1000 NEEDLESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

[Septimus]

Not that I believe everything I find in online guides to be true, but MysteryTour, for some reason, states that 1000 Needles is a physical ability? I was just going off of that, but yeah-I see where it says "magic" in the screenshot. Non rhetorically speaking, why do you think MT says it's physical? No sarcasm intended, I'm just curious where that data must've come from, because according to the trials above, it seems to be true. The JP know something we don't know?

It wouldn't be the first time that an item/spell said something different on the JP client than on the EN client. Trying it with physical accuracy certainly would not hurt.

[Lockecole]

Not that I believe everything I find in online guides to be true, but MysteryTour, for some reason, states that 1000 Needles is a physical ability? I was just going off of that, but yeah-I see where it says "magic" in the screenshot. Non rhetorically speaking, why do you think MT says it's physical? No sarcasm intended, I'm just curious where that data must've come from, because according to the trials above, it seems to be true. The JP know something we don't know?

It wouldn't be the first time that an item/spell said something different on the JP client than on the EN client. Trying it with physical accuracy certainly would not hurt.

Not to mention the fact that 1000 Needles is reduced by things like Jelly Ring, Earth Staff, and Shadow Mantle. Everythings leaning towards Physical IMO.

[bulk]

1000 needles never did less while wearing my blackbelt and i got hit alot fucking around waiting for kv to pop

[Nny]

1000 needles never did less while wearing my blackbelt and i got hit alot fucking around waiting for kv to pop

1000 needles is how people tested -phsyical damage gear since it is static physical damage.

[Raineer]

1000 needles never did less while wearing my blackbelt and i got hit alot fucking around waiting for kv to pop

hmmmmmmmm

Well, what locke says is true... Jelly/Umbra/Genbu's all reduce it, idk why BB wouldn't. I couldn't have farmed Cactus Stems so easily solo without all that help.

[camdon]

I was sure 1000 Needles was gonna be trash for BLUs anyway, especially after seeing the casting time and MP use that it needed.

Maybe try out some Magic Acc+ gear when you get a higher level? Merit Blue Magic when it becomes available? :\

[Maxxthepenguin]

I was sure 1000 Needles was gonna be trash for BLUs anyway, especially after seeing the casting time and MP use that it needed.

Maybe try out some Magic Acc+ gear when you get a higher level? Merit Blue Magic when it becomes available? :\

You can merit blue magic already

[aurik]

Black belt reduces 1000 needles damage by 47.

[camdon]

Maybe they made it magical damage for players so it wouldn't be an overpowered spell? :\

[Kaziel]

Hey Bulk, have you tried doing some tests with 1K Needles to see if it's just mislabled in this case? Maybe take it out for a few tests with a high level BRD giving you double Madrigal and without. ^^ Would be real cool to know if it was not a magical spell.

[Tidusin]

Anyone tried 2hr + 1K needles?

[Jakiss]

kinda to do with the other spells but

what kinda damage u doing with

Sickle Slash
Death scissors
Dimensional death

and do they get resist alot?

[Kuponut]

It could still be physical. SE has been known to write the wrong shit ingame (Hi AF2 THF/PLD, Sidewinder and several other WSs). And I believe the DATs say it's physical too? Which I'd believe before ingame menus.

Going 0/5 with Appolo's Staff and Magic ACC Up backs it being physical up all the more.

Okay then, if SE got it wrong and mislabled it as Magical, then they also put the wrong Icon for it, not to mention that Physical spells have something about accuracy, damage, chance of a status effect varying with TP in the description, so they must have got that wrong as well.

Also, the Galka person said they had macro'd in Scorpion Harness, ate Sushi, etc. when using it on the Toramas.

I don't think anyone really knows if Blue Magic is affected by the elemental staves or not, it is probably covered in the Blue MAge findings thread.

[Kaelan]

If it's a physical attack, couldnt you just test it with Sneak Attack? If I understand it right, resisted physical spells are misses, so SA + Physical spell should never get resisted. If that's right, then a resisted SA Needles would make it magical. If even with 0 acc/macc on an IT mob it doesnt get resisted, it would be physical

[Nny]

Okay then, if SE got it wrong and mislabled it as Magical, then they also put the wrong Icon for it, not to mention that Physical spells have something about accuracy, damage, chance of a status effect varying with TP in the description, so they must have got that wrong as well.

There's no reason to be demeaning. I wasn't stating anything as fact, infact I stated it was hypothetical. And I still stand by it until it's actually tested. Being an ass on a forum does jack shit to finding out information, you aren't helping the BLU community at all. Look at the BLU Findings topic and see how much I've tested and contributed info to the job, I'm trying to help. Trying to put people down is just waisting space, nobody thinks you're clever or cool. We really won't know until it's actually tested in a controlled enviroment, as other people aswell listed several reasons why it could be physical.

Also, the Galka person said they had macro'd in Scorpion Harness, ate Sushi, etc. when using it on the Toramas.

Actually I believe he stated he DIDN'T have sushi when he was fighting Toramas. It wore off and he didn't want to reapply it.

And you want to play that card?

1) When using +ACC gear, sword, fighting IT mobs that are known to be the most evasive mobs in the game, he hit the mob 2 out of 7 times-.

2) Using an elemental staff, with +magic ACC up, fighting VT mobs that are REALLY low evasive, he didn't hit them once out of 5 times.

[Kuponut]

If it's a physical attack, couldnt you just test it with Sneak Attack? If I understand it right, resisted physical spells are misses, so SA + Physical spell should never get resisted. If that's right, then a resisted SA Needles would make it magical

I was being sarcastic towards the people claiming SE got the description wrong, I am bad at it.

I am pretty sure Sneak Attack doesn't stack with AoE

[Maxxthepenguin]

If it's a physical attack, couldnt you just test it with Sneak Attack? If I understand it right, resisted physical spells are misses, so SA + Physical spell should never get resisted. If that's right, then a resisted SA Needles would make it magical

I was being sarcastic towards the people claiming SE got the description wrong, I am bad at it.

I am pretty sure Sneak Attack doesn't stack with AoE

Stacks with claw cyclone

[Kaziel]

Honestly I doubt SA would stack with this ability even if it is physical, nor would TP affect it. I say that just because the spell is meant to always do 1,000 damage spread over whoever's in range, and that's it. At most TP would increase accuracy.
As for SA, it's possible that you just can't SA it, since it's a static damage ability. Can you SA with Spirits Within?

[Razz]

If it's a physical attack, couldnt you just test it with Sneak Attack? If I understand it right, resisted physical spells are misses, so SA + Physical spell should never get resisted. If that's right, then a resisted SA Needles would make it magical

I was being sarcastic towards the people claiming SE got the description wrong, I am bad at it.

I am pretty sure Sneak Attack doesn't stack with AoE

Stacks with claw cyclone

Claw Cyclone is physical, 1000 needles is magical therefore you can't stack SATA with it. Same goes with spirits within and other magic damage abilities.

[Kaelan]

some people say that it must undeniably be physical because of this, some say it must undeniably be magical because of that.

I say we actually test it (which I'm trying to contribute towards, somehow, since my BLU isnt nowhere near that high yet to do it myself) and make sure instead of assuming whatever D: