Excalibur Additional Effect

[Wizerd]

Thinking about this leaves me wondering... does anyone know if normal en-effects give hate? Such as en-spells, additional effects, additional damage, etc? It seems kind of off that this sword makes an exception to that rule, so it would be more realistic if all added damage and effects have no hate attached to them.

[Viq]

I remember Sylph being a breeding ground for douches.

fix

[divisortheory]

Expectation: its worth the cost
and no, it is near worthlessness

Define worth.

PS: Who cares if it doesn't pull hate. You can do sword/shield (non-Aegis) on Wyrms, especially after the most recent shield update that increased block rate even more than the already acceptable value it was at. Even if you couldn't, there's more to the game than just Wyrms.

Once again, define 'worth', and lower your expectations to something that doesn't break the game, and you've got a great weapon.

[Greyheim]

I remember Sylph not even showing up on the radar of douchebaggery in comparison to every other server.

Re-fixed for your viewing pleasure.

[Koyangi]

Thinking about this leaves me wondering... does anyone know if normal en-effects give hate? Such as en-spells, additional effects, additional damage, etc? It seems kind of off that this sword makes an exception to that rule, so it would be more realistic if all added damage and effects have no hate attached to them.

All added effects, en-spell dmg etc, is hate free

[Lordwafik]

Slyph is a server?.

Better'd

[kareface]

All added effects, en-spell dmg etc, is hate free

I'm not saying your wrong, but... I was playing around a lont time ago with a melee build for rdm. joy/kracken with enspells. On lower tier HNMs like roc, serket, behe, KA, ect.. I would pull hate off our pld (who had a defending ring, ect..) quite often. Most of my damage was from en-spells. This was a long time ago, so they may of changed something or it may of been a chain of flukes. After I got hate and started taking damage, of couse curing myself and converts would boot my hate total as well.

Just something to chew on.

[Sylvrdragon]

10 hits for 10 damage will create more hate than 1 hit for 100 damage, or 2 hits for 100 damage for that matter. I think any action against a mob has a base amount of hate it creates regardless of how effective it is. I'm pretty sure a RDM could chainspell and cast just about any spell on a mob and pull hate (Assuming they aren't wearing a shit-ton of -Enmity).

[kareface]

In that case I should see hate like that from using the club on other jobs. Needless to say, I do not. I think there is a better chance that something was changed inbetween now and when I last played rdm. But, that's just my opinion.

[budd]

What's a Sylph? Can you eat it?

Better'd

Even better'd?

[layoneil]

1 summoner throughout the fight? or just 1 BP? Because if your dmg is as consistent as a SMN, and you're a tank, then that's really great. SMN are a very high DD on the wyrms, and if you can do BP dmg with a sword, dunno what's bad about that ;p

we had 7 summoners who used nothing but Leviathan for that particular Jorm. Leviathan damage parsed to X, Bikkwin's damage parsed to slightly more than X/7.

and as stated the en-damage had no hate, so he wasn't a tank.

Define worth.

at the time, worth was about 18 months of our entire LS doing Dynamis.

PS: Who cares if it doesn't pull hate.

everybody in BG did. because when we debated about which relic to upgrade, the seemingly deciding factor was, we were going to make a tank that held hate through pure damage on HNMs, like how a NIN uses mostly damage to hold hate in XP.

Pull Hate - 1 alliance spot fills the roll of Tank + DD

Don't Pull Hate - Get your Excalibur we don't have enough Summoners today

Once again, define 'worth', and lower your expectations to something that doesn't break the game, and you've got a great weapon.

allowing a tank to do damage doesn't break the game, it saves 1 spot in the alliance for something else.

with everything i've said about Gjallahorn, i don't have any great expectations other than what i know for a fact, permanent Soul Voice Ballad. Soul Voice Ballad doesn't make the tanks Invincible but every time a BRD pops Soul Voice at a non-marathon Wyrm things tend to stabilize. at Vrtra, permanent Soul Voice Ballad saves at least one BLM spot in the adds alliance.

expecting other relic items to do something similar is not high expectations.

and no one specific person is blamed for choosing Excalibur, it was an LS decision. people blame SE for not making the weapons remotely worth the time required to get one.

and i can still fix all relic weapons to make them worthwhile in the eyes of most players. stick this on to all of them: "Occasionally attacks 2 to 3 times"

[NynJa]

1 summoner throughout the fight? or just 1 BP? Because if your dmg is as consistent as a SMN, and you're a tank, then that's really great. SMN are a very high DD on the wyrms, and if you can do BP dmg with a sword, dunno what's bad about that ;p

we had 7 summoners who used nothing but Leviathan for that particular Jorm. Leviathan damage parsed to X, Bikkwin's damage parsed to slightly more than X/7.

and as stated the en-damage had no hate, so he wasn't a tank.

So Excalibur parsed HIGHER than a smn, which is undisputedly the best DD on wyrms, and its shit ??

[layoneil]

So Excalibur parsed HIGHER than a smn, which is undisputedly the best DD on wyrms, and its shit ??

slightly more was somewhere like 1k, we didn't have 7 SMNs up there from beginning to end, one of them was on the way up after we pulled. one of them was 2 boxed. most of our SMNs don't have AF2, this was before Yinyang Robe, before you can do 5 + 5 merits, most of them didn't have even the 5 merits you could get, most of them don't have max -recast timer gear.

so yeah, 1k HIGHER damage than your joe average, 3rd job, leveled just for the LS SMNs is not worth permanent Soul Voice Ballad.

you can reverse RMT the currency and buy 3 Lv 75 SMN accounts. you can take 1/50th of the man hours and level a SMN to 75 on a mule.

[Lockecole]

1 summoner throughout the fight? or just 1 BP? Because if your dmg is as consistent as a SMN, and you're a tank, then that's really great. SMN are a very high DD on the wyrms, and if you can do BP dmg with a sword, dunno what's bad about that ;p

we had 7 summoners who used nothing but Leviathan for that particular Jorm. Leviathan damage parsed to X, Bikkwin's damage parsed to slightly more than X/7.

and as stated the en-damage had no hate, so he wasn't a tank.

So Excalibur parsed HIGHER than a smn, which is undisputedly the best DD on wyrms, and its shit ??

Last time I checked it didnt cost 700M to level SMN to 75.

[Russta]

1 summoner throughout the fight? or just 1 BP? Because if your dmg is as consistent as a SMN, and you're a tank, then that's really great. SMN are a very high DD on the wyrms, and if you can do BP dmg with a sword, dunno what's bad about that ;p

we had 7 summoners who used nothing but Leviathan for that particular Jorm. Leviathan damage parsed to X, Bikkwin's damage parsed to slightly more than X/7.

and as stated the en-damage had no hate, so he wasn't a tank.

So Excalibur parsed HIGHER than a smn, which is undisputedly the best DD on wyrms, and its shit ??

Last time I checked it didnt cost 700M to level SMN to 75.

It also didn't give a shit load of TP while demanding a full-time slot in the alliance just to do comparable damage.

[layoneil]

i don't remember if he had a BRD for Madrigals or not, but he definitely had to stay in AE range the whole time and soak up MP from the mages so that he had close to full HP for the En damage.

Bikkwin is Galka too, non-Galka HP wouldn't parse that high.

i don't remember it in detail but on Fafnir, he didn't come close to what the BLMs put out. the mob died too fast and the sword is best for DOT.

[tiberion02]

clerical note:

As stated this was before AF2, max -BP timer gear, merits,


and before Diabolos.

[epigram]

Bet he could farm Gobbue like a pro.

[Septimus]

If they could make it so that you could trade them between a set number of people (so if one person quits the time and effort is not nullified) and gave them "Occasionally attacks 2 to 3 times" relic weapons would suddenly approach being worth 700M gil.

[divisortheory]

If they could make it so that you could trade them between a set number of people (so if one person quits the time and effort is not nullified) and gave them "Occasionally attacks 2 to 3 times" relic weapons would suddenly approach being worth 700M gil.

In the sense that a Haubergeon +1 is 5 times the price of a Haubergeon, despite the stat boost being minimal as fuck, i'd say relic weapons are "worth" at least a billion.