Total BS Beseiged

[Eaglestrike]

You mean -aga III, but yeah. I agree, killing -aga nukes and leaving single tier nukes alone would make it work just fine - but I think that should be on a game-wide basis, not just in Besieged. It would give me a whole lot less to bitch about.

How can you say that when you're the one who wanted to do a manaburn dynamis.

I thought -ga 3 was a no-no in Manaburn Dynamis?

All they should do with -ga's is make resistance increased with more mobs around it. Won't matter on mobs that have no chance of resisting, but will crush -ga-ing on Besieged mobs.

[Lordwafik]

You mean -aga III, but yeah. I agree, killing -aga nukes and leaving single tier nukes alone would make it work just fine - but I think that should be on a game-wide basis, not just in Besieged. It would give me a whole lot less to bitch about.

How can you say that when you're the one who wanted to do a manaburn dynamis.

I thought -ga 3 was a no-no in Manaburn Dynamis?

All they should do with -ga's is make resistance increased with more mobs around it. Won't matter on mobs that have no chance of resisting, but will crush -ga-ing on Besieged mobs.

on some pulls I use a timed -ga3 to save time. examples : Dynamis xarc's 1st pull, you can waste time on it, or just kill it in one big shot.

Another example

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2...ndyboss1oa.jpg

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[Janice]

Instead of nerfing blm like this, they should give mobs resistance. After like a few thunders, they become immune to thunder. When I cast a Thunder 4 and take off 2%, screw that. Make it so that BLM can still do dmg, but they cant take it from 100 to 0 all at once.

[Lylie]

Instead of nerfing blm like this, they should give mobs resistance. After like a few thunders, they become immune to thunder. When I cast a Thunder 4 and take off 2%, screw that. Make it so that BLM can still do dmg, but they cant take it from 100 to 0 all at once.

What do you think they did? They GAVE them resistance.

And your system just wouldn't work. Why?
1. Because by the time a mob make any resistance to any Element, 50 BLMs (and Im being nice, because we all know there were more like 100/150BLMs) would just Ga3 or Tier4 them, and kill them in one wave of nuke.
2. "XXX Mobs gain full resistance to Thunder. BLM Army starts casting Ga3 or Tier4 of one of the 5 other elements. <BLM guy> Lolz! Thunder immune my ass! I threw a Firaga3!".

You have no real idea, you're only sad because you can't kill 20 mobs in one Ga3 like before and ruin the fun of all melees. The thing BLMs don't understand is they're not alone. If SE made a semi Magic Def. Bonus, you could just throw more and MORE BLM to nuke shit. If SE made Tier4 with their full power, you could just throw more BLM nuking one mob after the other in 5sec.

Anyway, I know everyone are really happy with this Besieged's update because it was alot of fun now BLMs can't Ga3 stuffs.

[Lordwafik]

Do you not read Lylie or are you completly ignorant? We are all saying that yes, an aga3 nerf is perfectly fine so long as we can still do SOME damage using single target spells (like IV ).

It's not like melee are now hitting for 2-5 now, or WS'ing for a max of 150. Only BLM got targetted and in an unfair manner.

BLM cant contribute at all unless we heal or stun, we cant even sleepga shit.

Anyway, I know everyone are really happy with this Besieged's update because it was alot of fun now BLMs can't Ga3 stuffs.

What, so now we dont even count as people? Fuck your ranger and I hope you get a 2nd nerf ^_^

[Lylie]

Lol, you're the one who need to read.

I said, that even a Tier4 with their full power would be the same, because you could STILL have the BLMs Army throw Tier4 to mobs, killing them all, one after the other, with DDs watching you guys.

[Lordwafik]

No you fucking moronic peice of shit. Even with an army of blm, you still have what, 20 mobs? And just say you have 3-5 blm targetting 1 mob, it usually will die before the others land a spell on it. Had the damage been halved, it'll still be ok. And it's not like the mobs had 5 HP either. You make it sound like you poor poor melees cant even engage anything. When I did beseiged thsoe many times on my BST and RDM, I melee'd on bst just fine, even with blms nuking it.

Tell me what's the difference between 4 war/nin rampaging the fuck out of a monster, and 4 blm IV'ing the fuck out of another.

One uses MP and one uses TP? Fail. Heaven forbid I actually enjoyed my first job (BLM) and still do, and prefer it over my other melee jobs.

You are just a very narrow minded person.

[Tilo]

You can't expect much from the French.

[Tahngarthor]

What's everyone's panties in a bunch for? I thought this issue only applied to besieged?

when the first seiges happened, everyone bitched and said fail beacuse BLMs ga'ed the shit out of the mobs before half of the ppl there saw them pop. So they fix that situation and people still bitch. Seems you cant please anyone these days...

[Lordwafik]

What's everyone's panties in a bunch for? I thought this issue only applied to besieged?

when the first seiges happened, everyone bitched and said fail beacuse BLMs ga'ed the shit out of the mobs before half of the ppl there saw them pop. So they fix that situation and people still bitch. Seems you cant please anyone these days...

Because beseiged didnt get fixed, black magic got nerfed in beseiged. Every other job does the same numbers both in and out of beseiged, except for BLM.

As you said, everyone bitched because everything was getting aga3'd, yet instead of fixing that , they took the easy way out and made nukes useless.

[Tilo]

What's everyone's panties in a bunch for? I thought this issue only applied to besieged?

when the first seiges happened, everyone bitched and said fail beacuse BLMs ga'ed the shit out of the mobs before half of the ppl there saw them pop. So they fix that situation and people still bitch. Seems you cant please anyone these days...

The problems with the first Beseiges was that there were like 10 mobs who died in 5 seconds to melee/avatars/spells, not just BLMs. The fact that it ended in 5 seconds and posed no real challenge was why it sucked.

[Taera]

EDIT: Tilo ninja edited his post so now mine is pointless

Disregard and move along.

[Mysterio]

not only is this another ridiculous Beseiged thread, but its degraded to the point of dissing the french again, lol.

[Tahngarthor]

I'd like to hear your solution to not having BLMs wipe everything in 2 seconds and making other jobs useful in the event, so far I havent heard any good ideas.
30 BLMs shouldnt be able to instantly end an event that was intended to be an actual threat to the city.

We wont know how well they'll do (probably nowhere near as good) but BLU is the only other job with lots of easily useable area effect stuff. Melee can pwn lots of shit, but only one target at a time. Giving the mobs magic resistance may be the "easy way out" but im curious what a better solution would be. Besieged wasnt as fun as it should have been the first two weeks because of the problem, and now, it's an actual challenge to defend the city. If there's a better solution, i'd happly like to see them implement it.

[Janice]

I can do more dmg meleeing monsters in beseiged on BLM than I can nuking them. If you dont think that is taking it a little too far, you are extremely dense.

What's the point of going as BLM if you cant enfeeble at all and your nukes do no damage. Ok, im going to do a max of 1000 dmg with all my mp and then go sit in a corner for 5 minutes.

There are plenty of ways to fairly nerf damage from a BLM. I could even be as simple as soon as a monster takes 40% worth of its life from magic damage, it casts permanent magic shield and resists everything til it has like 10% health left. That makes it fair for everyone. BLM can do dmg but they just cant nuke everything to death.

If my tier 4 spells only take 2% of a mobs life, I'll just go WHM instead and get a hell of a lot more IS.

[aurik]

I'd like to hear your solution to not having BLMs wipe everything in 2 seconds and making other jobs useful in the event, so far I havent heard any good ideas.
30 BLMs shouldnt be able to instantly end an event that was intended to be an actual threat to the city.

We wont know how well they'll do (probably nowhere near as good) but BLU is the only other job with lots of easily useable area effect stuff. Melee can pwn lots of shit, but only one target at a time. Giving the mobs magic resistance may be the "easy way out" but im curious what a better solution would be. Besieged wasnt as fun as it should have been the first two weeks because of the problem, and now, it's an actual challenge to defend the city. If there's a better solution, i'd happly like to see them implement it.

Make single-target blm spells unresisted (or reduced resist). Then it's equal. Melee whack stuff to build tp to pwn shit, blms sit on their ass to build mp to pwn shit.

[Lordwafik]

I'd like to hear your solution to not having BLMs wipe everything in 2 seconds and making other jobs useful in the event, so far I havent heard any good ideas.
30 BLMs shouldnt be able to instantly end an event that was intended to be an actual threat to the city.

We wont know how well they'll do (probably nowhere near as good) but BLU is the only other job with lots of easily useable area effect stuff. Melee can pwn lots of shit, but only one target at a time. Giving the mobs magic resistance may be the "easy way out" but im curious what a better solution would be. Besieged wasnt as fun as it should have been the first two weeks because of the problem, and now, it's an actual challenge to defend the city. If there's a better solution, i'd happly like to see them implement it.

Did you not read the rest of the posts? Lylie syndrome is contageous?

We are all saying, nerf aga3, leave IV's alone, so BLM can at least contribute to part of the damage dealing team (after all, BLM's job is a damage dealer, not a stun bitch or sleepga2 whore, not that we can do ANY of these things now without being resisted up the ass).

IV spells = yep
Aga3 spells = nope

[Sylvrdragon]

This is not a fucking conspiracy. Its common knowledge that the first few Besieged were crappy and not very well planned. SE is obviously still trying to perfect it.

One thing about AgaIIIs, the more mobs it hits, the less damage it does. It appears that SE is done fucking around and is finally putting enough mobs per wave to actually mean something. Eventually, this will be a moot point as you will have like 30 mobs in a single wave and any BLM with half a brain isn't going to be stupid enough to AgaIII them anyway unless they have a severe death wish. I don't expect these mobs magic resistance to stay like this, SE isn't done making adjustments imo.

[Lylie]

I'd like to hear your solution to not having BLMs wipe everything in 2 seconds and making other jobs useful in the event, so far I havent heard any good ideas.
30 BLMs shouldnt be able to instantly end an event that was intended to be an actual threat to the city.

We wont know how well they'll do (probably nowhere near as good) but BLU is the only other job with lots of easily useable area effect stuff. Melee can pwn lots of shit, but only one target at a time. Giving the mobs magic resistance may be the "easy way out" but im curious what a better solution would be. Besieged wasnt as fun as it should have been the first two weeks because of the problem, and now, it's an actual challenge to defend the city. If there's a better solution, i'd happly like to see them implement it.

Yeah its funny the way people bitch without having the begining of a solution. Everyone bitched SE because BLMs were able to Ga3 stuffs in 30sec and now its fix.

But are people still bitching? Yes.
Why? Because everyone who leveled BLM can't kill everything in 30sec with their big E-Penis numbers on Ga3 and Tier4 in Besieged ONLY.
So... do BLMs have any real solution to fix this? No.
What do they do instead? Bitch people and SE, cry and moan about it.

SE finally doing something about BLM being over-powered (now that 80% of each server are BLM, eh) people getting pissed off about it.

[Janice]

But are people still bitching? Yes.
Why? Because everyone who leveled BLM can't kill everything in 30sec with their big E-Penis numbers on Ga3 and Tier4 in Besieged ONLY.
So... do BLMs have any real solution to fix this? No.
What do they do instead? Bitch people and SE, cry and moan about it.

I believe I just fucking did.

http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/viewto ... &start=194

It's called magic shield. After so much magic dmg on a mob, it becomes magic immune.

There is no point for a BLM to go to beseiged if they can't do any dmg at all or do more damage meleeing. There is a point in going to beseiged if you can do full damage as long as magic shield isnt up.