Why ToAU Fails

[NynJa]

Same as how you dont only wear a 3% haste armor as your only haste gear, I think the algol is best paired up with homam body for TP gain. That puts it at 8% if I remember right.

Well, for DRK anyway.

Are you trying to fucking say that a weapon/body combination of D85/489 ATK+3 Triple+8% ACC+15 Add:Fire dmg is better than D84/480 STR+14 INT+2 DEX+10 ATK+15 ACC+15 (I'll assume most people with an Algol have an Adaman Hauberk)


And you're going to tell me that I'm the one getting dumber ??

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Same as how you dont only wear a 3% haste armor as your only haste gear, I think the algol is best paired up with homam body for TP gain. That puts it at 8% if I remember right.

Well, for DRK anyway.

Are you trying to fucking say that a weapon/body combination of D85/489 ATK+3 Triple+8% ACC+15 Add:Fire dmg is better than D84/480 STR+14 INT+2 DEX+10 ATK+15 ACC+15 (I'll assume most people with an Algol have an Adaman Hauberk)


And you're going to tell me that I'm the one getting dumber ??

...equip switches...

[NynJa]

I fail to see how 1 less damage and 9 less delay is better than 3% Triple attack and 3 more attack. That 1 less damage makes a difference.

And the STR+4 and the INT+2, both mods on both spin and ground strike.

Triple Attack+3% is pathetic on a job with a retardedly high delay and no base triple attack.

[Lordwafik]

Same as how you dont only wear a 3% haste armor as your only haste gear, I think the algol is best paired up with homam body for TP gain. That puts it at 8% if I remember right.

Well, for DRK anyway.

Are you trying to fucking say that a weapon/body combination of D85/489 ATK+3 Triple+8% ACC+15 Add:Fire dmg is better than D84/480 STR+14 INT+2 DEX+10 ATK+15 ACC+15 (I'll assume most people with an Algol have an Adaman Hauberk)


And you're going to tell me that I'm the one getting dumber ??

There we go spazzing out again.

NO. I am saying , like with haste how wearing only 1 peice of haste gear to benefit yourself in getting haste doesnt do shit, you stack it on. Same for another job trying to benefit into squeezing all they can out of fast cast (wearing fast cast items), or Double Attack (getting brutal earring and subbing WAR, well this works even without it), or *heaven forbid* some drk wants to have his triple attacks go off more than 3%.

Instead of taking things so literally and mashing that quote button right away, how about you take the time to think first?

[NynJa]

Same as how you dont only wear a 3% haste armor as your only haste gear, I think the algol is best paired up with homam body for TP gain. That puts it at 8% if I remember right.

Well, for DRK anyway.

Are you trying to fucking say that a weapon/body combination of D85/489 ATK+3 Triple+8% ACC+15 Add:Fire dmg is better than D84/480 STR+14 INT+2 DEX+10 ATK+15 ACC+15 (I'll assume most people with an Algol have an Adaman Hauberk)


And you're going to tell me that I'm the one getting dumber ??

...equip switches...

Ok, so TP gain

Triple Attack+5% (thats the current guess on Homam Corazza, though some people claim its less) Accuacy+15 versus STR+10 DEX+10 Attack+15 Accuracy+15.

Lets simplify this:
Triple Attack+5% > STR+10 DEX+10 Attack+15 ??



Are you high ?!?

[aurik]

I fail to see how 1 less damage and 9 less delay is better than 3% Triple attack and 3 more attack. That 1 less damage makes a difference.

And the STR+4 and the INT+2, both mods on both spin and ground strike.

Triple Attack+3% is pathetic on a job with a retardedly high delay and no base triple attack.

When you start talking about modifiers we know that you're grasping at straws...

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Same as how you dont only wear a 3% haste armor as your only haste gear, I think the algol is best paired up with homam body for TP gain. That puts it at 8% if I remember right.

Well, for DRK anyway.

Are you trying to fucking say that a weapon/body combination of D85/489 ATK+3 Triple+8% ACC+15 Add:Fire dmg is better than D84/480 STR+14 INT+2 DEX+10 ATK+15 ACC+15 (I'll assume most people with an Algol have an Adaman Hauberk)


And you're going to tell me that I'm the one getting dumber ??

...equip switches...

Ok, so TP gain

Triple Attack+5% (thats the current guess on Homam Corazza, though some people claim its less) Accuacy+15 versus STR+10 DEX+10 Attack+15 Accuracy+15.

Lets simplify this:
Triple Attack+5% > STR+10 DEX+10 Attack+15 ??



Are you high ?!?

No, but any DRK who uses Great Sword, even this beauty, over Scythe for DoT is. For fast tp gain this + corazza = greatness.

[Wizerd]

Lets simplify this:
Triple Attack+5% > STR+10 DEX+10 Attack+15 ??

I'd say yes, 5% more triple attack would do more damage in the end than the alternative. Add that onto the fact that you can switch body pieces for WS, and you have a winning combination.

[NynJa]

No, but any DRK who uses Great Sword, even this beauty, over Scythe for DoT is. For fast tp gain this + corazza = greatness.

uh....ok so...
Corazza is a presumed 5% triple attack, and Algol is 3%. That's 8%. So that means in an average of every 12.5 swings, triple attack should proc. In a good party, how many swings will a drg get in on a mob before it dies ??

I dont know the answer because I dont xp with drk's endgame...someone can fill in that blank for me.

[Wizerd]

No, but any DRK who uses Great Sword, even this beauty, over Scythe for DoT is. For fast tp gain this + corazza = greatness.

uh....ok so...
Corazza is a presumed 5% triple attack, and Algol is 3%. That's 8%. So that means in an average of every 12.5 swings, triple attack should proc. In a good party, how many swings will a drg get in on a mob before it dies ??

I dont know the answer because I dont xp with drk's endgame...someone can fill in that blank for me.

480 delay is a swing every 8 seconds. Haste spell takes 15% of that off, which brings it to roughly 7 seconds per swing, and probably some other factors to reduce it a bit more. Average burn party battle lasts 30 seconds now? So they get about 4 swings in, 5 if they engage quick.

[Ollieyk]

No, but any DRK who uses Great Sword, even this beauty, over Scythe for DoT is. For fast tp gain this + corazza = greatness.

uh....ok so...
Corazza is a presumed 5% triple attack, and Algol is 3%. That's 8%. So that means in an average of every 12.5 swings, triple attack should proc. In a good party, how many swings will a drk get in on a mob before it dies ??

A mob dieing quick makes 8% triple attack even more vital than STR, DEX and ATT.

[NynJa]

480 delay is a swing every 8 seconds. Haste spell takes 15% of that off, which brings it to roughly 7 seconds per swing, and probably some other factors to reduce it a bit more. Average burn party battle lasts 30 seconds now? So they get about 4 swings in, 5 if they engage quick.

So, I'll be nice and say 6 swings per fight, and I'll lower rate of activation to 1 in 12. Thats one triple attack every 2 fights, after I heavily stacked the deck in algol/homam corazza favor. Is that really worth it ?

[Machazareel]

Why the fuck would he be using a greatsword in a TP burn party?

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

...use it for HNMs. In EXP only idiots use Great Sword at level 75 since there are no IT+ mobs and Scythe DoT is damn good while GSWD DoT is utter shit. Some LSes use DRKs for HNMs and this is great for them.

[Sudai]

I'm a mage, so I really don't know which is better DoT, but have you guys ever seen Tripple Attack proc on a SATA spinning slash? Zomgah @.@

[NynJa]

...use it for HNMs. In EXP only idiots use Great Sword at level 75 since there are no IT+ mobs and Scythe DoT is damn good while GSWD DoT is utter shit. Some LSes use DRKs for HNMs and this is great for them.

Whats the difference between scythe DoT and gsd DoT ?? They're both weapons with high dmg, and retardedly high delay.
how is algol good for HNM's ?? So you can whiff 3x in a row instead of just once ??

Why the fuck would he be using a greatsword in a TP burn party?

Dont ask me, I wasnt the one who brought that idea up.

[DeusNoctis]

...use it for HNMs. In EXP only idiots use Great Sword at level 75 since there are no IT+ mobs and Scythe DoT is damn good while GSWD DoT is utter shit. Some LSes use DRKs for HNMs and this is great for them.

Whats the difference between scythe DoT and gsd DoT ?? They're both weapons with high dmg, and retardedly high delay.
how is algol good for HNM's ?? So you can whiff 3x in a row instead of just once ??

Why the fuck would he be using a greatsword in a TP burn party?

Dont ask me, I wasnt the one who brought that idea up.

Death Scythe
Level: 73
Slot: Weapon
Type: Scythe
Jobs: DRK
Races: All
Damage: 97
Delay: 528
Damage Per Second (DPS): 11.02
TP Per Hit: 12.6%
Auction House Category:
Weapons / Scythes
Effects for Death Scythe:
Additional Effect: HP Drain


Balin's Sword
Level: 73
Flags: Rare
Slot: Weapon
Type: Great Sword: Flamberge
Jobs: DRK
Races: All
Damage: 84
Delay: 480
Damage Per Second (DPS): 10.5
TP Per Hit: 12%
Auction House Category:
Weapons / Great Swords
Effects for Balin's Sword:
MP +13
Strength +4
Intelligence +2


Speaking from experience, I average around 120~ per scythe swing and only around 85~ with GS. Go figure.

[Machazareel]

...use it for HNMs. In EXP only idiots use Great Sword at level 75 since there are no IT+ mobs and Scythe DoT is damn good while GSWD DoT is utter shit. Some LSes use DRKs for HNMs and this is great for them.

Whats the difference between scythe DoT and gsd DoT ?? They're both weapons with high dmg, and retardedly high delay.
how is algol good for HNM's ?? So you can whiff 3x in a row instead of just once ??

Why the fuck would he be using a greatsword in a TP burn party?

Dont ask me, I wasnt the one who brought that idea up.

Scythe > Gsword for xp simply because Guillo owns the living shit out of SS or GS at 100% on xp type mobs.
Algol for HNM because slightly higher attack isn't going to to help at all, at least not on any ones of merit, whilst 3 attacks in a swing, or even a lucky proc on ws would be of great benefit.... At least if it procs on ws, which I don't really know about.

And my question was more directed at the entire conversation, not just you =P

[NynJa]

...use it for HNMs. In EXP only idiots use Great Sword at level 75 since there are no IT+ mobs and Scythe DoT is damn good while GSWD DoT is utter shit. Some LSes use DRKs for HNMs and this is great for them.

Whats the difference between scythe DoT and gsd DoT ?? They're both weapons with high dmg, and retardedly high delay.
how is algol good for HNM's ?? So you can whiff 3x in a row instead of just once ??

Why the fuck would he be using a greatsword in a TP burn party?

Dont ask me, I wasnt the one who brought that idea up.

Death Scythe
Level: 73
Slot: Weapon
Type: Scythe
Jobs: DRK
Races: All
Damage: 97
Delay: 528
Damage Per Second (DPS): 11.02
TP Per Hit: 12.6%
Auction House Category:
Weapons / Scythes
Effects for Death Scythe:
Additional Effect: HP Drain


Balin's Sword
Level: 73
Flags: Rare
Slot: Weapon
Type: Great Sword: Flamberge
Jobs: DRK
Races: All
Damage: 84
Delay: 480
Damage Per Second (DPS): 10.5
TP Per Hit: 12%
Auction House Category:
Weapons / Great Swords
Effects for Balin's Sword:
MP +13
Strength +4
Intelligence +2


Speaking from experience, I average around 120~ per scythe swing and only around 85~ with GS. Go figure.

look at whats in red plz.

[DeusNoctis]

...use it for HNMs. In EXP only idiots use Great Sword at level 75 since there are no IT+ mobs and Scythe DoT is damn good while GSWD DoT is utter shit. Some LSes use DRKs for HNMs and this is great for them.

Whats the difference between scythe DoT and gsd DoT ?? They're both weapons with high dmg, and retardedly high delay.
how is algol good for HNM's ?? So you can whiff 3x in a row instead of just once ??

Why the fuck would he be using a greatsword in a TP burn party?

Dont ask me, I wasnt the one who brought that idea up.

Death Scythe
Level: 73
Slot: Weapon
Type: Scythe
Jobs: DRK
Races: All
Damage: 97
Delay: 528
Damage Per Second (DPS): 11.02
TP Per Hit: 12.6%
Auction House Category:
Weapons / Scythes
Effects for Death Scythe:
Additional Effect: HP Drain


Balin's Sword
Level: 73
Flags: Rare
Slot: Weapon
Type: Great Sword: Flamberge
Jobs: DRK
Races: All
Damage: 84
Delay: 480
Damage Per Second (DPS): 10.5
TP Per Hit: 12%
Auction House Category:
Weapons / Great Swords
Effects for Balin's Sword:
MP +13
Strength +4
Intelligence +2


Speaking from experience, I average around 120~ per scythe swing and only around 85~ with GS. Go figure.

look at whats in red plz.

Don't look at me, I never claimed either was better than the other. ¯\(º_o)/¯

Just trying to help.