Fafnir sucks

[metalchocobo]

You guys killed Jorm? Congratulations! Last time we showed any interest in that mob, you guys were gearing up for the big event but we stole'd it.

And took 6 hours >_>

As for kill time lol, here we go again. John, the PLD who sits on the sidelines at the 150+ NA Primetime camps and brags about 15 minute "burn downs". You must've missed the Fafnir we burned down in 13 minutes. I made a sarcastic comment about it and someone in your LS actually fucking corrected me saying it was a 13 minute and XX second kill lol. GG. To my knowledge that time still stands. I guess we need to put in disclaimers like "We burn down mobs in 15 mins or less with a full alliance of perfect jobs and SCs, but in the early morning hours it can get fucking ugly."

That one kill was impressive, every one of us admitted it. Any doltbag can kill the mob with a "perfect setup" like you said you had right after you killed it. That's not an accomplishment of anything other than good member attendance and participation, something we have actually lacked fairly recently. But once again, that was one kill. Lately whenever you guys have claimed and I've been there (sorry I haven't been there lately, RL shit >| but I've heard from the guys that you guys are just as slow as ever) you take 30+ minutes. We killed it the other day with 1 BLM on a wing-spammy Fafnir in less than you guys have pulled off lately, so shut up.

You're retarded? I'm sorry.

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K, now we're getting somewhere. Cept the 3rd tank doesn't really do much tanking, or need to, yet he's eating up the same amount of cures from AoE, needing the same amount of MP to keep him hasted and cured, and taking up one more spot in the tank PT which could be an extra BRD, RDM or WHM.

That's exactly why I came to the conclusion that as long as your flashes and stuns are well timed and precise, you're being far more effective than a third tank could possibly be. Of course you run the risk of still getting hit, but it's better you than a mage or something.

No harder than any other NIN or /NIN when Utsusemi is down. But once again, my intention isn't to main tank, so me taking 500 damage on MS is still better than losing a WHM/RDM/BRD for 5 minutes.

But very few optimal situations for wyrm tanking involve shadows being down for extended periods of time, especially on Jorm who can't double attack. I'm not your main critic; I think that if the stuns/flashes can cover enough time for Ichi recasts on the ninjas it's perfectly viable. Unfortunately you're the only one who can sincerely tell us that, so we have to take your word for it.

[BlackSkye]

If it works for some people, it doesn't really matter unless they go telling everyone else OMFG "insert biased opinion here" OWNS, EVERYONE SHOULD TRY IT NOW CUZ ALL OTHER WAYS SUCK COMPARED TO IT.

That bieng said as long as you don't rage Nidhogg/Fafnir doing it, it should be fine.

Raging Nidhoggs is funny bunnies.

[chiz]

Really the only strength of pld/drk you've shown is that you can get hate. Then you can lose it all by proceeding to hemorrhage it through your ears by taking 500-600 on the ground during MS,

Wow for a second I almost thought you got it. That's the idea....you take hate while other tanks have none.....in the meantime they can build hate or try to regain it. When I'm not actually trying to take hate, I'm not sucking mages dry or taking another spot in the tank PT which could be better served to benefit the entire party.

EDIT: I'm sure it sounds like I'm coming off as anti-chiz and anti notED. Sorry. I don't mean to. But these things are contextual, and if you say "war/whm is grreat, IRON loves it!!!!" it should probably say "...with a relic horn bard" attached to it.

Its ok, its the popular thing to do nowadays.

[Ryko]

The iron part makes WAR/WHM much more viable for a full tank setup (or rather 2 of them backing up a single tank rather than a last resort in case the first 2 bite it) rather than the safety valve last resort, which is what we were talking about anyway. Context is important, which is why I havent spoken in absolutes throughout the entire discussion. As for meo only being prepared because he "camps" tiamat, he only has 2 jobs capped out: a merit job and a HNM job. Since he has no desire to make his monk viable in HNM situations, his inventory issues and readiness is more based on "hey am I planning on EXPing today?" rather than needing to jump on something on the fly and switch gear.

[metalchocobo]

Bashing someone for their tanking style is entirely redundant and dull now though. Let's bitch about each other's healing patterns, since we've already had a 20+ page argument with North and Chiz barrelling at each other over SMNs and manaburns and now this.

[Tyche]

Fafnir record 8:30 voke > kill. Sorry if i derail

[aurik]

Fafnir record 8:30 voke > kill. Sorry if i derail

You should try 18 blms, ES sleep->17 thundaga 3->ES sleep->etc.

[aers]

but what about the darters!

[Syn]

but what about the darters!

Darters have lower HP than AAEV.

[aurik]

Will die to 17 thundagas.

[aers]

Sarcasm. A BLM friend has solo'd all 6 darters simultaneously, I know how weak they are.

[Kaylia]

Sarcasm. A BLM friend has solo'd all 6 darters simultaneously, I know how weak they are.

Not sure how he did, but I would be dead before I could spell l-a-g in linkshell chat.

[aers]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...su/darterd.jpg

[Bebopaloo]

Tsu is erasing Darters. Someone call GM.

[Ryko]

Tsu is erasing Darters. Someone call GM.

Trust me, someone did

[Arvin]

Tsu is erasing Darters. Someone call GM.

Trust me, someone did

._.

[Andrinne]

oh my lookie what I started.

Max <3

[NynJa]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...su/darterd.jpg

now try that when theres a huge ass fuckin dragon spawned, and 160 ppl in the pit.

[Ayn]

now try that when theres a huge ass fuckin dragon spawned, and 160 ppl in the pit.

/sign

[Linkinfate]

That ss of the spike flail sucked.. I'm surprised we didn't manage to stun it. We recovered pretty fast considering how bad it could get.

But yeah as Chiz said.. flash and stun work well together.. random stuns actually stopped a few tp moves, as me and 1 or 2 other rdm/drks would take turns stunning Firaga III.

I don't remember us taking 4 hours to kill a wyrm >_>.