Excalibur Additional Effect

[layoneil]

March is also pretty hard to test if it's a capped song or not.

Carols and Etudes are capped, all Minuets and Minnes except the last tier is capped. even uncapped, the most 20 skill can do is +1, which is nothing for attack and defense.

[RKenshin]

I have no experience on this topic myself as far as skills and CHR factoring into song effectiveness, but based on the tests I've seen of other BRDs in my linkshell it does have a good affect on both song strength and resist rates when used in large amounts.

[aers]

The wind skill will help elegy land, that is true. It will give, at most, coupled with max wind merits and gear, probably +2 to minuets, most likely +1. Get a bard with gjallarhorn to use max wind gear and test it, i think max wind skill is 282.

[Tekki]

The regen from using KoR is like, nothing compared to the Aegis.. I dont even notice it half the time and I do dynamis with a PLD with it regularly (well, he doesnt tank anymore, but when he did), even though he spams KoR to get that effect. I also never once saw the invinciblity proc.

Also, I've watched a PLD with aegis tank some things (there are apathy members browsing this board I'm sure they can talk about it more), and it was pretty impressive. Would still do horn first.

Just a question, have you ever watched a fully merited PLD that concentrates on nothing but shield + equip tank? I'm not being a sarcastic ass, I’m serious. Find a PLD that has 310+ shield and watch him tank sometime. I am one of those and people don’t notice until you tell them or they notice out of the blue how impressive a shield PLD is. With 300+ shield skill you might as well be holding up your shield in a permanent position of defense. You noticed the Aegis PLD b/c he has an aegis and you wanted to see its effects and watched. Have you sat down and done the same for a shield skill happy PLD?

[Wizerd]

The regen from using KoR is like, nothing compared to the Aegis.. I dont even notice it half the time and I do dynamis with a PLD with it regularly (well, he doesnt tank anymore, but when he did), even though he spams KoR to get that effect. I also never once saw the invinciblity proc.

Also, I've watched a PLD with aegis tank some things (there are apathy members browsing this board I'm sure they can talk about it more), and it was pretty impressive. Would still do horn first.

Just a question, have you ever watched a fully merited PLD that concentrates on nothing but shield + equip tank? I'm not being a sarcastic ass, I’m serious. Find a PLD that has 310+ shield and watch him tank sometime. I am one of those and people don’t notice until you tell them or they notice out of the blue how impressive a shield PLD is. With 300+ shield skill you might as well be holding up your shield in a permanent position of defense. You noticed the Aegis PLD b/c he has an aegis and you wanted to see its effects and watched. Have you sat down and done the same for a shield skill happy PLD?

The Excalibur PLD aers was talking about is shield skill happy. He has every shield skill item he personally has access to - not sure if he's been able to merit it yet. When he used to tank, he blocked a bunch, but not nearly as much as Sinus with Aegis. It was fun watching them duel.

[Tekki]

meh unless its 100% its hard for me to see it being spectacular. I wish someone on my server had it No NA has a relic at all in fact on my server (go go me). So my perspective is scewed on this and i can go only on what I see myself doing.

I sheild block a lot now, just got a boxer's last night and its just insane. Unless I fight something like a super HNM i pull off 80% procs. On HNMs im pulling a solid 60%+ Anthing less then tough usually 90%-100%. So I guess i can imagine aegish going 95% on everything but ITs and HNMs, and doing 85%+ on those. Am i correct in guessing this?

Ive been meaning to ask these questions anyways. Ever since that new patch anyone with shield skills of 300+ shield blocks simply "all the time" the patch has done wonders. I can only imagine aegis is even better, but how much better then when it was before? If it is as good as people say it was (before the patch), I would be disapointed in the new patch. Seems like the patch brought a lot of PLDs closer to par with Aegis holders.

[Airshort7]

lol Sinus has aegis? I remember him on Sylph

[Lockecole]

Gjallarhorn will help all uncapped songs because of the stats on it beside all songs+2.

Charisma +4
All Songs +2
Singing Skill +10
Wind Instrument Skill +10

The skill and CHR aren't going to make a much of a difference on other songs as the +2 does to ballad, but they do make some.

Mary's Horn is notoriously known to be much better then using Stringed Instrument, even though it has a shorter sleep duration (Lullaby +1 instead of +2) Lullaby, a pretty big deal for BRD, is another substantial difference Gjall would make for a BRD.

[Lordwafik]

RE : Magic bursting.

I've noticed when people do a SC, I do a static number of course, but once our samurai did self light, i MB'd bigger than what I was doing all night. Why? Because he did lvl1 SC > lvl2 SC > lvl3 SC. He made the SC's off eachother, starting from liqufication i think, finishing with light, dunno, never payed attention to a sam self SC. But If double darkness counts towards 1>2>3 , as a > 4, then yes the damage will increase. When I get a mandau i'll test it. Dynamis is too risky/waste of time to do any MB testing.

Re : Relic weapons

Get whatever the fuck you want. If Bikkwin got a Aegis instead of a Excalibur, fact is, he still quit FFXI, and that's an unusable aegis. Want a weapon? Get a weapon. Wanna benefit 5 ppl in your LS at a time with Gjallarhorn? Get a Gjallarhorn. Wanna tank a HNM for probably less than a few hours a week, but help out your healer? Get an Aegis. Want a weapon to DD with despite the fact alot of HNMLS are too pussy to let their melees DD? Go for gold. Get what you like, dont get what other people want.
I've got my lvl4 dagger via both sponsoring and farming to get my own currency, spending hours mining/farming is boring, but hey, all those jadeshells and 100byne I bought from bazaars, aswell as the money I got from dynamis is finally starting to show. Is dagger the best weapon to pick? /shrug, I dunno, but I have no interest in swordplay, no interest in GK, or BRD, or PLD, so i'm not going to use the coins on something i'm not interested in. After all, it's my game, I chose my way of playing.

Ding 70 thief btw 2 levels away from my hecatomb, cant wait.

[budd]

lol Sinus has aegis? I remember him on Sylph

I remember Sinus being a douche to everyone on Sylph.

/drama yay

[Koyangi]

RE : Magic bursting.

I've noticed when people do a SC, I do a static number of course, but once our samurai did self light, i MB'd bigger than what I was doing all night. Why? Because he did lvl1 SC > lvl2 SC > lvl3 SC. He made the SC's off eachother, starting from liqufication i think, finishing with light, dunno, never payed attention to a sam self SC. But If double darkness counts towards 1>2>3 , as a > 4, then yes the damage will increase. When I get a mandau i'll test it. Dynamis is too risky/waste of time to do any MB testing.

Re : Relic weapons

Get whatever the fuck you want. If Bikkwin got a Aegis instead of a Excalibur, fact is, he still quit FFXI, and that's an unusable aegis. Want a weapon? Get a weapon. Wanna benefit 5 ppl in your LS at a time with Gjallarhorn? Get a Gjallarhorn. Wanna tank a HNM for probably less than a few hours a week, but help out your healer? Get an Aegis. Want a weapon to DD with despite the fact alot of HNMLS are too pussy to let their melees DD? Go for gold. Get what you like, dont get what other people want.
I've got my lvl4 dagger via both sponsoring and farming to get my own currency, spending hours mining/farming is boring, but hey, all those jadeshells and 100byne I bought from bazaars, aswell as the money I got from dynamis is finally starting to show. Is dagger the best weapon to pick? /shrug, I dunno, but I have no interest in swordplay, no interest in GK, or BRD, or PLD, so i'm not going to use the coins on something i'm not interested in. After all, it's my game, I chose my way of playing.

Ding 70 thief btw 3 levels away from my hecatomb, cant wait.

Fixed.

[Wizerd]

RE : Magic bursting.

I've noticed when people do a SC, I do a static number of course, but once our samurai did self light, i MB'd bigger than what I was doing all night. Why? Because he did lvl1 SC > lvl2 SC > lvl3 SC. He made the SC's off eachother, starting from liqufication i think, finishing with light, dunno, never payed attention to a sam self SC. But If double darkness counts towards 1>2>3 , as a > 4, then yes the damage will increase. When I get a mandau i'll test it. Dynamis is too risky/waste of time to do any MB testing.

Re : Relic weapons

Get whatever the fuck you want. If Bikkwin got a Aegis instead of a Excalibur, fact is, he still quit FFXI, and that's an unusable aegis. Want a weapon? Get a weapon. Wanna benefit 5 ppl in your LS at a time with Gjallarhorn? Get a Gjallarhorn. Wanna tank a HNM for probably less than a few hours a week, but help out your healer? Get an Aegis. Want a weapon to DD with despite the fact alot of HNMLS are too pussy to let their melees DD? Go for gold. Get what you like, dont get what other people want.
I've got my lvl4 dagger via both sponsoring and farming to get my own currency, spending hours mining/farming is boring, but hey, all those jadeshells and 100byne I bought from bazaars, aswell as the money I got from dynamis is finally starting to show. Is dagger the best weapon to pick? /shrug, I dunno, but I have no interest in swordplay, no interest in GK, or BRD, or PLD, so i'm not going to use the coins on something i'm not interested in. After all, it's my game, I chose my way of playing.

Ding 70 thief btw 2 levels away from my hecatomb, cant wait.

http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/1576

3 levels, wafik. >_>

Edit: Delete your post koyangi, "fixing" a post is much more insulting than responding nicely to it. That and I'm jealous you beat me to it.

[Bikwin]

Although I don't condone thread jacking away from the topic....

after I got excalibur, I got a few PMs from people with excalibur/other relics
the consensus on excalibur was that it was a disappointment and other relics would have been more useful

as far as an arguement comming down to a /random/roll being a bad thing, go fuck youself
hypothesis for arguements in life: if there are decent points on both side of the conflict, flip a coin and move on.

[divisortheory]

All relics are a disappointment when you're expecting something that breaks the game. Lower your expectations, and you'll be more than satisfied.

[Lordwafik]

http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/1576

3 levels, wafik. >_>

boo, i knew something was wrong with that number. I know at 72 there's rings and soil gorget (go go evisceration lawl).

[Bikwin]

All relics are a disappointment when you're expecting something that breaks the game. Lower your expectations, and you'll be more than satisfied.

Expectation: its worth the cost
and no, it is near worthlessness

if you want hard evidence I don't have it, but full acc/haste/hp w/e gear and I parsed equal to 1 summoner on jorm.

[Priran]

RE : Magic bursting.

I've noticed when people do a SC, I do a static number of course, but once our samurai did self light, i MB'd bigger than what I was doing all night. Why? Because he did lvl1 SC > lvl2 SC > lvl3 SC. He made the SC's off eachother, starting from liqufication i think, finishing with light, dunno, never payed attention to a sam self SC. But If double darkness counts towards 1>2>3 , as a > 4, then yes the damage will increase. When I get a mandau i'll test it. Dynamis is too risky/waste of time to do any MB testing.

Re : Relic weapons

Get whatever the fuck you want. If Bikkwin got a Aegis instead of a Excalibur, fact is, he still quit FFXI, and that's an unusable aegis. Want a weapon? Get a weapon. Wanna benefit 5 ppl in your LS at a time with Gjallarhorn? Get a Gjallarhorn. Wanna tank a HNM for probably less than a few hours a week, but help out your healer? Get an Aegis. Want a weapon to DD with despite the fact alot of HNMLS are too pussy to let their melees DD? Go for gold. Get what you like, dont get what other people want.
I whistled for a cab and when it came near the license plate said "Fresh", and it had dice in the mirror. If anything I could say that this cab was rare, but I thought man forget it yo homes to Bel-Air! I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8 and I yelled to the cabbie 'yo homes smell ya later'. Looked at my kingdom I was finally there to sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel-Air.

fixed

[Lordwafik]

All relics are a disappointment when you're expecting something that breaks the game. Lower your expectations, and you'll be more than satisfied.

Expectation: its worth the cost
and no, it is near worthlessness

if you want hard evidence I don't have it, but full acc/haste/hp w/e gear and I parsed equal to 1 summoner on jorm.

1 summoner throughout the fight? or just 1 BP? Because if your dmg is as consistent as a SMN, and you're a tank, then that's really great. SMN are a very high DD on the wyrms, and if you can do BP dmg with a sword, dunno what's bad about that ;p

[aers]

All relics are a disappointment when you're expecting something that breaks the game. Lower your expectations, and you'll be more than satisfied.

Expectation: its worth the cost
and no, it is near worthlessness

if you want hard evidence I don't have it, but full acc/haste/hp w/e gear and I parsed equal to 1 summoner on jorm.

1 summoner throughout the fight? or just 1 BP? Because if your dmg is as consistent as a SMN, and you're a tank, then that's really great. SMN are a very high DD on the wyrms, and if you can do BP dmg with a sword, dunno what's bad about that ;p

that damage doesn tpull hate, and ot do it he has tow ear full DD gear (ACC, haste, etc.), so it's rather hard to tank.

[Lordwafik]

oh right, i forgot about it being hate free. That's kinda silly, if they didnt want rdm to pull hate with the sword, they shoulda just made it PLD onry.