Turban Vs. Shura Kabuto??

[Brennon]

Not to mention with 3 MNKs your highest chain was chain 17?

Pretty sure we broke #100 in that pt, or at least got close. parser doesn't like recording high chain numbers for some reason.

Lol? On a VT mob that is WEAK to your weapon type? Wow...just when I think you have some merit to your argument you say something like this.

No, average the whole time (noncrit). Which includes ghosts. which includes that nasty atk down move that ghosts have. That skews the parser low a bit, but tends to skew it for everyone the same.

[NynJa]

Lol? On a VT mob that is WEAK to your weapon type? Wow...just when I think you have some merit to your argument you say something like this.

No, average the whole time (noncrit). Which includes ghosts. which includes that nasty atk down move that ghosts have. That skews the parser low a bit, but tends to skew it for everyone the same.

uh....

Per-mob Mean Damage
==========================

Hati
===============
Name Overall Norm Crit
Aurik 100.455927 91.730496 152.808511
Brennon 125.045346 118.364238 185.819277
Tavian 111.897695 102.529010 162.731481

Spartoi Sorcerer
===============
Name Overall Norm Crit
Aurik 105.779010 96.000986 168.531646
Brennon 126.803758 119.601841 197.123596
Tavian 114.429348 104.177806 178.440945

Lemures
===============
Name Overall Norm Crit
Aurik 61.747951 56.032941 100.301587
Brennon 70.562500 66.189560 114.777778
Tavian 67.833333 61.341615 109.640000

Spartoi Warrior
===============
Name Overall Norm Crit
Aurik 106.605300 96.138589 161.681223
Brennon 134.034483 124.588018 211.097744
Tavian 116.094690 107.370558 175.358621
==========================

Though youre reply to lockecole's post was completely out of context.

[Wizerd]

Every sushi user I've ever parsed averages in the low 80s or worse. You must be "Special"

Hmm I average about 90-95 damage per fist in KRT parties with sushi, and that was with Indra Katars... Is your WHM making sure to cast at least Banish 1 on every mob (including skeletons)? Even tier 1 banish makes a hell of a difference. (Yes, with Minuet/March)

[aurik]

Here's my homemade parser:

label: print "sushi sucks!"
print "meat rules!"
sleep 10
goto label

No really...my parser doesn't draw any conclusions...it just tells me facts...

http://aurikan.despayre.org/sparse.txt

So...let me get this right, your highest Asuran Fist was 1182, and you're proud of your build? Not to mention with 3 MNKs your highest chain was chain 17? Sorry if Im not reading this, but if all of this is indeed right...then I don't even know why Im arguing. (my sushi using MNK friend spits out 1400 Asurans like its noones business. No I'm not bragging, it's the truth.) And yes I realize alot of the damage of a meat build comes from your DoT, but when your Asuran's are that low, there's something wrong. Did you guys not have a BRD?

Somehow I manage to get close in overall DD to someone with Spharai and much better gear than mine. I also pretty much crush anyone else that I pt with, save a very select group of people who also do similar damage to me. So yea, I'm pretty proud.

Sure, my individual numbers don't look that impressive. But it works, and it's because I understand the math behind DD, and I push the resources available to me to the max.

[aurik]

Every sushi user I've ever parsed averages in the low 80s or worse. You must be "Special"

Hmm I average about 90-95 damage per fist in KRT parties with sushi, and that was with Indra Katars... Is your WHM making sure to cast at least Banish 1 on every mob (including skeletons)? Even tier 1 banish makes a hell of a difference. (Yes, with Minuet/March)

You're getting double minuets. We're getting march and attacking way faster than you.

[Tyche]

Didnt muze say that spharia marginally outparsed destroyers?

[NynJa]

Remember when the monk with Sphirai lost in ballista to a pld.

[aurik]

Lol? On a VT mob that is WEAK to your weapon type? Wow...just when I think you have some merit to your argument you say something like this.

No, average the whole time (noncrit). Which includes ghosts. which includes that nasty atk down move that ghosts have. That skews the parser low a bit, but tends to skew it for everyone the same.

uh....
[quote:3a7f3]
Per-mob Mean Damage
==========================

Hati
===============
Name Overall Norm Crit
Aurik 100.455927 91.730496 152.808511
Brennon 125.045346 118.364238 185.819277
Tavian 111.897695 102.529010 162.731481

Spartoi Sorcerer
===============
Name Overall Norm Crit
Aurik 105.779010 96.000986 168.531646
Brennon 126.803758 119.601841 197.123596
Tavian 114.429348 104.177806 178.440945

Lemures
===============
Name Overall Norm Crit
Aurik 61.747951 56.032941 100.301587
Brennon 70.562500 66.189560 114.777778
Tavian 67.833333 61.341615 109.640000

Spartoi Warrior
===============
Name Overall Norm Crit
Aurik 106.605300 96.138589 161.681223
Brennon 134.034483 124.588018 211.097744
Tavian 116.094690 107.370558 175.358621
==========================

Though youre reply to lockecole's post was completely out of context.[/quote:3a7f3]

Right, hati aren't weak to blunt, and the other 2 are an average @96.

But overall average is a better measure than non-crit average, because I have a greatly enhanced crit rate.

[Krandor]

Every sushi user I've ever parsed averages in the low 80s or worse. You must be "Special"

Hmm I average about 90-95 damage per fist in KRT parties with sushi, and that was with Indra Katars... Is your WHM making sure to cast at least Banish 1 on every mob (including skeletons)? Even tier 1 banish makes a hell of a difference. (Yes, with Minuet/March)

You're getting double minuets. We're getting march and attacking way faster than you.

Didn't he just say he was Geting Minuet/March? <.<;

[aurik]

Every sushi user I've ever parsed averages in the low 80s or worse. You must be "Special"

Hmm I average about 90-95 damage per fist in KRT parties with sushi, and that was with Indra Katars... Is your WHM making sure to cast at least Banish 1 on every mob (including skeletons)? Even tier 1 banish makes a hell of a difference. (Yes, with Minuet/March)

You're getting double minuets. We're getting march and attacking way faster than you.

Didn't he just say he was Geting Minuet/March? <.<;

I call BS on sushi with min/march averaging in the 90s.

[Wizerd]

Every sushi user I've ever parsed averages in the low 80s or worse. You must be "Special"

Hmm I average about 90-95 damage per fist in KRT parties with sushi, and that was with Indra Katars... Is your WHM making sure to cast at least Banish 1 on every mob (including skeletons)? Even tier 1 banish makes a hell of a difference. (Yes, with Minuet/March)

You're getting double minuets. We're getting march and attacking way faster than you.

No no, I had march. The party I get this from didn't last more than an hour though, so I might attribute it to small sample size.

I call BS on sushi with min/march averaging in the 90s.

It's actually not that hard when every pull has the Banish effect on it. The WHM I partied with has WHM AF2 gloves, so we make sure she uses it every fight.

[Machazareel]

Banish removes melee resistance of undead. It doesn't strengthen the blunt weakness on bones. A whm shouldn't bother banishing bones unless non-mnks are meleeing the mob.

[Lockecole]

Every sushi user I've ever parsed averages in the low 80s or worse. You must be "Special"

Hmm I average about 90-95 damage per fist in KRT parties with sushi, and that was with Indra Katars... Is your WHM making sure to cast at least Banish 1 on every mob (including skeletons)? Even tier 1 banish makes a hell of a difference. (Yes, with Minuet/March)

You're getting double minuets. We're getting march and attacking way faster than you.

Didn't he just say he was Geting Minuet/March? <.<;

I call BS on sushi with min/march averaging in the 90s.

And yet a Minuet III+IV /sushi MNK would still have less attack then a March/Minuet MNK using Meat, so how can you explain the lackluster numbers?

[NynJa]

I call BS on sushi with min/march averaging in the 90s.

You call BS on anything that can be positive to sushi though....
onetrack mind/clouded vision.

[Wizerd]

Banish removes melee resistance of undead. It doesn't strengthen the blunt weakness on bones. A whm shouldn't bother banishing bones unless non-mnks are meleeing the mob.

Uh, no. It lowers defense on undead mobs, and it's notable on bones, as well as the others. Not to mention it clearly states it in the description of merit upgrade, and the gloves, and the merits change how effective the defense down is.

[Machazareel]

The description and what actually happens are two different things =\
And it's not the only case of descriptions doing something completely different that what they say.

Banish on bones = wasted mp, and every whm with krt experience knows this.

Ghosts don't take damage like beasts because of their def, it's from their innate melee resistance.

[Wizerd]

The description and what actually happens are two different things =\
And it's not the only case of descriptions doing something completely different that what they say.

Banish on bones = wasted mp, and every whm with krt experience knows this.

Ghosts don't take damage like beasts because of their def, it's from their innate melee resistance.

Because you know, bringing an average ~80-85 per hit on bones up to ~90-95 per hit does nothing, right? That's a waste of MP, of course.

[Tyche]

I dont usually banish the bones (on WHM) cuz they die too fast, and if you dont lower your kill time somewhat, the chain will break. due to lack of repops

[Nagamaki]

Perhaps your mages should get to know the spell known as "Banish" which you use on ghosts so they take normal damage, and the spell "Erase" that you use to remove Terror Touch. About banish on undead, if I WHM a KRT PT I'll usually toss a b1 on stuff since it costs nothing, the actual usefulness of it is open to debate. As MNK on the bones, can't say I notice any difference, while the effect on ghosts is monstrously obvious.

March/Minuet is the best (no contest during berserk), whenever I party in KRT I ask for that combination but other MNKs generally ask for double minuets. When I say "other mnks" I mean in general, in the real world people use food situationnally, not because they are "sushi eaters" or "meat eaters" hardwired for the same type always. Aside from that the BRD has a lot of stuff to do so quite often only 1 song is up. Those WS numbers wouldn't be impressive with sushi and a single minuet, let alone with meat.

[aurik]

[quote=Lockecole]

Every sushi user I've ever parsed averages in the low 80s or worse. You must be "Special"

Hmm I average about 90-95 damage per fist in KRT parties with sushi, and that was with Indra Katars... Is your WHM making sure to cast at least Banish 1 on every mob (including skeletons)? Even tier 1 banish makes a hell of a difference. (Yes, with Minuet/March)

You're getting double minuets. We're getting march and attacking way faster than you.

Didn't he just say he was Geting Minuet/March? <.<;

I call BS on sushi with min/march averaging in the 90s.

And yet a Minuet III+IV /sushi MNK would still have less attack then a March/Minuet MNK using Meat, so how can you explain the lackluster numbers?[/quote:7a37d]

Lackluster asuran numbers? The fact that sushi mnks pump strength for spike damage. I pump accuracy for consistence. They may outdamage me on asurans but down the stretch I blow them away.