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    Quote Originally Posted by Daahan
    Quote Originally Posted by Eternus
    Get BRD AF2 Hat... 5 CHR, + 10 singing skill and -3 enmity ftw.. can also eat tacos on top of that lol. Well for xp Turban would be fine.. especially for recasts on shit like finale in KRT where a Sorceror recasts ice spikes right after you pull him with finale lol (well if you party with lazy RDMs). Not like 75 BRD with merits has any problems landing crap on KRT mobs. ToAU mobs seem to be a different story though. Heh macro in AF2 head for all offensive songs (shit casted on mobs) put on the Turban for buffs like ballad, minuet etc. Well depending on how much CHR you have on other slots you can keep on turban for recasts... or if you are crazy enough to merit it lol... 4/5 CHR and 7/8 MP for my dumb ass. I never use my opo crown anymore since I got AF2 head.
    we haven't done a dynamis-san d'oria for ages (cough sendoh and nikkei) so I haven't been able to get BrdAF2 head. If only dynamis could be soloed. Mahatama Hat+1 works just fine for me in the mean time.
    OMG Blue border!

    Quote Originally Posted by Daahan
    lol, pulling BLM skeles in KRT with finale is stupid. Pull with elegy and finale them either as they are running towards or while they are slept.

    I'm not going to merit CHR because I'm an elvaan and I'd rather put those merits in to something else. I have 7/8 MP too and since BRD job merits suck, I just capped out Minuet effect and Lullaby recast.
    Yep, unless you JUST saw them recast spikes (meaning they wont be casting a spell soon), RDM should be pulling with silence and then you Finale, or visa versa, you Elegy and he dispels. I recommend the beforehand, because you don't have to wait for a long spell to be cast. But RDMs are lazy. ^-^/. Ontop of that merited Finale STILL wouldnt be nearly quick enough to recast again before the melee engaged. It might help a little but still too slow. Hit up that Lullaby recast for those Bhaflau Thicket PTs. :wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deimos
    For the longest time, I thought QFT stood for "Quite Fucking True", but I guess I was close enough. Like Brennon says, I think it's pretty obvious from the context it gets used in that the quoted person is being agreed with.
    LOL I thought this too.

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    I used to pull with Elegy on Sorcerors.. but the MNKs sometimes run ahead and hit them before I can stop to cast Finale lol.. so then I have to finale then paralyna them (depending on how good the whm is... or if the RDM actually subbed WHM). That sucks ass more usually.. and they don't always recast spikes.. sometimes then do AM, stun, sleepga, poisonga.. well you know. Finale is fine to pull Sorcerors most the time and if you have an on the ball RDM they will notice it recasting spikes and know your finale recast is shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lockecole
    OMG Blue border!
    bah just Mahatama Hat, you know what I meant.

    Unfortunately, it's extremely difficult to find an apt RDM for a MNK party, but yes that's the perfect thing to do.

    I agree, full lullaby recast merits have been a godsend in Thickets parties.
    ESPECIALLY when a stupid Sea Puk knocks you back in to a Jurik and 3 Mamool Ja.

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    Quote Originally Posted by layoneil
    if you have Sheik Gages, Haste gear does next to nothing for buff recast.
    lmao I am not rich.. I saw them once in a bazaar for 20 mil and I said fuck that shit. So that is a big IF for me.

    Yeah RDM don't pull much in KRT on my server it seems... so not like I see them pull with silence at all. They usually hang back with the WHM and run up to the mob after the MNKs get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eternus
    Yeah RDM don't pull much in KRT on my server it seems... so not like I see them pull with silence at all.
    {I'm sorry.}

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eternus
    Quote Originally Posted by layoneil
    if you have Sheik Gages, Haste gear does next to nothing for buff recast.
    lmao I am not rich.. I saw them once in a bazaar for 20 mil and I said fuck that shit. So that is a big IF for me.

    Yeah RDM don't pull much in KRT on my server it seems... so not like I see them pull with silence at all. They usually hang back with the WHM and run up to the mob after the MNKs get there.
    Do you think RDM should pull in KRT parties?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daahan
    Quote Originally Posted by Eternus
    Quote Originally Posted by layoneil
    if you have Sheik Gages, Haste gear does next to nothing for buff recast.
    lmao I am not rich.. I saw them once in a bazaar for 20 mil and I said fuck that shit. So that is a big IF for me.

    Yeah RDM don't pull much in KRT on my server it seems... so not like I see them pull with silence at all. They usually hang back with the WHM and run up to the mob after the MNKs get there.
    Do you think RDM should pull in KRT parties?
    Not 100%, but bind+silence+grav(if needed)+para+dia2 all on the mob before it's touched by a melee owns the face of tossing on an elegy and running away while waiting on thundaga3 to be cast which also will cause one monk to run up and start punching it in the face which ends up hitting spikes which (since he had to run up to it) will cause blood aggro since we're now running into mobs instead of 'pulling' them and now we have to horde lullaby which means less ballad and less minuet.

    That was a run-on for a reason, good RDM's need to pull almost always. The WHM is there to heal and haste, the BRD can sing and -na, the RDM is almost worthless besides refreshing the WHM and maybe taking a haste, make them pull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daahan
    Quote Originally Posted by Eternus
    Quote Originally Posted by layoneil
    if you have Sheik Gages, Haste gear does next to nothing for buff recast.
    lmao I am not rich.. I saw them once in a bazaar for 20 mil and I said fuck that shit. So that is a big IF for me.

    Yeah RDM don't pull much in KRT on my server it seems... so not like I see them pull with silence at all. They usually hang back with the WHM and run up to the mob after the MNKs get there.
    Do you think RDM should pull in KRT parties?
    No lol.. I never have let them before.. and I get anywhere from 12k to 15k a hour pulling myself. Chain 50+ isn't that hard as long as people aren't retards. That or we kill too fast for repops in the loops. Waiting around for skeles to repop sucks. Whatever works for you I guess. I have no complaints about my merit/xp parties as long as I don't get a MNK who thinks its funny to pull with blood aggro or a RDM that forgets where he is standing when he converts I am fine. A retard could pull 12k a hour in KRT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eternus
    Quote Originally Posted by Daahan
    Quote Originally Posted by Eternus
    Quote Originally Posted by layoneil
    if you have Sheik Gages, Haste gear does next to nothing for buff recast.
    lmao I am not rich.. I saw them once in a bazaar for 20 mil and I said fuck that shit. So that is a big IF for me.

    Yeah RDM don't pull much in KRT on my server it seems... so not like I see them pull with silence at all. They usually hang back with the WHM and run up to the mob after the MNKs get there.
    Do you think RDM should pull in KRT parties?
    No lol.. I never have let them before.. and I get anywhere from 12k to 15k a hour pulling myself. Chain 50+ isn't that hard as long as people aren't retards. That or we kill too fast for repops in the loops. Waiting around for skeles to repop sucks. Whatever works for you I guess. I have no complaints about my merit/xp parties as long as I don't get a MNK who thinks its funny to pull with blood aggro or a RDM that forgets where he is standing when he converts I am fine. A retard could pull 12k a hour in KRT.
    Wow if that's one of your issues, I hardly think your EXP PTs are as good as you think they are. Also, if you're able to chain the circle in KRT, that means you're killing REALLY FUCKING SLOW, and its not worth the pace you're going at.(just cause you're constantly chaining doesnt mean your EXP is quicker then killing as fast as you can.) Ive had to wait as long as 5mins for repops on that circle. KRT is old news, not worth meriting there anymore. 70-74 only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raineer
    Quote Originally Posted by Daahan
    Quote Originally Posted by Eternus
    Quote Originally Posted by layoneil
    if you have Sheik Gages, Haste gear does next to nothing for buff recast.
    lmao I am not rich.. I saw them once in a bazaar for 20 mil and I said fuck that shit. So that is a big IF for me.

    Yeah RDM don't pull much in KRT on my server it seems... so not like I see them pull with silence at all. They usually hang back with the WHM and run up to the mob after the MNKs get there.
    Do you think RDM should pull in KRT parties?
    Not 100%, but bind+silence+grav(if needed)+para+dia2 all on the mob before it's touched by a melee owns the face of tossing on an elegy and running away while waiting on thundaga3 to be cast which also will cause one monk to run up and start punching it in the face which ends up hitting spikes which (since he had to run up to it) will cause blood aggro since we're now running into mobs instead of 'pulling' them and now we have to horde lullaby which means less ballad and less minuet.

    That was a run-on for a reason, good RDM's need to pull almost always. The WHM is there to heal and haste, the BRD can sing and -na, the RDM is almost worthless besides refreshing the WHM and maybe taking a haste, make them pull.
    That's odd. When I do KRT parties (read as: almost never because those parties are stressful) I tend to do most of, if not all of, the hasting.

    Maybe I've just had bad experiences there, but it seems like the WHM is almost always low on MP, meaning I have to take up a lot of the curing duties, have to spam the living shit out of -na spells, and many bards have never heard of a spell called "ballad"- thusly I have to rest whenever I can.

    But it's OK. My WAR is 72, meaning I am just a few levels away from having a fun merit job where I don't have to do most of the work to make sure things go smoothly. :D

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    i have af2 hat and opo crown and all that stuff, but usually i end up wearing genbu kabuto. i rarely get resisted, i rarely need more MP (if i do i put on Royal Cloak for a minute anyway, which uses up head slot), so the only thing left to improve is HP (the VIT helps reduce damage taken too, i guess?). but i'll wear the turban over the kabuto for the MP and the haste.

    and it's not a big deal for SMN (just wearing austere until i get af2 hat, 0/50+ xarcabard runs) but it's just a very good all-purpose item i can imagine wearing a lot under many different circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septimus
    That's odd. When I do KRT parties (read as: almost never because those parties are stressful) I tend to do most of, if not all of, the hasting.

    Maybe I've just had bad experiences there, but it seems like the WHM is almost always low on MP, meaning I have to take up a lot of the curing duties, have to spam the living shit out of -na spells, and many bards have never heard of a spell called "ballad"- thusly I have to rest whenever I can.

    But it's OK. My WAR is 72, meaning I am just a few levels away from having a fun merit job where I don't have to do most of the work to make sure things go smoothly. :D
    My experiences are exactly the opposite, my KRT parties go ten times smoother when the WHM actually handles all the haste and 2 of the -na's (me or the bard will get the 3rd, typically me.) It's the one place where I'm usually out in front of the group, I have melee songs like 98% of the time so the BRD just worries about the WHM. Typically my converts are around chain 26-28, a little later if we get lucky with blood sabers and I get to save some curagas.

    Silence pulling owns all life imo, those few seconds you are waiting while the mob casts whateveraga7 are killers. It's like locke stated, we're not pulling to hold a chain, we're pulling to decimate mobs as fast as humanly possible. Also the point has already been made but if your RDM is the kind that "forgets" when converting and blood aggros, eh...you're not exactly playing with top-notch people there.

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    Maybe its because I'm static with an good bard, but I really see no point in the rdm being main puller. I use to be the main puller back when I partied with bards that never played in KRT before, but its not as efficient. (Mainly because the whm in my party can't keep up their MP levels). Now I only pull when the bard tells me there's a string of sorc. ahead (near the Vrtra door).

    As many people have mentioned above, endless chains in the small circle is way too slow. Its better exp to just kill everything as fast as possible, and restart killing from the beginning (main loop, not the small circle). The difference between the "average" and "great" parties is.. a) time it takes to clear one loop and b) MP rest time between restarts. The best I've had was around 20 min / loop and zero down time.

    Overall, RDM is just there for backup pulls, if the mob dies in the middle of a BRD's song. The RDM is also there as main healer and making up for what the whm isn't doing. (Haste 1-2 players depending on which mage is better at pacing their MP).

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    My contribution to the dumb question thread:

    What is ibtl?

    my apologies in advance, seen it used many times, and it gives me a brainfart each time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterio
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    "I'm bisexual, transexual, and lesbian."

    ...or "in before the lock".

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    lol I never said small loop.. you can wait for repops on the larger loop on the Vrtra half (start near the small round room blah blah).. The Vrtra room run sucks itself due to stoping at chain 45 to 47ish depending on whether Vrtra is being in the way or not. That loop is better.. the secret room loop or whatever is really bad and you have to wait a while for repops lmao. Both if you are killing too fast you are going to wait.. and can endless chain on both. Old loop is more like 10k a hour and the other is 12 to 15k. You assumed what I was talking about. I guess I should have specified what loop. Yes Locke I know how good my xp parties are.. they are pretty good usually. Well good enough for me to leave anywhere between 30k to 50k of xp/merits depending on how long I can keep awake. 2.5 yrs worth of BRD xp at 75 makes me tired and its fucking boring... even when I am pulling. ToAU xp seems hot as hell so far.. and not as dangerous as Ulegrande range.. I would feel better with NIN sub there lol.. fucking fast ass demons.

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    Might I suggest http://urbandictionary.com for any and all acronym and internet lingo questions? >_>;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichthyos
    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterio
    What is ibtl?
    "I'm bisexual, transexual, and lesbian."

    ...or "in before the lock".
    I lol'd for a good 5 minutes at this.

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    How much wind skill / charisma do you sacrifice for a 500+ mp bard setup? lol

    edit: As for merits? I'd finish off minuet and lullaby, then work on wind instrument skill. Summoning magic skill has been proven on multiple occasions to be worthless, and I can see noticable differences with 8/8 wind.

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