what I just posted. Sure maybe using Str/Atk with DE will boost your damage more then Dex, or Agi, but still its not worth it when you can just pump up Agi, or whatever, and be sure that its going to raise your damage. Of course this is only my opinion, and really only effects grouping, and not hnms.

Read the bolded. I've had my setup for THF set in stone for a year, and I can hit 2k+ DEs in Lufaise. Trust me, I'm not saying I dont know how all this works, Im stating the reasons why people debate on what gear they should use. The discussion is so open, because so many stats affect each action. You cant just say use STR/ATT, you have to test which actually outputs the most damage, and in what situation. Like I stated, most of these answers are easily answerable, but the fact that the debate is even open, shows that its more complicated then your typical DD.

[Krandor]

It's greatly mob dependant I think. The Main THFs in my LS will never even touch their Dragon Harness for WSs on higher level NMs, because they need the STR off Hecatomb to cut thru the Mobs VIT.

Your main THFs need another main job. Perhaps DRG? I heard thats all the rage. You sure your THFs dont think Hecatomb is cool because its a new cool drop they got off of Kirin? ATT+DEX+AGI better for a THF who's already using Sushi, and doesnt need Acc, and all the above named are better then 12STR.

<_<; I'm just going off what I see them equip. I usually see them use Hecatomb Harness over Dragon Harness on WSs for higher level mobs like Tiamat.

I've heard it both ways, some people have told me that Dragon harness does better on WSs, others have told me Hecatomb. I've never checked the actual numbers because I don't care tbh. THF has been sitting at 15 for 2 years and hasn't moved.