Total BS Beseiged

[Priran]

I've seen KB killed by melee. Mostly sam's, and ppl getting TP off the nearby mobs via SA WS. I've seen it, its been done. KB is not anti-melee.

Melee: Pull the coeurls, melee melee melee SA WS pull coeurl etc

BLM: /ma "Crapga III" <t>

"Anti-melee" in my opinion. It's just more complicated for a melee to do it. Complicated things tend to get messed up more often. Why risk losing a King claim when you could just BLM-assrape it?

[further]

Mob where melee damage is gimped just like blm's in Besieged: http://ffxi.somepage.com/mobdb/1714

This is probably the only mob in the game I know of that a case can be made for that melee are useless.

Mob where melee damage is limited because it's the best way to beat the mob for almost every LS that does it: http://ffxi.somepage.com/mobdb/2095 + http://ffxi.somepage.com/mobdb/1313

Melee have to sit out a bunch of stuff that blm's don't.

Yeah, right lol... RNG owns the SHIT out of both KB and Kirin, even after nerf. If it didn't cost so damn much I would go to Kirin as RNG instead of BLM because the damage is better. Not to mention that many LS do straight tank him now, and those that don't will usually quit kiting for a second to let melee get of WS. Those 2 examples are bad ones, surely you can do better...

Edit: Forgot about MNK and Chi Blast ^.^ Wafik wins

[Priran]

Actually, isnt it the monks who shine on kirin? And what are they?

melee

sitting back spamming a macro while out of range

yeah that sounds like meleeing to me

[NynJa]

I've seen KB killed by melee. Mostly sam's, and ppl getting TP off the nearby mobs via SA WS. I've seen it, its been done. KB is not anti-melee.

Melee: Pull the coeurls, melee melee melee SA WS pull coeurl etc

BLM: /ma "Crapga III" <t>

"Anti-melee" in my opinion. It's just more complicated for a melee to do it. Complicated things tend to get messed up more often. Why risk losing a King claim when you could just BLM-assrape it?

So KB is anti-melee because you got to take a different approach ??
Guess what, you're winning my argument for me.
Melee CAN be used on KB. Just your LS opts to not use them.


BLM CAN NOT BE USED IN BESIEGED.

[Eaglestrike]

I've seen it, its been done.

It's also a lot more work because blm's are simply more useful. Blm's do what, 1500+ thundaga III and 1200ish thunder IV? With gravity that blm can just kite it after that. Melee it and he'll AOE stun more often...[/url]

LS's that grav KB from the getgo get raped by thunderbolt>meteor spam near the end since it starts to resist.


1500tga3 + 1200t4 on KB ?? Not really. More like 1100 tga3 and 900t4. But then what, the blm steals hate and they're forced to kite. blm cant deal dmg while they're running...nor can they rest mp while they're running.

I dunno, an LS on my server was fighting KB and that's what I saw, probably had lightning weather up to increase damage. And one blm gets hate, then another nukes hard and takes hate, and you switch off. In the meantime you've still got a pld running around getting hate. And melee can't deal damage when the mob is running, the mob has to stop (which KB does for what, to cast Meteor + AOE stun tp move?). Refresh + black cloak/AF2 body work when running, and once someone else steals hate you can Aspir for some more.

[NynJa]

But hey, you want to say Aspi is melee only....fine. I'll turn a blind eye to the LS whos done it with one blm using melee and smn.


but wait.
Doesnt the Aspidochelone event come with a bunch of DC/T adds. I think it does...who takes care of those ?? MELEE.

[Priran]

So KB is anti-melee because you got to take a different approach ??
Guess what, you're winning my argument for me.
Melee CAN be used on KB. Just your LS opts to not use them.


BLM CAN NOT BE USED IN BESIEGED.

I was unaware SE deletes your character if you zone into Al Zahbi as BLM. Oh shit wait, they don't. You can use BLM, you just don't want to. Hay, someone remind me what the standard BLM argument is to people crying that it's overpowered?

Nothing is preventing you from leveling another job.

[Eternus]

I've seen it, its been done.

It's also a lot more work because blm's are simply more useful. Blm's do what, 1500+ thundaga III and 1200ish thunder IV? With gravity that blm can just kite it after that. Melee it and he'll AOE stun more often...[/url]

LS's that grav KB from the getgo get raped by thunderbolt>meteor spam near the end since it starts to resist.


1500tga3 + 1200t4 on KB ?? Not really. More like 1100 tga3 and 900t4. But then what, the blm steals hate and they're forced to kite. blm cant deal dmg while they're running...nor can they rest mp while they're running.

I dunno, an LS on my server was fighting KB and that's what I saw, probably had lightning weather up to increase damage. And one blm gets hate, then another nukes hard and takes hate, and you switch off. In the meantime you've still got a pld running around getting hate. And melee can't deal damage when the mob is running, the mob has to stop (which KB does for what, to cast Meteor + AOE stun tp move?). Refresh + black clock/AF2 body work when running, and once someone else steals hate you can Aspir for some more.

We toe to toe Chvelnik lol... WAR/NIN tanks. Just we don't have that usual tank setup for KB.. not everyone is on. We plan on t2ting KB in the future though. Totally possible.. just is harder. But yeah Melee can do damage to KB. Most LS just throw RNG and BLM at things and kite though sadly enough.

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I dunno, an LS on my server was fighting KB and that's what I saw, probably had lightning weather up to increase damage. And one blm gets hate, then another nukes hard and takes hate, and you switch off. In the meantime you've still got a pld running around getting hate. And melee can't deal damage when the mob is running, the mob has to stop (which KB does for what, to cast Meteor + AOE stun tp move?). Refresh + black cloak/AF2 body work when running, and once someone else steals hate you can Aspir for some more.

rofl, what level is your BLM?

[Eaglestrike]

Yes! I come to King camps to fight adds!

Just like blm's come to Besieged to stun!

[NynJa]

I've seen it, its been done.

It's also a lot more work because blm's are simply more useful. Blm's do what, 1500+ thundaga III and 1200ish thunder IV? With gravity that blm can just kite it after that. Melee it and he'll AOE stun more often...[/url]

LS's that grav KB from the getgo get raped by thunderbolt>meteor spam near the end since it starts to resist.


1500tga3 + 1200t4 on KB ?? Not really. More like 1100 tga3 and 900t4. But then what, the blm steals hate and they're forced to kite. blm cant deal dmg while they're running...nor can they rest mp while they're running.

I dunno, an LS on my server was fighting KB and that's what I saw, probably had lightning weather up to increase damage. And one blm gets hate, then another nukes hard and takes hate, and you switch off. In the meantime you've still got a pld running around getting hate. And melee can't deal damage when the mob is running, the mob has to stop (which KB does for what, to cast Meteor + AOE stun tp move?). Refresh + black cloak/AF2 body work when running, and once someone else steals hate you can Aspir for some more.

Didnt you just say KB is gravitied for the blm's to nuke ??
you cant melee a gravitied mob ??

[Lordwafik]

It's also a lot more work because blm's are simply more useful. Blm's do what, 1500+ thundaga III and 1200ish thunder IV? With gravity that blm can just kite it after that. Melee it and he'll AOE stun more often...

wow, you think we blow 1500 aga3's on mobs like KB? You know nothing of the job, no wonder why you're delighted from the nerf. You think we prance around zapping monsters turning them into dust with out 1700 IV's and 2600 aga3's and 5100 aga4's too.


You dont break 1000 usually on a KB usually in the high 700-900's, he's a BLM mob, high int, he tends to resist now and then. My nukes sometimes, sometimes, would break 1200-1500, but only if im being an idiot with 100% MaB gear, and do something as stupid as to use 1/3rd of my MP pool on an aga3. Then if I do that, there's no way Im safe for the rest of the fight untill I DIE. Sorry, that's not "BLM friendly" to me. I can kite it untill PLD grab hate again, but the most simple III nuke will put me right back on his highest priority, especially if he didnt hit me yet.

Im surprised though, arent you the thief on the thief boards on KI who makes thf/drk topics? The solution to alot of "melee being useless" on mobs that have giant def = sub DRK. Souleater and go nuts, omg you can DD again with real numbers.

[Nagamaki]

Chi blast isn't exactly meleeing. MNKs are good on kited Kirins because unlike other melee jobs they have nuke JA that only gets resisted by a fairly small selection of mobs (Dynamis icons/eyes near full resist, half on wyrms, etc). Chi blasting plays basically like BLM except with a much longer delay between nukes and damage range always random between full and 50% instead of the multiple resist levels with magic.

I actually enjoy Chi blasting, but MNKs being able to chi doesn't say anything about whether melee is good or not against a mob.

Anyway, thanks to retarded timing Seraph had a triple lv5 attack last night (back to back to back) directly during the busiest dynamis night on our server, so I missed the entire thing. However, from what I heard melee performance on Besieged mobs after yesterday's maintenance wasn't exactly stellar, with mobs having retarded evasion and defense, so unless that's totally wrong BLMs aren't the only job that doesn't perform well in Besieged. Any melees that want to share some info on their acc/damage/ws damage in there?

[Tom Chambers]

I can't believe BLMs are honestly complaining about this. Welcome to the game every other person plays: One where there's an event (or events) you don't excel at.

Just bring another job to this one event. And if you don't have another job, time to make like....ooh, every other main in the game (other than BRD, I guess) and get one. Pretty simple, really.

[Eaglestrike]

It's also a lot more work because blm's are simply more useful. Blm's do what, 1500+ thundaga III and 1200ish thunder IV? With gravity that blm can just kite it after that. Melee it and he'll AOE stun more often...

wow, you think we blow 1500 aga3's on mobs like KB? You know nothing of the job, no wonder why you're delighted from the nerf. You think we prance around zapping monsters turning them into dust with out 1700 IV's and 2600 aga3's and 5100 aga4's too.


You dont break 1000 usually on a KB usually in the high 700-900's, he's a BLM mob, high int, he tends to resist now and then. My nukes sometimes, sometimes, would break 1200-1500, but only if im being an idiot with 100% MaB gear, and do something as stupid as to use 1/3rd of my MP pool on an aga3. Then if I do that, there's no way Im safe for the rest of the fight untill I DIE. Sorry, that's not "BLM friendly" to me. I can kite it untill PLD grab hate again, but the most simple III nuke will put me right back on his highest priority, especially if he didnt hit me yet.

1500 Thundaga III is what I personally saw from an LS fighting KB. When did I say I was delighted about the nerf? I just don't think blm's have much right to cry when they're so incredibly useful in so many other parts of this game.

[further]

time to make like....ooh, every other main in the game (other than BRD, I guess) and get one. Pretty simple, really.

I am pretty sure most of the people complaining DO have another 75 job. I know myself and Wafik do, assuming Nynja does as well.

1500 Thundaga III is what I personally saw from an LS fighting KB. When did I say I was delighted about the nerf? I just don't think blm's have much right to cry when they're so incredibly useful in so many other parts of this game.

lolbullshit

[NynJa]

Yes! I come to King camps to fight adds!

Just like blm's come to Besieged to stun!

what the fuck are you gonna stun ??

30 people are defeated by the Mamool Ja Blue Mage.
The Mamool Ja Blue Mage starts casting Radient Breath.


On top of that.
The Mamool Ja BLM starts casting Thundaga 3.
*OH SHIT, spam stun macro*
The Mamool Ja BLM casts TGA3.
People get smoked
Nynja starts casting Stun on the Mamool Ja BLM.


TOO LAGGY TO STUN STUFF.





Other jobs ARE useful in every aspect of this game, your LS just opts not to use them. My LS uses skillchains on Fafhogg. I personally believe that MB'ed spells generate less hate. Who does the skillchains ?? its not the blm's, thats for sure.

[Tom Chambers]

Okay then take that other job. Situation resolved.

[further]

Okay then take that other job. Situation resolved.

Meh, not really. MY OTHER JOB IS RNGLOL

[Eaglestrike]

time to make like....ooh, every other main in the game (other than BRD, I guess) and get one. Pretty simple, really.

I am pretty sure most of the people complaining DO have another 75 job. I know myself and Wafik do, assuming Nynja does as well.

It's actually kinda funny about that, you see... On Alla Nynja's reputation is basically talking about how thf sucks and is shitty for basically anything end-game. But here he is talking about how things aren't anti-melee and it's fucked up that blm's are nerfed here...

I find it more humorous that with his reputation he's upgrading relic dagger, though lol