ninja gear

[Kazen]

Rampage gorget seems to work decently.

[Lockecole]

lol @ people still using Unshi/Unjo after the TP floor nerf...they sucked pre-patch, and now they suck even worse. Gj guys

QFT. Only redeeming quality for Unji/Unsho was abusing the TP floor even moreso. Now you still get same TP return REGARDLESS OF DELAY. It's all in ratio now, so get Unji/Unsho out of your katana setups.

Edit: Alkys for WS Gear on NIN? Ummm...Blade: Jin rocks when you get Byakko's for a reason. AF1+1 is way better and if not, I'd probably use Bandos for WS if not.

[Dezzimal]

lol @ people still using Unshi/Unjo after the TP floor nerf...they sucked pre-patch, and now they suck even worse. Gj guys

QFT. Only redeeming quality for Unji/Unsho was abusing the TP floor even moreso. Now you still get same TP return REGARDLESS OF DELAY. It's all in ratio now, so get Unji/Unsho out of your katana setups.

Edit: Alkys for WS Gear on NIN? Ummm...Blade: Jin rocks when you get Byakko's for a reason. AF1+1 is way better and if not, I'd probably use Bandos for WS if not.

No no no no no.

Unji+Unsho and Senjuinrikio+Fudo gave the same TP per hit prepatch and postpatch. 5% per hit before, 4.5% per hit after.

[aurik]

Pretty sure that's not true, Dezz. Check Lucy's TP posts on KI.

[Lockecole]

lol @ people still using Unshi/Unjo after the TP floor nerf...they sucked pre-patch, and now they suck even worse. Gj guys

QFT. Only redeeming quality for Unji/Unsho was abusing the TP floor even moreso. Now you still get same TP return REGARDLESS OF DELAY. It's all in ratio now, so get Unji/Unsho out of your katana setups.

Edit: Alkys for WS Gear on NIN? Ummm...Blade: Jin rocks when you get Byakko's for a reason. AF1+1 is way better and if not, I'd probably use Bandos for WS if not.

No no no no no.

Unji+Unsho and Senjuinrikio+Fudo gave the same TP per hit prepatch and postpatch. 5% per hit before, 4.5% per hit after.

Can anyone confirm this? I was under the impression there was NO TP floor anymore. All weapons give TP in ratio to their delay, except for the instances in higher delay weapons now which actually have a bonus to their TP.

[Dezzimal]

Pretty sure that's not true, Dezz. Check Lucy's TP posts on KI.

Which part do you think is false? I've not used unji/unsho. The floor is 4.5% now, can't go below that no matter what you do. The floor used to be 5%.

I know with fudo/senj I didn't get more than 5% tp per swing w/o rajas ring on. I'm looking for those posts now btw.

[Dezzimal]

lol @ people still using Unshi/Unjo after the TP floor nerf...they sucked pre-patch, and now they suck even worse. Gj guys

QFT. Only redeeming quality for Unji/Unsho was abusing the TP floor even moreso. Now you still get same TP return REGARDLESS OF DELAY. It's all in ratio now, so get Unji/Unsho out of your katana setups.

Edit: Alkys for WS Gear on NIN? Ummm...Blade: Jin rocks when you get Byakko's for a reason. AF1+1 is way better and if not, I'd probably use Bandos for WS if not.

No no no no no.

Unji+Unsho and Senjuinrikio+Fudo gave the same TP per hit prepatch and postpatch. 5% per hit before, 4.5% per hit after.

Can anyone confirm this? I was under the impression there was NO TP floor anymore. All weapons give TP in ratio to their delay, except for the instances in higher delay weapons now which actually have a bonus to their TP.

THF w/ scio + blau = 4.5% tp per hit. Just asked the one in my LS.

Myself with two platoon daggers AF body, dusk gloves, fumas, panther mask, AF2 pants also 4.5% tp per hit.

[aurik]

My understanding follows Locke's. No TP "floor" and UU gives less TP per round than Senj/xyz.

Edit: looking for KI post now.

http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=116000

[Dezzimal]

My understanding follows Locke's. No TP "floor" and UU gives less TP per round than Senj/xyz.

Edit: looking for KI post now.

http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=116000

If that post is true, then the difference between unji/unsho and senj/fudo is .2 TP per hit? Thats 2 rajas rings or so? idk how much store tp gives lol.

[aurik]

My understanding follows Locke's. No TP "floor" and UU gives less TP per round than Senj/xyz.

Edit: looking for KI post now.

http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=116000

If that post is true, then the difference between unji/unsho and senj/fudo is .2 TP per hit? Thats 2 rajas rings or so? idk how much store tp gives lol.

UU: ~4.5 TP * 1.05 = 4.7 TP per hit
SF: ~4.7 TP * 1.05 = 4.9 TP per hit.

Pre TP change, both of these setups returned 5.2 TP per hit.

[Lockecole]

lol @ people still using Unshi/Unjo after the TP floor nerf...they sucked pre-patch, and now they suck even worse. Gj guys

QFT. Only redeeming quality for Unji/Unsho was abusing the TP floor even moreso. Now you still get same TP return REGARDLESS OF DELAY. It's all in ratio now, so get Unji/Unsho out of your katana setups.

Edit: Alkys for WS Gear on NIN? Ummm...Blade: Jin rocks when you get Byakko's for a reason. AF1+1 is way better and if not, I'd probably use Bandos for WS if not.

No no no no no.

Unji+Unsho and Senjuinrikio+Fudo gave the same TP per hit prepatch and postpatch. 5% per hit before, 4.5% per hit after.

Can anyone confirm this? I was under the impression there was NO TP floor anymore. All weapons give TP in ratio to their delay, except for the instances in higher delay weapons now which actually have a bonus to their TP.

THF w/ scio + blau = 4.5% tp per hit. Just asked the one in my LS.

Myself with two platoon daggers AF body, dusk gloves, fumas, panther mask, AF2 pants also 4.5% tp per hit.

The fact that you involve Haste gear in determining what TP you get shows you obviously dont know much about how its determined. Asking some THF in your LS, (jobs known to be notoriously bad at what they do) tells me nothing. There is NO TP FLOOR. Thats all Im saying.

[Ichthyos]

As much as I would like to believe you Dezzimal, Lockecole is right. There is no floor.

[Gisele]

As I own all of the above mentioned katanas and have used both sets a considerable amount, to start, the speed difference on U/U compaired to S/F is consderable--numerous additional attacks during a quick burn-style pt with U/U each of which providing an additional chance to double attack. While U/U's rate of achieving 100% tp is not quite as superior to S/F as it was pre-patch, it is still noticeably more rapid none the less and in my strong opinion still has a slight edge in overall damage.

Is the difference enough to justify the cost of the U/U pair? Not on it's own, no, but the sheer fun-factor is still more than worth it if you can afford it. There is no comparison in fun-factor if you are geared to complement the speed. I will never sell/drop my S/F set and truly commend it as a set, but will continue to equip U/U 95 times out of 100 and my hate-time ratio when compaired to other nin's in a burn pt with S/F keep me confident in my choice.

-Gisele

[Dezzimal]

As much as I would like to believe you Dezzimal, Lockecole is right. There is no floor.

Its more of an asymptote than a floor then. I wish to do senj/unji to be honest lol. Crit % is per hand, that I know for sure, which is why I senj mainhand and fudo offhand.

[Lockecole]

As I own all of the above mentioned katanas and have used both sets a considerable amount, to start, the speed difference on U/U compaired to S/F is consderable--numerous additional attacks during a quick burn-style pt with U/U each of which providing an additional chance to double attack. While U/U's rate of achieving 100% tp is not quite as superior to S/F as it was pre-patch, it is still noticeably more rapid none the less and in my strong opinion still has a slight edge in overall damage.
-Gisele

What part of IT NOT BEING SUPERIOR IN ANYWAY don't you get? In fact, short of multi-hit weapons, 2handed weapons now gain TP quicker then dual-wielding. (as long as you wear equal and appropriate haste gear.)

Not on it's own, no, but the sheer fun-factor is still more than worth it if you can afford it.

I digress though, the simple fact that its fun must mean its a superior setup.

[Ant]

As I own all of the above mentioned katanas and have used both sets a considerable amount, to start, the speed difference on U/U compared to S/F is considerable--numerous additional attacks during a quick burn-style pt with U/U each of which providing an additional chance to double attack. While U/U's rate of achieving 100% tp is not quite as superior to S/F as it was pre-patch, it is still noticeably more rapid none the less and in my strong opinion still has a slight edge in overall damage.

Is the difference enough to justify the cost of the U/U pair? Not on it's own, no, but the sheer fun-factor is still more than worth it if you can afford it. There is no comparison in fun-factor if you are geared to complement the speed. I will never sell/drop my S/F set and truly commend it as a set, but will continue to equip U/U 95 times out of 100 and my hate-time ratio when compaired to other nin's in a burn pt with S/F keep me confident in my choice.

-Gisele

agree 100% because of experience owning both pairs. S/F equipped NIN's cant take hate from U/U with same gear equipped on hnm/god; burn exp is too random. Done tests over and over. Take 2 nins same gear except U/U and S/F have them dual tank a long fight with a NM/HNM/God and the U/U nin always has hate planted. Voke from s/f nin doesn't do anything to pull it off. I don't know why & if someone does explain. for now im using u/u until this changes and keeping s/f in the safe. more swings = more hate as far as i can tell

[Lockecole]

As I own all of the above mentioned katanas and have used both sets a considerable amount, to start, the speed difference on U/U compared to S/F is considerable--numerous additional attacks during a quick burn-style pt with U/U each of which providing an additional chance to double attack. While U/U's rate of achieving 100% tp is not quite as superior to S/F as it was pre-patch, it is still noticeably more rapid none the less and in my strong opinion still has a slight edge in overall damage.

Is the difference enough to justify the cost of the U/U pair? Not on it's own, no, but the sheer fun-factor is still more than worth it if you can afford it. There is no comparison in fun-factor if you are geared to complement the speed. I will never sell/drop my S/F set and truly commend it as a set, but will continue to equip U/U 95 times out of 100 and my hate-time ratio when compaired to other nin's in a burn pt with S/F keep me confident in my choice.

-Gisele

agree 100% because of experience owning both pairs. S/F equipped NIN's cant take hate from U/U with same gear equipped on hnm/god; burn exp is too random. Done tests over and over. Take 2 nins same gear except U/U and S/F have them dual tank a long fight with a NM/HNM/God and the U/U nin always has hate planted. Voke from s/f nin doesn't do anything to pull it off. I don't know why & if someone does explain. for now im using u/u until this changes and keeping s/f in the safe. more swings = more hate as far as i can tell

I'm convinced. Obviously the only factor in holding hate is your main weapons. Gear/merits, outside factors have no bearing whatsoever.

On an outside note, what of merit does a NIN tank with Katanas anyway?

[Dezzimal]

As I own all of the above mentioned katanas and have used both sets a considerable amount, to start, the speed difference on U/U compared to S/F is considerable--numerous additional attacks during a quick burn-style pt with U/U each of which providing an additional chance to double attack. While U/U's rate of achieving 100% tp is not quite as superior to S/F as it was pre-patch, it is still noticeably more rapid none the less and in my strong opinion still has a slight edge in overall damage.

Is the difference enough to justify the cost of the U/U pair? Not on it's own, no, but the sheer fun-factor is still more than worth it if you can afford it. There is no comparison in fun-factor if you are geared to complement the speed. I will never sell/drop my S/F set and truly commend it as a set, but will continue to equip U/U 95 times out of 100 and my hate-time ratio when compaired to other nin's in a burn pt with S/F keep me confident in my choice.

-Gisele

agree 100% because of experience owning both pairs. S/F equipped NIN's cant take hate from U/U with same gear equipped on hnm/god; burn exp is too random. Done tests over and over. Take 2 nins same gear except U/U and S/F have them dual tank a long fight with a NM/HNM/God and the U/U nin always has hate planted. Voke from s/f nin doesn't do anything to pull it off. I don't know why & if someone does explain. for now im using u/u until this changes and keeping s/f in the safe. more swings = more hate as far as i can tell

I'm convinced. Obviously the only factor in holding hate is your main weapons. Gear/merits, outside factors have no bearing whatsoever.

On an outside note, what of merit does a NIN tank with Katanas anyway?

fafnir? seen it done.

[aurik]

As I own all of the above mentioned katanas and have used both sets a considerable amount, to start, the speed difference on U/U compared to S/F is considerable--numerous additional attacks during a quick burn-style pt with U/U each of which providing an additional chance to double attack. While U/U's rate of achieving 100% tp is not quite as superior to S/F as it was pre-patch, it is still noticeably more rapid none the less and in my strong opinion still has a slight edge in overall damage.

Is the difference enough to justify the cost of the U/U pair? Not on it's own, no, but the sheer fun-factor is still more than worth it if you can afford it. There is no comparison in fun-factor if you are geared to complement the speed. I will never sell/drop my S/F set and truly commend it as a set, but will continue to equip U/U 95 times out of 100 and my hate-time ratio when compaired to other nin's in a burn pt with S/F keep me confident in my choice.

-Gisele

agree 100% because of experience owning both pairs. S/F equipped NIN's cant take hate from U/U with same gear equipped on hnm/god; burn exp is too random. Done tests over and over. Take 2 nins same gear except U/U and S/F have them dual tank a long fight with a NM/HNM/God and the U/U nin always has hate planted. Voke from s/f nin doesn't do anything to pull it off. I don't know why & if someone does explain. for now im using u/u until this changes and keeping s/f in the safe. more swings = more hate as far as i can tell

I'm convinced. Obviously the only factor in holding hate is your main weapons. Gear/merits, outside factors have no bearing whatsoever.

On an outside note, what of merit does a NIN tank with Katanas anyway?

fafnir? seen it done.

Of merit...

[Dezzimal]

oh I forgot this is BG where the only things "of merit" are AV and CoP wyrms.