Assault - Confirm Rank-Up Requirements?

[Kyomu]

I know that it's been confirmed that if you win 10 or so PFC missions you can rank up without having won one of all five missions. However, can anyone confirm if you can do the same for the PSC missions?

My group was planning on trying it last night but we got hit with a dick in a rain of pussy (to quote from the screenshot thread) and went 0/3.

So I'm stuck at 7 wins until my tags refresh to try again. Anyone try this out?

[aurik]

I know that it's been confirmed that if you win 10 or so PFC missions you can rank up without having won one of all five missions.

I must have missed that confirmation.

[Kyomu]

Odd, considering you were the one who said you got the SP quest without beating Lebros supplies. Under your post, two other posters seemed to confirm you can do it in this thread:

http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/vie...=asc&start=105

And I know how much you all hate Alla but the "Interactive Assault Guide" in the Quests and Missions forum seems to have the same information (although I wonder how much of that information was lifted fom here, a lot of it looks familiar).

I apologize if three posters + people on Alla isn't enough for "confirmation."

[Tarukiss]

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Your new sig has me in therapy.

[aurik]

Odd, considering you were the one who said you got the SP quest without beating Lebros supplies. Under your post, two other posters seemed to confirm you can do it in this thread:

http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/vie...=asc&start=105

And I know how much you all hate Alla but the "Interactive Assault Guide" in the Quests and Missions forum seems to have the same information (although I wonder how much of that information was lifted fom here, a lot of it looks familiar).

I apologize if three posters + people on Alla isn't enough for "confirmation."

I never confirmed that "10 PFC wins can rank you up". In fact, I don't even have 10 PFC wins.

[Kyomu]

-.- I never said that you yourself confirmed it, the two posters below you said 1> They got the quest too, and 2> They worked it out to be possibly roughly 10 missions. I take that as a rough "confirmation" that A> you can get the quest without beating all 5 PFC missions, and that it might have something to do with 10 missions.

If it's not missions, then would you care to enlighten us as to what you think it might be that got you and others this rank quest? Have you done anything to raise your fame, like that imp wing quest?

[aurik]

Nope, not fame related. I posted my Assault History at the time I was able to rank-up in another thread. Draw any conclusions from there.

[divisortheory]

Personally, I think it's a combination of the sum of all assault points minus some factor that is related to how many areas you've never won. Then there are certain thresholds (the Lv. 1 threshold, the Lv. 2 threshold, etc) whereby if you go over the threshold you can rank up.

[genome]

I know someone who got the promotion from PSC to PFC without winning all 5 first missions (winning 4 and just repeating some of them multiple times). I also myself got the promotion from PFC to SP without beating lebros supplies. So I can guarantee both. It's easy to verify because you have a list of assaults you won at least once under your mission menu.

The rule is not 10 wins however. What I know works is winning 4 different (new) assaults, and then you can replace the fifth one with 5 wins in any already won (old) assault. That I know for sure works, from personal experience.

Just doing all 5 new assaults always works too of course.

What I also heard but haven't verified is that basically you need 25 hidden 'points' to rank up, each new assault you win gives you 5 points, every old assault you win gives you 1 point, and losing any assault gives you 0 points. This happens to fit what I said before, but also says that if you wanted to do just 1 type of assault ONLY, you would need to do it 21 times to rank up. So, just to be safe, in case this was trues, you'd be better off doing at least 4 different ones per rank.
Another rumor i heard is that it might go also by assault points, like 7000 new assault points after the last rank up will allow you to get promoted again. It might be whichever of these rules comes first, or some of these rumors might not be true, but the first part I mentioned above is true for sure.

[Coephoros]

I'm still curious where the "confirmation" is that "10 or so" wins is all that's required.

I was the other guy with Aurik who got SP without completing all of the PFC missions, and I assure you that I had far fewer than "10 or so" wins.

Specifically, I won the Mamool assassin one and the undead cleansing one on the first try. Won Lamia #13 on the second try. Won Orichalchum on the second try. Lost supplies after one attempt.

So, 4 wins in 7 attemps. Aurik was with me for every one except the failed Lamia attempt. Not sure if he did any others outside those 6.

[genome]

I'm still curious where the "confirmation" is that "10 or so" wins is all that's required.

I was the other guy with Aurik who got SP without completing all of the PFC missions, and I assure you that I had far fewer than "10 or so" wins.

Specifically, I won the Mamool assassin one and the undead cleansing one on the first try. Won Lamia #13 on the second try. Won Orichalchum on the second try. Lost supplies after one attempt.

So, 4 wins in 7 attemps. Aurik was with me for every one except the failed Lamia attempt. Not sure if he did any others outside those 6.

Did you ever repeat the level 1 PSC assaults?
If you repeated and won those 5 more times, then you fit the 4 new + 5 old rule.

[aurik]

I know someone who got the promotion from PSC to PFC without winning all 5 first missions (winning 4 and just repeating some of them multiple times). I also myself got the promotion from PFC to SP without beating lebros supplies. So I can guarantee both. It's easy to verify because you have a list of assaults you won at least once under your mission menu.

The rule is not 10 wins however. What I know works is winning 4 different (new) assaults, and then you can replace the fifth one with 5 wins in any already won (old) assault. That I know for sure works, from personal experience.

Just doing all 5 new assaults always works too of course.

What I also heard but haven't verified is that basically you need 25 hidden 'points' to rank up, each new assault you win gives you 5 points, every old assault you win gives you 1 point, and losing any assault gives you 0 points. This happens to fit what I said before, but also says that if you wanted to do just 1 type of assault ONLY, you would need to do it 21 times to rank up. So, just to be safe, in case this was trues, you'd be better off doing at least 4 different ones per rank.
Another rumor i heard is that it might go also by assault points, like 7000 new assault points after the last rank up will allow you to get promoted again. It might be whichever of these rules comes first, or some of these rumors might not be true, but the first part I mentioned above is true for sure.

PSC wins count towards the SP promotion?

My PFC record when I ranked up:
1/1 requiem
1/1 lamia #13
1/1 preemptive strike
1/2 ori survey
0/1 lebros supplies

All were done with 6 people except ori survey (5 people) and preemptive strike (4 people).

A friend of mine with a similar record was also able to rank up.

[Coephoros]

Did you ever repeat the level 1 PSC assaults?
If you repeated and won those 5 more times, then you fit the 4 new + 5 old rule.

Yes, but very limited. After attaining PFC, I completed 2 PSC quests in 2 attempts. So that would put me at 6/9.

[Kyomu]

Ah, finally some useful information instead of niggling over what word I use! Thank you Genome, now if my group's crappy luck would break so we can test our your ideas.

[Coephoros]

Ah, finally some useful information instead of niggling over what word I use! Thank you Genome, now if my group's crappy luck would break so we can test our your ideas.

Here's a clue for you: if you expect to receive useful information, don't be a fuckup and post apocryphal information.

[genome]

I know someone who got the promotion from PSC to PFC without winning all 5 first missions (winning 4 and just repeating some of them multiple times). I also myself got the promotion from PFC to SP without beating lebros supplies. So I can guarantee both. It's easy to verify because you have a list of assaults you won at least once under your mission menu.

The rule is not 10 wins however. What I know works is winning 4 different (new) assaults, and then you can replace the fifth one with 5 wins in any already won (old) assault. That I know for sure works, from personal experience.

Just doing all 5 new assaults always works too of course.

What I also heard but haven't verified is that basically you need 25 hidden 'points' to rank up, each new assault you win gives you 5 points, every old assault you win gives you 1 point, and losing any assault gives you 0 points. This happens to fit what I said before, but also says that if you wanted to do just 1 type of assault ONLY, you would need to do it 21 times to rank up. So, just to be safe, in case this was trues, you'd be better off doing at least 4 different ones per rank.
Another rumor i heard is that it might go also by assault points, like 7000 new assault points after the last rank up will allow you to get promoted again. It might be whichever of these rules comes first, or some of these rumors might not be true, but the first part I mentioned above is true for sure.

PSC wins count towards the SP promotion?

My PFC record when I ranked up:
1/1 requiem
1/1 lamia #13
1/1 preemptive strike
1/2 ori survey
0/1 lebros supplies

All were done with 6 people except ori survey (5 people) and preemptive strike (4 people).

A friend of mine with a similar record was also able to rank up.

They do. I had 1/1 on all of them except lebros supplies. No rank up.
Then I repeated Lamia #13 and won. No rank up. Then I repeated lebros excavation (PSC) 4 more times, checking each time for promotion. As soon as I won the 4th time, making 5 'old' repeated wins with the lamia13 repeat, I got the rank up.

[Coephoros]

They do. I had 1/1 on all of them except lebros supplies. No rank up.
Then I repeated Lamia #13 and won. No rank up. Then I repeated lebros excavation (PSC) 4 more times, checking each time for promotion. As soon as I won the 4th time, making 5 'old' repeated wins with the lamia13 repeat, I got the rank up.

Given that Aurik and I had extremely similar records (we redid the same PSC missions as well) I think that there's something else at play besides win completion. Perhaps total points in Wins?

I think that to make a really substantive judgement here, instead of just WAGging, we need to find someone who can start from scratch, and count wins, attempts, and points.

[aurik]

I posted an detailed list of my Assault history at the time of rank-up in another assault thread. That can be used as a starting point.

[genome]

They do. I had 1/1 on all of them except lebros supplies. No rank up.
Then I repeated Lamia #13 and won. No rank up. Then I repeated lebros excavation (PSC) 4 more times, checking each time for promotion. As soon as I won the 4th time, making 5 'old' repeated wins with the lamia13 repeat, I got the rank up.

Given that Aurik and I had extremely similar records (we redid the same PSC missions as well) I think that there's something else at play besides win completion. Perhaps total points in Wins?

I think that to make a really substantive judgement here, instead of just WAGging, we need to find someone who can start from scratch, and count wins, attempts, and points.

You can count points from the assault counters, each keeps track of points from wins. The statement you quoted doesn't contain any kind of judgement, it's just data.
In terms of points, each lebros excavation was 1466 (putting my lebros assault points around8k+), it's one of the most rewarding in terms of points per win.
I think you might be forgetting the repeated wins you got before attaining PFC. They all count. I would guess they add up to 5 more wins aside from first time wins.

[Coephoros]

You can count points from the assault counters, each keeps track of points from wins. The statement you quoted doesn't contain any kind of judgement, it's just data.
In terms of points, each lebros excavation was 1466 (putting my lebros assault points around8k+), it's one of the most rewarding in terms of points per win.
I think you might be forgetting the repeated wins you got before attaining PFC. They all count. I would guess they add up to 5 more wins aside from first time wins.

Actually, it's a judgement, and it's a good one based on all of the available information. But since we have absolutely no way at this point (from this data) to make anything better out of it, we're still kind of just guessing. And since we have no insight into the way SE coded assault, we'd never be able to state something as a "fact".

When I did PSC missions, I checked religiously to see when I could get the upgrade. It was literally a single mission win that put me between not getting offered a promotion and getting offered a promotion. So, the only way that my PSC mission count (aside from the 2 I mentioned) could have contributed towards PFC completion is if certain PSC missions ONLY counted towards PFC completion. To me, that doesn't seem like a reasonable assumption.