somthing should be seen

[Jaisen]

dont know if Accts were stolen or if there are the real people, but most of you know the RMTer on Bahamut server. came across some people that we see everyday. please observe.

the person to my right is Kirrinn, and the one to my left if a GS. they whipe to Zippy then CFH. want for more GSes to get there and kill. non the less... this is something that should be seen by all.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2.../GSteamUDF.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...UDFwithGS3.png

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...UDFwithGS2.png

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...UDFwithGS1.png

[Dezzimal]

Zipacna drama? lol

things have truely gone in the shitter

[Kirrinn]

No, the account is still mine and has not been stolen. But part of what Jaisen said is true. I'm kind of ashamed to admit it, I scanned Zipacna for them, the gilsellers. Probably a poor decision on my part, but I won't dress it up or anything. Also let me clarify what exactly happened:


I was there scanning Zip at the Genbu Island pop. Chamber (from DT) was also there doing the exact same thing that I was. The GS group got there first and Zipacna was Shadowbound as usual on pull. The pull was too early, I died even before any of them provoked it. The GS were wiping, and in the meantime DT got there, then the GS CFH, if I knew how to post a pic of it I would, but it was a Monk in their group. After all the GS were dead, the CFH Zip aggroed some of the members of DT who were at the zone, but then they zoned back out, and then after zip went back yellow, DT started fighting again. Since they were paniced they fought zip thinking the GS would get up and take it from them, and after many many raise 1s, RR pins/gorgets, they finally wiped. In the last moment before he died (this time after RR gorget charge number 5 I believe) Chamber CFH. Then the GS waited for zip to regen and go yellow. Then they claimed him and killed it.

Yeah, sure, call me an item whore or w/e you like. I'm sure someone will criticize me for my decision. There are a lot of ra/ex things that go to waste that I wanted to take advantage of. Sure I'll probably be looked down on for it, but it's not like I can take back what I did now. The above is what happened, and nothing against the ToS or even against the presumed HNM rules happened on mine or Kynimo's part.

[Jer]

Now why on earth would somebody criticize you for scanning a sky trigger for RMTs?

[Seebo]

Zipacna drama? lol

things have truely gone in the shitter

I feel ya...

[Porkchop]

There are a lot of ra/ex things that go to waste that I wanted to take advantage of.

Cursed soup yummy~~

[BRP]

The LS LongBus wiped in front of my eyes to Zip with at least 15+ people. Then again with Faust not 30 minutes later. <3 Midgardsormr.

[Kuponut]

The LS LongBus wiped in front of my eyes to Zip with at least 15+ people. Then again with Faust not 30 minutes later. <3 Midgardsormr.

No reason to point out where some Linkshells have wiped to certain NMs and such, just like with the Linkshell that you pointed out awhile ago wiped to Hakutaku or whatever. (I'm not in, nor have any affiliation whatsoever with any of those Linkshells... but yeah)

I watched a semi-veteran Linkshell wipe to Ash Dragon 2-3 times, with over 24 people, and their night ended without a victory over Ash Dragon, when I know some people who could easily kill Ash Dragon with 6 people or so in around 30 minutes with no deaths or close calls.

Sometimes Linkshells just have badluck, or um.. AFK people or something, but no reason to post it (especially since noone from those Linkshells even reads these forums, probably) I am sure those Linkshells at one point or another had killed those NMs and such too.

Almost 1 AM in the morning and I am not tired.. wish I hadn't fallen asleep earlier in the afternoon

[Vilaire]

This really wasn't about wiping to Zippy...this was more about 2 members from a respected LS on Bahamut helping the RMT get god pop items against a legitamate LS. When we contacted the sack holders of Undefeatable to see what they thought of their members helping gilsellers they responded that since they don't do sky anymore that they could care less what goes on there.

Sure they didn't break any "rules" but helping gilsellers make their gil to sell back to loser RMTers isn't exactly a nice thing to do to your fellow player base. We already have a hard enough time getting Ulli away from the gilsellers and now they have help with scanning for zippy from Undefeatable.

At least Kirrinn can admit that it was wrong....Kynimo (the other UDF member scanning for Zippy) told me that they weren't gilsellers...show me one other person on the server that thinks Glamour, Sterling and Longfor and others aren't RMT. Everyone knows that they are garbage...

Anyway the first post didn't come across right...kirrinn told the story right. We only CFH btw because you guys did before us. We had about 10 people there total and probably about 4 when we started fighting, most got there after there had been many deaths.

Ps: yes I created this account just to post this...

[Makochin]

Well, I got some angry tell from that Jaisen dude earlier this afternoon where he accused my members mpking their linkshell. I asked him to show me a screenshot of this so I can confront my members about it but he said he rather post it on bg instead for some awkward reason. I don't like to brag, but our website is pretty well made also imo, you guys should check it out and bring issues that you have with us to our site. http://undefeatable-ls.com

Since we're already here, where are the incriminating screenshots? I'll talk about the gilseller issue in a bit, but if someone from my shell mpked you guys causing you guys to wipe to Zip, I'll tell you right now that I'll either punish the member that did that or pay you guys a gem or something like that. But, if you guys wiped on your own, then sorry theres not much I can do.

As for the gilseller thing, I don't know if you guys are aware of this, but from what I hear, gilsellers on Bahamut allow people to free lot stuff like genbu shield, kabuto, zenith abj, stuff like that. Their purpose for doing gods is for material, so all these rare/ex stuff goes to waste if nobody is there to lot them. Gilsellers have been in sky for almost a year on bahamut, it is up to SE to do something about it. Theres not much anyone else can do that will make a difference. Meanwhile, if people can get free abjs from them, I don't see how that is a bad thing. It is either that, or us bringing our entire shell up there to farm those gems ourselves. It's just going to be more competition and a waste of time on our part, and it's not making anybody's life eaiser. However, as I said, if any of my members are caught participating in any type of MPK, claim steal, stuff like that, come talk to me and I'll deal with them.to your liking. But if you guys wipe to stuff on your own, then it is really none of our business.

[Lockecole]

The LS LongBus wiped in front of my eyes to Zip with at least 15+ people. Then again with Faust not 30 minutes later. <3 Midgardsormr.

I watched a semi-veteran Linkshell wipe to Ash Dragon 2-3 times, with over 24 people,

Lol...you might wanna rethink your definition of semi-veteran.

[Ichigo]

HAY is this the same Jaisen that never refreshed, and said his path of RDM was through damage from bow? lolerskates.

[Blind_Ninja]

I think the whole GS In sky problem is just about the same in every server no? In Pandy they like too pull zip all the way too the stairs for us then kindly wipe at 15% And give it too us, makes me want too attempt too raise their entire alliance, but then again... no. And yea... the Ulli bots are just about 10x worse than anything that could ever happen at Zip lol.. Just because umm Ulli's always big comp and yea... they bot it.

[Lyramion]

The LS LongBus wiped in front of my eyes to Zip with at least 15+ people. Then again with Faust not 30 minutes later. <3 Midgardsormr.

I watched a semi-veteran Linkshell wipe to Ash Dragon 2-3 times, with over 24 people,

Lol...you might wanna rethink your definition of semi-veteran.

Indeed.... need to define 24 ppl, too

A)
1 PLD
22DRG giving mob TP
1 WHM

or

B)
2 NIN
22 Mages



Nobody whipes with B rly... impossible

[othellojr]

Nice job, by just scanning or w/e for gs, you are teaching them wtf to do, guess what dumbfuck? This happened on Asura, and now Sky on Asura is a 24/7 GS domain. We had some dumbfucks that did that on Asura, specially one dumbass(fuck you Napolean) who literally held their hand getting them to sky and while in sky too, since that is all it takes, feel sorry for Bahamut now, since GS going to be in sky for every pop nm (good luck with Uli and faust specially).

RIP Bahamut Sky~

[phizit]

Are You Retarded!!!

Zip is a 4-5 man monster easy how the hell do you wipe............... My ls not even being anywhere close to elite normally does it with 5-8 members. It's Called saving time till other ls members get to sky...

That's the thing with most sky linkshells nowadays they like to wait @ escape point like 40-60 mins while there whole atleast 18 members gather before starting 1 Stone nm mean while my ls is just killing everything starting with 5-6 members well gathering rest so we can do kirin or gods.

Anyways 4 person zip that's easy would be....RDM | BLM | NIN | NIN. That's easy it's called Communication/teamwork. We done zip with halfass setups of 6 members 1 time was this setup >> NIN | MNK | DRG | WHM | RDM | BLM......

So really wiping to zip means you shouldn't even of been @ zip in 1st place wasting time wiping / reraising / possible losing stone etc. Big time stuck not being productive means your losing stones.....Last night in sky same ls seen us kill Zip, Faust, and MG...We also killed SC before MG. Now you may ask what that sky linkshell was doing? I asked myself same thing.

I think I may have figured out problem of why this ls wiped to zip with like almost a allaince.....It's called always doing all gods/stone nms with 15+ people never taking time to learn skillchains, Stun orders, Good communitcation skills, and when problems happen play more defencivly then just stick to all out zerg till NM dead or NM goes back to camp 100% life.

I mean with good organizion to setup stun orders, Skillchains, Communitcation skills to have mages there going to rest when mp low so someone can cover them, and etc Start putting effort in good organzion and it would help greatly reduce wipes and increase time effectivly.

Sky is the stepping stone for Sea, kings, Cop wyrms, and Etc. Those other activities require a lot more organizion in most cases you can't just throw 18 75s @ it and win like you can in sky with noobs.

**On a side Note**

Tuesday @ MG we were comming from Faust just escaped out...No mp from faust fight. So we head there another ls in in room full rdy except waiting for blm with us......going to MG. Now we have 0 Mp almost so our mages were resting other ls blm fell a little behind. Our blms didn't even go near pull area nor anyone else from our pull team. 1 of there nins of 2 from other ls pulls from way other side....Costs them 1 nin death then thf gets with perfect dodge and barelly lives or just died right after that ls blm get there.

Now they had like 3-4 pld, 1 nin up, 1 whm, 2 rdms, 2 thfs, 1 drk, and more misc DD jobs I am sure. They had 12-15 members there easy. So even with premature pull they had more then enough members to easy kill it. They ended up wiping due to fact of newer members or something...Since the strat they were using to kill was plan retarded. They wipe @50% and we finish it very quickly after our 1st light skillchain with 9 members. I feel no need to say name of this linkshell...Since they been around longtime and do lots of MGs.

They just paniced / new members fooked up like rdms nuking slaves and melee SATA weapon skills pld tanks etc. We would of helped raised them after but we had 0 whms in sky @ the time

[Zarathustra]

I witnessed something similar and I'm on Bahamut. Like any normal person I asked why and the reason they gave me was their LS simply doesn't do sky. I would think ones options would be to either never get sky items or join an LS that does sky. So if neither is an option... stuff like this happens.

They've been in sky for so long now [Bahamut] I doubt there's much else for them to learn (outside of Byakko and Kirin) and they're obviously not going anywhere. To me they don't even exist til we need to do a Byakko for the next Kirin. I don't really mind... do what you do I just hope you're not there helpin them out when my LS is there.

[Tymon]

I laughed at the wiping to zipacna with all of those people too much to read the thread

tl;dr

[Kuponut]

The LS LongBus wiped in front of my eyes to Zip with at least 15+ people. Then again with Faust not 30 minutes later. <3 Midgardsormr.

I watched a semi-veteran Linkshell wipe to Ash Dragon 2-3 times, with over 24 people,

Lol...you might wanna rethink your definition of semi-veteran.

Indeed.... need to define 24 ppl, too

A)
1 PLD
22DRG giving mob TP
1 WHM

or

B)
2 NIN
22 Mages



Nobody whipes with B rly... impossible

Well, I meant Semi-Veteran as in they have been a Linkshell for a long time I think, so I guess that was a bad word for it

Looking at the screenshots I have... I can see Thief(1), Paladin(3), Ninja(2), Warrior/Ninja(1), Summoner(1), Black Mage(3), Red Mage(2), White Mage(1), Samurai(1), Bard(1).. and I know there was a Beastmaster killing Bombs nearby, and a few other jobs that aren't in any of my screenshots... I was staying back a little, because my White Mage was like 60 or so at the time, and one of their mages got too much hate on Ash Dragon, and it ran back to where the mages where resting (And I was watching), Ash Dragon used Body Slam, and my Taru was one-shotted by it.

[Ragnard]

Ahhhh 6 man ash dragons and 17 mil weskits... Those were the days... ;_;

/wave kuponut.