SUPER SMASH BROTHERS BRAWL... [spoilers pg 70+]

[BRP]

OKAY /BG/ WHO WILL BE ANNOUNCED TONIGHT?! AND YES, SOMEONE IS TOTALLY BEING CONFIRMED.

I'm going with Captain Falcon.

Because, Captain Falcon.

[Sho]

OKAY /BG/ WHO WILL BE ANNOUNCED TONIGHT?! AND YES, SOMEONE IS TOTALLY BEING CONFIRMED.

I'm going with Captain Falcon.

Because, Captain Falcon.

Oh ohohohoho...

SHOW ME YOUR MOVES.

[BRP]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/as ... ist10.html

We already knew about, assist trophy - Little Mac


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[Scythiroth]

Ehh, boring update, can't all be winners I guess.

[Nirokun!]

Does anyone else have a Smash only controller? >.>

I have an orange gamecube controller that I've broken in and its like, perfect, so I only use it for playing smash bros >.>

Once I started playing SSB:M, all of my controllers became Smash Controllers. >.> I think I am down to 2 working Gamecube controllers now. ._.

me too

one is mine, one is my little brother's

[Lunais]

OKAY /BG/ WHO WILL BE ANNOUNCED TONIGHT?! AND YES, SOMEONE IS TOTALLY BEING CONFIRMED.

It's Cloud right?

...Right?

[Huggo]

Well, I was hoping Lil' Mac would actually be a playable character but this is as good as I get, it seems. I still think it's pretty cool :D

[Po]

Ehh, boring update, can't all be winners I guess.

Boring update? Are you smoking?

That is like the best nostalgic moment in the game yet.

[Falconblade]

Ehh, boring update, can't all be winners I guess.

Boring update? Are you smoking?

That is like the best nostalgic moment in the game yet.

We knew about it though.

[BRP]

OKAY /BG/ WHO WILL BE ANNOUNCED TONIGHT?! AND YES, SOMEONE IS TOTALLY BEING CONFIRMED.

I'm going with Captain Falcon.

Because, Captain Falcon.

[Falconblade]

OKAY /BG/ WHO WILL BE ANNOUNCED TONIGHT?! AND YES, SOMEONE IS TOTALLY BEING CONFIRMED.

I'm going with Captain Falcon.

Because, Captain Falcon.

Sonic's Final Smash.

[Falconblade]

Word on the Grapevine is that Fox and Peach got nerfed, Wavedashing and L cancelling is out, and Bowser and Metaknight are the new tourneyfag chars of choice..

[Maxxthepenguin]

Word on the Grapevine is that Fox and Peach got nerfed, Wavedashing and L cancelling is out, and Bowser and Metaknight are the new tourneyfag chars of choice..

And we know all this from a DEMO? We didn't have the current tiers set up for like 2 years.

rofl

[Falconblade]

Word on the Grapevine is that Fox and Peach got nerfed, Wavedashing and L cancelling is out, and Bowser and Metaknight are the new tourneyfag chars of choice..

And we know all this from a DEMO? We didn't have the current tiers set up for like 2 years.

rofl

Its not hard to be able to instantly see who got powerful and who got weakened from a glance, or even a demo.

But, theres still development time. Who knows? I'm merely a messenger who tells what he hears.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Word on the Grapevine is that Fox and Peach got nerfed, Wavedashing and L cancelling is out, and Bowser and Metaknight are the new tourneyfag chars of choice..

And we know all this from a DEMO? We didn't have the current tiers set up for like 2 years.

rofl

Its not hard to be able to instantly see who got powerful and who got weakened from a glance, or even a demo.

But, theres still development time. Who knows? I'm merely a messenger who tells what he hears.

Actually, if it's overall significant changes then yes, it is hard to see who got weakened and who got overpowered.

[Maguspk]

Maxx you don't understand the game very well I guess. If wavedashing and L-cancelling are indeed out you are taking Fox's theoretically unbeatable status and throwing it out; not to mention every character, including Peach, loses their ability to L-cancel(although slightly less significant for Peach for obvious reasons XD) This is definitely a rustle to the tiers.

It really shouldn't come as a surprise though, of course they wouldn't leave the game totally the same. Let's just hope they leave some sort of button glitch in the game though because honestly that's what seperates good players from great ones, no matter how you want to slice it :/

edit: Just to clarify before someone says "lol no i can beat lvl 9 fox with my mewtwo lolol" I am referring to the theoretical potential Fox holds. Given a perfect player he can shine an infinite amount of time, destroying any opponent.

[izembo]

no button glitches = total win of game.

[Maguspk]

no button glitches = total win of game.

Total win of game for some, but for others button glitches add depth to a simple game allowing for more skill to shine through a player and making the player able to demonstrate their mastery over said button glitches. I'm not talking about something like an "i win" button, simple things like Wavedashing and L-cancelling which transformed the game entirely.

[Charla]

We had this debate like 10 pages ago. I think it's possible for a fighting game to have that kind of gap between casual players and uber players without requiring the ubers to teach themselves an obscure glitch. GGXX did this pretty well (although it also had a few glitches like Jam's burst cancel). What's more, it's possible for a game to create roughly the same situation of 2 games in 1 with just a steep learning curve, creating a much smaller gap between uber players and casual players, as well as a small gap between top-tier tournament level characters and everyone else. GGXX also did this pretty well, and tournaments regularly had sufficiently skilled players placing very high with non-top-tier characters. The SSBM paradigm is not the only way to make a good fighting game.

[BRP]

Sorry if I offend any our tournament players here, but I find the extreme side of tourneyfag culture pretty horrid. I remember reading this screenshot of a forum on /v/ where they banned almost every level in the game because Fox could exploit it with his gun or wavedash. Gee, maybe it's Fox or time-matches that are broken? The first thing that comes to my mind when I hear the nerfing of Fox and tourneyfags throwing a fit is "Oh well, perhaps their 'skill' must be displayed in a way that isn't an exploit". And I'm someone who enjoys playing with little to no items.

I think game developers(in general) should stop making speed a major focus on characters, because it's easiest thing to break. I've seen it in FFXI and SSB and any game with a "haste" spell.

EDIT: That said, most of this would be avoidable if a counter-heavy system was put in place.