Total BS Beseiged

[Siatdiat]

Yeah, everyone always prefers Bio over Dia. Also, you can eat my dick if you think im going to sleepga something so I can get ripped when it wakes up. I can imagine it now:

ME: Hey can somebody voke this stuff I slept?

Random melees: FUCK NO! Smart ass blm, think your so fucking great being able to sleep stuff, I hope you get owned.

ME: /sigh

This sounds more like a problem with the linkshell you do events with thinking you are an ass, and therefore not voking things off you, than it does a melee vs. mage debate.

LOL, who does besieged as a linkshell event?
I assumed it was designed as a "random" event, but as usual nothing in MMOs is ever random enough to keep people from trying to be there when it happens. I guess maybe groups of friends/linkshells do stand around waiting for it to happen, when they could be doing something else. But when it loses its "shiny newness" and it works as intended, it will be all random people who happened to be there at the time of the attack.

[Amara]

I don't understand how even blms could have enjoyed half of the people in the zone ga3ing and killing everything that came in at once. It was stupid that things died before people could even use single target spells or engage.

[Dezzimal]

Was other stuff made to exclude jobs?

Sure theres random stuff like that jailer in sea that takes almost zero melee damage, animated shield has huge magic defense and weapons in one limbus that completely resist all spells.

Those are just single mobs though, not an entire huge event which was much touted as being new and exciting and allowing everyone to participate.

Pxtzle includes melees beyond SC whores? Since when?

You can't bring HNMLSes into this because this isn't an 18-man alliance HNM/limbus or whatever. Its meant for everyone regardless of which or even if whether or not you have a HNMLS.

[Suci]

hell i am a blm and i had to use a teir1 ga to beable to damage them preupdate lol.

I think the new way is fine. Less death for me but i still get exp >)

[Septimus]

I don't understand how even blms could have enjoyed half of the people in the zone ga3ing and killing everything that came in at once. It was stupid that things died before people could even use single target spells or engage.

When Besieged first started, mobs were dead before BLMs had the chance to even cast a -gaIII spell. Square went from one extreme to the other.

[NynJa]

I went out for lunch and a haircut, I read the 3 pages that built up in my absesnce, and I still havent seen anyone post of a FFXI event that is 110% anti-melee.

[The Blackrose]

Why am I getting the feeling that Lylie and Maxx are tag team partners in a wrestling match? Just when one of the Ambiguously Fucktarded Duo tagged out (in this case, Lylie), the other came out swinging?

By the way Siat, did he ever answer your question?

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

I went out for lunch and a haircut, I read the 3 pages that built up in my absesnce, and I still havent seen anyone post of a FFXI event that is 110% anti-melee.

And this isn't 110% anti-mage. You don't do 0 damage as a BLM. You do the damage of, say, DRG on Aspid.

[Rewind_levi]

I went out for lunch and a haircut, I read the 3 pages that built up in my absesnce, and I still havent seen anyone post of a FFXI event that is 110% anti-melee.

Um, Melee sucks.

[Dezzimal]

I went out for lunch and a haircut, I read the 3 pages that built up in my absesnce, and I still havent seen anyone post of a FFXI event that is 110% anti-melee.

And this isn't 110% anti-mage. You don't do 0 damage as a BLM. You do the damage of, say, DRG on Aspid.

Its BLMs spending 15% of their MP to do the same as a round of attacks from a monk. I'd say that qualifies as 110% anti-mage.

[Flarega]

Besieged isn't an HNM fight, hence all the analogies of other jobs not being used on HNMs being analogous to BLMs not being used in besieged are moot. Why you ask? Ok!

HNM fights are specially designed fights that force players to use a strategy to combat their enemies, this strategy often using black mages. Unfortunately this often excludes a lot of melee jobs because they just can't find their appropriate spot in the strategy(insert whatever reason why here).

Besieged is a not an HNM fight; it happens much more often than an HNM fight and is much more accessible than an HNM fight: anyone can participate. Since besieged is designed to be done by any number of players where the players are simply just killing the monsters it is wrong to destroy a certain job's ability to participate.

Since anyone can participate in besieged whenever it happens, it is wrong to destroy a jobs ability to participate; especially when so many people enjoy playing it.(I won't lie, lots of people play black mage)

P.S. To those who think that Black Mages can easily toss out a 1500+ damage nuke on a land god whenever they want, shut up. The most I've ever done on a land god was an 1800+ Thunder IV on fafnir(who has extremely low magic resistance for his level) and guess what?! I got stomped a few seconds later. I'm lucky to do 1k on gods/land HNMs.

[Saphirea]

I love how BLMs finally get a taste of the bottom end of the totem pole and it's like the gates of Hell have opened and spewed out all over the forums.

Hey BLMs guess what? Welcome to what the other 17 jobs feel like in the other 99% of FFXI.

"OMG I'm not the best? Something must surely be wrong!"

BLM is the best at so many things, I don't understand why you need to bitch about being gimp in Beseiged. I can think of tons of activites which other jobs cannot effectively participate in, it's about damn time BLMs got a taste of what being useless is like.

Rather than SE Nerfing BLM, they're just making the new Content to be anti-BLM. It still does the same thing.

Take your bard songs, and 1/4 their power for NO REASON AT ALL aside from the fact that you are a bard.

Then, make sure after 3 songs, you cant sing anymore and you have to rest for 3-5 mins to get the ability to sing back.

Then ontop of all that, you dont get many points, because you're not doing your job properly/dishing enough power out from your songs (and it is out of your control to change that), simply because, you're a bard with quarter-power songs.

This is how it feels like. We're not complaining that we're not the best, we never claimed to be. You're a frigging bard, you should know by now war/nin > blm for lots of shit. But to be nerfed to the point where a DRAGOON is more potent than you is pathetic.

Well, maybe because I'm gimptastic, and wafik you know I am, but what do I primarily do? Elegy, Lullaby and Ballad correct?

I got 1 out of 6 elegy to land, using wind skill + items, earth staff and horn +1. Lullaby is worthless, all that did is proceed to make my HP go from 1130 to 0 in damn near 5 seconds.

Requiem was resisted harder then a bitch that just rode in on a bitch bike.

Ballad / Minuet / Madrigal was all I could pretty much do oh and take the ocasional pot shot with joyesue equiped. (I'm sure that 5~10 when I did hit mattered)

I <3 my blm's they make life easier for me and keep me alive. I don't think that the mobs were that hard its just that well, it sucks getting resisted even when you believe you're doing your job correctly. Maybe 1 or 2 more fixes to make everyone happy is in order?

Was hella fun however the besiges lastnight, partied up with people in different LS's that I usually only see in Dynamis or Camping against me at HMN camps, was nice to play with them in a different kind of role.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

I went out for lunch and a haircut, I read the 3 pages that built up in my absesnce, and I still havent seen anyone post of a FFXI event that is 110% anti-melee.

And this isn't 110% anti-mage. You don't do 0 damage as a BLM. You do the damage of, say, DRG on Aspid.

Its BLMs spending 15% of their MP to do the same as a round of attacks from a monk. I'd say that qualifies as 110% anti-mage.

Monks can't do 250 damage to 5 mobs in 1 attack round

[NynJa]

Neither can blm's lawl...

and remember, when you die and HP, you lose everything you worked for in besieged, and your xp returns to 0.

[Erebus]

As far as I can tell, they are still testing besieged so relax. Everyone knew it was over too fast with 500+ people in the zones and BLMs owning anything in sight.

Now they tweaked it for better but it's still not balanced. Give them time, it's obvious they aren't going to stop tweaking until it's just right.

And seriously, if Blm have anyone to blame, it's themselves for going trigger-happy on the mobs. Hell, I'll admit if I was Blm I probably would have spammed -ga myself, but thankfully SE is trying to make it fair for everyone.

Just wait abit and I'm sure they'll do something... hopefully. >_>;

[Eaglestrike]

and remember, when you die and HP, you lose everything you worked for in besieged, and your xp returns to 0.

I died at the start of the Mamool attack (Undead -> Trolls -> Mamools for my server) cause I started with 312 hp and ran out to the Wajaom zone to fight lol

I hp'd and came back in and still got 700 for the Besieged. Damn my 'not a melee DD' self...

[freja]

We dont care about being the top, we want to at least be more useful than the person who uses jump, since our whole job is focused around damage.

I know I'm a little bit late but I wasn't on, and this caught my eye.

BLMs have more support capabilities than dragoon, which is esentially all damage dealer (lol healing breath). Yet despite that they are quite possibly a job "focused around damage" moreso than BLMs, you still want to excel over them?

This just sounds like the attitude that a lot of melees dislike about BLMs.

Back on topic, I think the IV spells should definently be unnerfed. BLMs should at least be able to contribute, attitude or not.

[inafume]

and remember, when you die and HP, you lose everything you worked for in besieged, and your xp returns to 0.

Does that only happen if you HP? Last night I died like 4 times vs. Trolls (using Hymnus for reraise) and still got the "full" 700 xp.

No xp loss, so who cares if you die.

Edit: just saw Eaglestrike's post. Maybe doesn't happen at all!

[Roranora]

Damn.. I go to sleep and miss 13 pages. I want to relive page 26 while all BLMs bask in their greatness for being able to Warp II.

[NynJa]

and remember, when you die and HP, you lose everything you worked for in besieged, and your xp returns to 0.

I died at the start of the Mamool attack (Undead -> Trolls -> Mamools for my server) cause I started with 312 hp and ran out to the Wajaom zone to fight lol

I hp'd and came back in and still got 700 for the Besieged. Damn my 'not a melee DD' self...

You died at the start, HPed, and had the other 95% of the fight to build up xp...

try HPing at the end of a fight.

BLMs have more support capabilities than dragoon, which is esentially all damage dealer (lol healing breath). Yet despite that they are quite possibly a job "focused around damage" moreso than BLMs, you still want to excel over them?

This just sounds like the attitude that a lot of melees dislike about BLMs.

Back on topic, I think the IV spells should definently be unnerfed. BLMs should at least be able to contribute, attitude or not.

Thats nice, so BLM's can "support" people in besieged.

That way they can get 0 xp because they were supporting people (NOT THEIR JOB), instead of blowing shit up (THEIR JOB). BRILLIANT!!!!

and remember, when you die and HP, you lose everything you worked for in besieged, and your xp returns to 0.

Does that only happen if you HP? Last night I died like 4 times vs. Trolls (using Hymnus for reraise) and still got the "full" 700 xp.

No xp loss, so who cares if you die.

People, not me, have reported participating in a full besieged, but dying and HPing and not recieving full xp.


if you zone in any form (yes, HPing is zoning, even if you HP Al Zahbi, just like going from a northern al'taieu updraft to safehold's updraft), it resets you.