Turban Vs. Shura Kabuto??

[aurik]

1) Hay lol remember this page? Lol, tunnelvision... Also recall where he said comparing PCC to Faith was like comparing Joy to Ridill... "Not well thought out" indeed.

seeing what you want to see...

I was comparing effort/drop rates from rid/joy to faith/pcc, NOT comparing usefulness. I fucking said this in like 20 different posts, but you didnt want to understand it. Do you honestly think I value ridill in equivalent to joyeuse in terms of power / usefulness ??

Hey lol remember this page:
http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/viewto ... &start=480

that first post seems to state that by your reasoning of torque being shit because its so hard to obtain, then joyeuse > ridill based on ridill's difficulty to obtain.

Keep reading, to the point where you claim that it's a valid comparison because the torque is way better than PCC.

[NynJa]

1) Hay lol remember this page? Lol, tunnelvision... Also recall where he said comparing PCC to Faith was like comparing Joy to Ridill... "Not well thought out" indeed.

seeing what you want to see...

I was comparing effort/drop rates from rid/joy to faith/pcc, NOT comparing usefulness. I fucking said this in like 20 different posts, but you didnt want to understand it. Do you honestly think I value ridill in equivalent to joyeuse in terms of power / usefulness ??

Hey lol remember this page:
http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/viewto ... &start=480

that first post seems to state that by your reasoning of torque being shit because its so hard to obtain, then joyeuse > ridill based on ridill's difficulty to obtain.

Keep reading, to the point where you claim that it's a valid comparison because the torque is way better than PCC.

I'm talking to a brick wall...
check that, a brick wall puts up a better argument.



Aurik, you're right. Faith Torque sucks. Sushi sucks. You're god. SH+1 is the best body piece for mnk in the game.

[aurik]

I'm a brick wall...
check that, a brick wall puts up a better argument.



Aurik, you're right. Faith Torque sucks. Sushi sucks. You're god. SH+1 is the best body piece for mnk in the game.

Fixed.

I never said Faith Torque sucks. Sushi is ok, I get better numbers out of meat. I am not god but I am a dick. And SH+1 is the best body piece for a Mnk who hasn't ever done sky.

Anything else?

[Xavier]

I'm a brick wall...
check that, a brick wall puts up a better argument.



Aurik, you're right. Faith Torque sucks. Sushi sucks. You're god. SH+1 is the best body piece for mnk in the game.

Fixed.

I never said Faith Torque sucks. Sushi is ok, I get better numbers out of meat. I am not god but I am a dick. And SH+1 is the best body piece for a Mnk who hasn't ever done sky.

Anything else?

Does this dress make me look fat?

[aurik]

I'm a brick wall...
check that, a brick wall puts up a better argument.



Aurik, you're right. Faith Torque sucks. Sushi sucks. You're god. SH+1 is the best body piece for mnk in the game.

Fixed.

I never said Faith Torque sucks. Sushi is ok, I get better numbers out of meat. I am not god but I am a dick. And SH+1 is the best body piece for a Mnk who hasn't ever done sky.

Anything else?

Does this dress make me look fat?

Post pic plz.

[Xavier]

Too shy.

[Machazareel]

Not that Nynja's arguments are always particularly well thought out, but the AV thread was full of "omg sea sucks and so do all things from sea no matter what". Doesn't require tunnelvision to see that. Pretty much every freaking form of loot in this game requires MASSIVE work for low chances of reward. Of all the Jailers, Faith quite possibly requires the least work out of any of the mobs in sea.

Also saying "X is good too but my parser says Y is better, numbers back me up" isn't saying there's different effective ways to do things. Its saying your way is the best way and everyone that doesn't agree is too dumb to read numbers.

Combine singing the praises of attack food with claiming the skill torques (which are a small acc loss for attack gain compared to Peacock) and you have an endless source of flame wars, kinda like exactly what's happening.

I'm still under the impression that weapon skill with accuracy works much like evasion skill with evasion. Anyone can tell you that a point of evasion skill is about 3x as effective as a point of evasion. Weapon skill merits would not be such a big deal if this weren't the case for accuracy. You could just slap on 1 extra piece of accuracy gear and match someone with merits whose replaced that item with something like attack +10. Now your difference is some 20 attack, which in the long run makes the meritted player do more damage, but not by much, and certainly not by as much as "parsers" show.

Moral of the story: the Faith Torque would be better than PCC, for both accuracy and attack, but it's a fucking bitch to get so I don't care.

It's been proven that 1 weapon skill give less than 1.0 point of accuracy at 75. Pretty sure they're totally different mechanics.

Hmm, well the idea behind the evasion side of it is that when you add more skill, you're essentially gaining in level, closing the gap between the mob's accuracy "level" and your evasion "level," whereas normal evasion just increases the chance of evading a hit, better. Different mechanics, yes, but (at least on the evasion side of things) one is more effective than the other. *shrug*

Speaking as someone who is currently levelling monk with a bnch of h2h merits.... I can easily see where that train of thought comes from, but my experience with having merits while xp'ing seem to indicate otherwise. My merits would essentially put me 2 levels higher than I already am through that reasoning, though the acc increase isn't anywhere close to how it was for me to actually be two levels higher on mobs with jobs I've levelled in the past.
I used to think the same way as well, hence the merits and such, but after all this, I'm convinced that your actual level plays a big role in your accuracy. That sort of also would explain how I can easily land hits when skilling up weapons that are far from what the cap should be. A good example was when I was skilling h2h on my nin a long time ago. Fought Robber Crabs starting at about 103 h2h skill, and really didn't have any trouble connecting, despite having the 'skill' of a level 30ish monk.
The same case appears to be evident with my thf friend, who has capped evasion merits, and is currently levelling nin. His evasion isn't really noticably higher than mine was when levelling nin on the same mobs.

So merits certainly do increase your acc and att, but the accuracy side of raw skill seems to be based on more than combat skill level and acc gear.

Dunno if anyone else here levelled other jobs and put merits into their combat skills, but that was my experience with it at least.. Needless to say, the results are somewhat disappointing D:

EDIT: Well, there are still certain perks to it... Howling Fist at 58 and Dragon Kick at 63, lol <.<

[Ollieyk]

And SH+1 is the best body piece for a Mnk who hasn't ever done sky.

Get in Sky and stop gimping yourself then.

[aurik]

And SH+1 is the best body piece for a Mnk who hasn't ever done sky.

Get in Sky and stop gimping yourself then.

Sorry, you don't sign my paycheques, you don't get to order me around.

[Ryko]

I do *whip* get me some ulli stones.

[aurik]

I do *whip* get me some ulli stones.

[aers]

I sure would like a haidate.

[Ryko]

I bet you would

You know in the time you've been on fairy you could have capped out like 3 jobs with us already.

[aurik]

I sure would like a haidate.

You didn't get one after all the faf botting you did for TG?? :wink:

[Ryko]

He claimed fafnir last week y'know.

[aers]

I have 10 days and 7 hours of playtime on a level 7 (was 11, i deleveled, hurricane wing, etc.) that's been in aery for about 9 days of that. woot.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Speaking as someone who is currently levelling monk with a bnch of h2h merits.... I can easily see where that train of thought comes from, but my experience with having merits while xp'ing seem to indicate otherwise. My merits would essentially put me 2 levels higher than I already am through that reasoning, though the acc increase isn't anywhere close to how it was for me to actually be two levels higher on mobs with jobs I've levelled in the past.
I used to think the same way as well, hence the merits and such, but after all this, I'm convinced that your actual level plays a big role in your accuracy. That sort of also would explain how I can easily land hits when skilling up weapons that are far from what the cap should be. A good example was when I was skilling h2h on my nin a long time ago. Fought Robber Crabs starting at about 103 h2h skill, and really didn't have any trouble connecting, despite having the 'skill' of a level 30ish monk.
The same case appears to be evident with my thf friend, who has capped evasion merits, and is currently levelling nin. His evasion isn't really noticably higher than mine was when levelling nin on the same mobs.

So merits certainly do increase your acc and att, but the accuracy side of raw skill seems to be based on more than combat skill level and acc gear.

Dunno if anyone else here levelled other jobs and put merits into their combat skills, but that was my experience with it at least.. Needless to say, the results are somewhat disappointing D:

With the RNG update they mentioned Ranged Accuracy being adjusted to be based partially on level, similar to melee attacks, so I believe you're right.

[Alleya]

The concept of base accuracy is not a new theory.

[Machazareel]

New to me, since I haven't read anything about it, just found shit out while doing stuff D:

[BRP]

And SH+1 is the best body piece for a Mnk who buys gil.