An Inconvenient Truth

[Ksandra]

See but the actions displayed show that we makes mistakes. Of course we do, we're not perfect. But if you have a weapon or a meteor or a duck that can blow up the whole world in two seconds, it only takes ONE person to make that ONE mistake, that ruins it for all the "smart" people. Doesn't matter how smart everyone else is, it only takes one idiot to ruin everything.

Then why hasn't it already happened?

We've been in a MAD state since the 50s, and yet, it hasn't happened. Your argument has been used against nuclear proliferation, and every time a new country gets nukes, supposedly we'll all die. Yet it doesn't happen, because nuclear weapons tend promote peace and stablity, believe it or not. India and Pakistan have become much more peaceful since both sides got nukes.

As for destroying the world, any country with enough nukes to do that has elaborate safe guards against "1 idiot" being able to launch. So, it'd take a room full of idiots, and even though groupthink is a big problem, nukes are usually scary enough to overcome that option.

There is always the possibility of it happening everytime some new country gets nukes. Just because it hasn't happend already does not mean that it never will.

Hell, it might not be a country but some crazy, idiotic person that will detonate one somewhere and make the life for people affected by the blast unbearable. Like someone said above, all it takes is one idiot to ruin things for the rest.

Edit: someone-> somewhere

salvador took the words right out of my mouth. You only need to blow up the world once. Of course it hasn't happened yet, that has no bearing that it wont. The people of today are not the people of tomorrow unless you believe in a strict form of reincarnation inwhich everytime you're reincarnated you repeat the actions of your previous life.


For all we know this catastrohpic event could happen 2 milion years from now. How can you possible take the difference between today and 200 years ago, and assume that's is a good indication on what happens milions of years from now.

[Shaede]

One of the most important decisions you make in your life is whether you live in a hostile universe or a friendly one.

[Ksandra]

One of the most important decisions you make in your life is whether you live in a hostile universe or a friendly one.

I drive the speed limit, keep my car in check, never ever drink and drive. Never gotten a ticket in my life. I got rear-ended once from a girl who was on the phone with her boyfriend. I chose to have a friendly (safe) environtment when I get into the drivers seat of a car. Did that stop the hostile one from giving me whiplash?

[Shaede]

I drive the speed limit, keep my car in check, never ever drink and drive. Never gotten a ticket in my life. I got rear-ended once from a girl who was on the phone with her boyfriend. I chose to have a friendly (safe) environtment when I get into the drivers seat of a car. Did that stop the hostile one from giving me whiplash?

That depends entirely on your perception of it.

[edgarfigaro]

Please, when you make your melodramatic statments, it's not one idiot that can destroy the world.

It takes at least 10.

(Plus, if it hasn't happened yet, and world has become a much more stable organism...I'm confident in saying we won't have a nuclear holocaust in our lifetimes).

[salvador]

(Plus, if it hasn't happened yet, and world has become a much more stable organism...I'm confident in saying we won't have a nuclear holocaust in our lifetimes).

You didn't say it isn't ever going to happen did you? At least we know telelevision isn't corrupting your fragile little mind with all it's news shows.

Kind of off topic but I searched 2012 on Wikipedia and it turned out to be a pretty interesting timeline of events to say the least.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012

Edit: Some ramble and that link ^

[Demosthenes11]

The argument of "just because it hasn't happened doesnt mean it couldn't" is retarded

It always COULD happen. Just like I COULD get hit by a plane while sitting in my room right now (lol donnie darko). This is not proof that it WILL happen however.

And lol@ that exp pt analogy, it was the worst analogy I think I have ever seen

[salvador]

The argument of "just because it hasn't happened doesnt mean it couldn't" is retarded

It always COULD happen. Just like I COULD get hit by a plane while sitting in my room right now (lol donnie darko). This is not proof that it WILL happen however.

And lol@ that exp pt analogy, it was the worst analogy I think I have ever seen

That's exactly what I'm trying to convey. I'm not saying that it will definately happen, but that the possibility is always there and people shouldn't say it will never ever happen. Thanks for agreeing.

And yea, I agree that my ffxi analogy was pretty dumb.

[Septimus]

No one has used nukes to blow up the world yet; therefore no one will ever use nukes to blow up the world.

And on September 10th, no one had used jets as weapons...

(There is always someone crazy enough to commit mass genocide, the fact that such a person has not launched the nukes yet simply means that such a person has never been in a position to do it.)

[edgarfigaro]

Anyone could hijack a plane before 9/11.

Not anyone can just send 100 nukes out at other countries.

Does ANYONE see the difference? I'm not saying that there will never be a nuke used, I said nuclear holocaust will not occur, because the only 2 countries that can make that happen are the US and Russia. US safeguards are pretty damn tight, and Russia's are even more so.

Honestly, before Iran started on their current campaign, I would have doubted another nuclear attack, but they're fucking loco, so I don't know now. I do know that the world will not end due to a nuclear attack anytime soon.

[Jeveh]

Anyone could hijack a plane before 9/11.

Not anyone can just send 100 nukes out at other countries.

Does ANYONE see the difference? I'm not saying that there will never be a nuke used, I said nuclear holocaust will not occur, because the only 2 countries that can make that happen are the US and Russia. US safeguards are pretty damn tight, and Russia's are even more so.

Honestly, before Iran started on their current campaign, I would have doubted another nuclear attack, but they're fucking loco, so I don't know now. I do know that the world will not end due to a nuclear attack anytime soon.

Thats possibly the dumbest statement ive read all day. Although its only 3:40 pm. I guess the world has no black market. I also guess that the US and Russia have never lost any nuclear devices and have possesion of all the worlds nuclear elements. Tech. can be purchased.

You could use the arguement no one has a big enough bomb. Well. seeing as if a nuke went off on U.S soil im pretty sure it would start and all out war.

[Ksandra]

Anyone could hijack a plane before 9/11.

Not anyone can just send 100 nukes out at other countries.

Does ANYONE see the difference? I'm not saying that there will never be a nuke used, I said nuclear holocaust will not occur, because the only 2 countries that can make that happen are the US and Russia. US safeguards are pretty damn tight, and Russia's are even more so.

Honestly, before Iran started on their current campaign, I would have doubted another nuclear attack, but they're fucking loco, so I don't know now. I do know that the world will not end due to a nuclear attack anytime soon.

And what happens when we get the technology that will give us one nuke that can blow up the whole world? Don't think just becuase we don't have that technology we won't ever get it.

[edit] I never said this WILL happen, nor did I say it will happen in our lifetime. My only point is you can't assume people are so perfect that if we haven't blown ourselves up yet we won't blow each other up in the future. For all we know our species could get wiped out by a huge meteor hitting the earth. They swing by us everyday, and currently we have absolutely no defense against them either.

[Septimus]

Anyone could hijack a plane before 9/11.

Not anyone can just send 100 nukes out at other countries.

Does ANYONE see the difference? I'm not saying that there will never be a nuke used, I said nuclear holocaust will not occur, because the only 2 countries that can make that happen are the US and Russia. US safeguards are pretty damn tight, and Russia's are even more so.

Honestly, before Iran started on their current campaign, I would have doubted another nuclear attack, but they're fucking loco, so I don't know now. I do know that the world will not end due to a nuclear attack anytime soon.

My point is, just because we cannot imagine the situation happening it does not mean that it will never happen. We believe that safeguards are tight on our facilities, that does not mean that terrorists could not infiltrate our military and gain access to said facilities. Although it may sound all Sci-Fi, who knows what kind of brain washing and mind control techniques humans could develop in the next 100, 200, 300 years. (Holy Ghost in the Shell Cyber-brain diving Batman!)

[Sidd]

I drive the speed limit, keep my car in check, never ever drink and drive. Never gotten a ticket in my life. I got rear-ended once from a girl who was on the phone with her boyfriend. I chose to have a friendly (safe) environtment when I get into the drivers seat of a car. Did that stop the hostile one from giving me whiplash?

That depends entirely on your perception of it.

hits the nail on the head. Too many people live on thinking that 'things happen to them' and do not realize that they are not the center of the universe. what made the driver hostile? was he following you trying to rear end you? your perceptions have likely turned him into a 'bad person' since he hit the car you were in at the time. Shaede speaks the truth.

[Ksandra]

I drive the speed limit, keep my car in check, never ever drink and drive. Never gotten a ticket in my life. I got rear-ended once from a girl who was on the phone with her boyfriend. I chose to have a friendly (safe) environtment when I get into the drivers seat of a car. Did that stop the hostile one from giving me whiplash?

That depends entirely on your perception of it.

hits the nail on the head. Too many people live on thinking that 'things happen to them' and do not realize that they are not the center of the universe. what made the driver hostile? was he following you trying to rear end you? your perceptions have likely turned him into a 'bad person' since he hit the car you were in at the time. Shaede speaks the truth.

My point was not that she hit me on purpose (nor do I consider her to be a bad person, just an unprepared one). My point was that no matter how safe you make your environment does not mean that bad things won't happen to you (and she didn't make her environment safe by talking on the phone while driving which is illegal in my state no less).

Shaede's statement makes it sound like if you want to have a friendly environment then absolutely nothing will harm you. I was pointing out a time when I tried to make a safe environment, but since someone else didn't have one I still got injured.

(edit also I wonder if you read my story considering you kept refering to she as a he and asked why I got hit when I already said why >.>;)

[Shaede]

Shaede's statement makes it sound like if you want to have a friendly environment then absolutely nothing will harm you. I was pointing out a time when I tried to make a safe environment, but since someone else didn't have one I still got injured.

Why does everything have to be so black and white with you people?

[Sidd]

I drive the speed limit, keep my car in check, never ever drink and drive. Never gotten a ticket in my life. I got rear-ended once from a girl who was on the phone with her boyfriend. I chose to have a friendly (safe) environtment when I get into the drivers seat of a car. Did that stop the hostile one from giving me whiplash?

That depends entirely on your perception of it.

hits the nail on the head. Too many people live on thinking that 'things happen to them' and do not realize that they are not the center of the universe. what made the driver hostile? was he following you trying to rear end you? your perceptions have likely turned him into a 'bad person' since he hit the car you were in at the time. Shaede speaks the truth.

My point was not that she hit me on purpose (nor do I consider her to be a bad person, just an unprepared one). My point was that no matter how safe you make your environment does not mean that bad things won't happen to you (and she didn't make her environment safe by talking on the phone while driving which is illegal in my state no less).

Shaede's statement makes it sound like if you want to have a friendly environment then absolutely nothing will harm you. I was pointing out a time when I tried to make a safe environment, but since someone else didn't have one I still got injured.

(edit also I wonder if you read my story considering you kept refering to she as a he and asked why I got hit when I already said why >.>

BAD things are based on your perception of what is BAD. Generally people put the 'bad' or 'evil' label on things that we just don't like. An accident or collision in space is not a bad thing that was planned for you. Like shaede said as well, its not a black and white thing - its your perceptions that determine how you will respond to events.

[Ksandra]

I drive the speed limit, keep my car in check, never ever drink and drive. Never gotten a ticket in my life. I got rear-ended once from a girl who was on the phone with her boyfriend. I chose to have a friendly (safe) environtment when I get into the drivers seat of a car. Did that stop the hostile one from giving me whiplash?

That depends entirely on your perception of it.

hits the nail on the head. Too many people live on thinking that 'things happen to them' and do not realize that they are not the center of the universe. what made the driver hostile? was he following you trying to rear end you? your perceptions have likely turned him into a 'bad person' since he hit the car you were in at the time. Shaede speaks the truth.

My point was not that she hit me on purpose (nor do I consider her to be a bad person, just an unprepared one). My point was that no matter how safe you make your environment does not mean that bad things won't happen to you (and she didn't make her environment safe by talking on the phone while driving which is illegal in my state no less).

Shaede's statement makes it sound like if you want to have a friendly environment then absolutely nothing will harm you. I was pointing out a time when I tried to make a safe environment, but since someone else didn't have one I still got injured.

(edit also I wonder if you read my story considering you kept refering to she as a he and asked why I got hit when I already said why >.>

BAD things are based on your perception of what is BAD. Generally people put the 'bad' or 'evil' label on things that we just don't like. An accident or collision in space is not a bad thing that was planned for you. Like shaede said as well, its not a black and white thing - its your perceptions that determine how you will respond to events.

That still doesn't change the fact I was ingured. You can think the world blowing up is a good thing or bad thing or dont even care. I was just giving an example where no matter how you live you life doesn't mean you won't get effected (good bad whatever) by other people. This has nothing to do with getting hurt really. It was an example that lives get effected by other people. aka if someone wants to push the button (whether you consider it good or bad) you're going to get hit whether you want to or not. You can either continue to try and tell me I'm wrong for being upset about getting whiplash, or you can see my story for it's orginal intent, just an example of me getting effected by another person, without wanting to.

[Septimus]

BAD things are based on your perception of what is BAD. Generally people put the 'bad' or 'evil' label on things that we just don't like. An accident or collision in space is not a bad thing that was planned for you. Like shaede said as well, its not a black and white thing - its your perceptions that determine how you will respond to events.

No, I think that most people can agree that when someone is injured or killed that it is not good. The word "bad" is very a broad term; in the context of a car accident the word bad does not imply malevolence or malfeasance but that it was an unfortunate event. (Even unfortunate events have a plus side to someone, tow truck operators, mechanics, doctors, and slime-ball lawye4rs for example.)

Although good and evil may be subjective, there are some events that people can agree really have few up-sides no matter how we perceive them. Earthquakes, floods, tsunamis, hurricanes, genocide, global thermonuclear devastation (the cockroaches may disagree), comets the size of Alaska smashing into the earth, the sun going super nova (although it is not large enough to do so), and Celine Dion albums.

[Shaede]

I feel as though every time I say something its meaning is completely misinterpreted. Then I am accosted with a rebuttal that has absolutly nothing to do with what I was saying, throwing the thread further and further off topic.

Props to Sidd on his ability to read between the lines.