Yigit vs Standard Gear (BLM epeen ftw!)

[TsingTao]

So I replied something along the lines of "I'll play the role of the asshole who hates rdm/smn" and promptly kicked him.

That made my morning. TY!

[Raineer]

Most skillful job?

I look at it as person, not job. The person who can solo well with their job and/or do good when shit hits the fan are the people with skill.

<3

[Onizuka]

"Refresh Train..?" Im happy if i even get that, i only got refresh from rdms lvl 67+ i had plenty of rdms just refresh themselves... ohh and some say im main healer i cant refresh.. im like the tank is a fucking nin first of all and how long does it take to cast? 7min!? If you cant play the job right don't bother...

Now lvl 70+ rdms i pted with cast refresh on me on point may not enfeb to much though. Now the rdm i pt'ed last night cast refresh on me with it still on then right before it's on me i see the msg, "Rockklee's Refresh efect wears off" Now thats fucking pimp, from a jap galka rdm last night, he enfeb'ed and MB'ed every time and cured every fight.. thats right he was main healer as well and the tank was a taru pld.. so ya don't tell me you cant main heal refresh and enfeb..

RDM is a job i never wanted to lvl but when lvling blm i actually wanted to lvl rdm just to do the fucking job right, lvl it to 75 and never touch it again, only solo with it if i felt like it but i like nin solo better anyway.

Ninja Edit: Ohh and 1 blm went afk and war d/c, we where killing IT++ with pld rdm brd blm(me) i nuked all them shits down, then rdm was afk, we killed brd pld blm IT++ with me curing and still nuking the shit dead!

Ohh and back to the rdm, i nuked hard he slept i nuked again he slept then i nuked it dead, i never seen a rdm do that when i got hate, damn that rdm was pimp..

[levish]

white mage and red mage are skill jobs >_> all about managing mp, everyone around you, sending tells to other people about people you hate, all while seamlessly and endlessly keeping mp and buffs up

when your favorite redmage or whitemage is at full mp, you have full buffs on, your debuffs flash on your screen for a second or two, and they're just standing there recieving tells about how you'd like to go on a cruise and dive in the ocean off the deck with no clothes on next to a hot guy... its the mark of a good whm (*'-')

make that shit look easy and people with think its easy (*'-') (even overcuring has a rationale at times, using cure V where cure III will suffice, has reasons you may or may not know )

While I mostly agree with you, I'd say RDM was less skill MORE endurance. A good RDM can endure 3-5 hours of Refresh/Haste/Debuff/Backup Cure and keep it consistant and a bad RDM... well, we all know how that goes.

A more skillful job IMO is probably NIN, PLD, WHM and BST

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Best rdm I pt'd with while I was on my thief.

Comes close to the rdm/smn I had in exp yesterday, who refused to do /whm since "it's not my job" , despite the fact I told him "You're not a summoner either", he still kept carby out waking slept mobs in the thickets. Last straw was when he said "Well this is a roleplaying game, and i'm playing the role of a person with avatars" , So I replied something along the lines of "I'll play the role of the asshole who hates rdm/smn" and promptly kicked him.

the bonus irony in that is the nin asking for haste and the whm dumping cures on him that wouldn't have been needed had there been efeebs

[Septimus]

"Refresh Train..?" Im happy if i even get that, i only got refresh from rdms lvl 67+ i had plenty of rdms just refresh themselves... ohh and some say im main healer i cant refresh.. im like the tank is a fucking nin first of all and how long does it take to cast? 7min!? If you cant play the job right don't bother...

And that is the funny thing about the Refresh train. People will keep a crappy RDM in the party because there are no BRDs or other RDMs around to replace him/her. The reasoning is "occasional refresh is better than none". No! No it is no! It just teaches gimps that they can get away with being gimp. Kick the RDM and get a second WHM, just have them alternate fights where one cures and the other rests, then vice versa, it will be a hundred times better than a leech.

And in the 60's it is hard for a RDM to be the only source of healing and MP regeneration. Hell, even at 75 having to main heal, refresh, and haste will demolish your MP if you do not have BRD for Ballad and increasing the damage to make the fights shorter.

Besides, back in my day, NIN tanks took more MP to support than PLDs because everyone else would steal hate by breathing heavily on mobs so you had to throw out cures for everyone. To this day I do not like NIN tanks because of my formitive years as a RDM.

[Cylo]

jap galka rdm

YOU WIN. You are awarded the title of "Worst attempt to impersonate a japanese-american FFXI player".



I have had 1 good RDM while partying on my BLM. BRDs are on average much better players on Asura. The RDMs my level just stink horribly.30 pages go!

[Septimus]

jap galka rdm

YOU WIN. You are awarded the title of "Worst attempt to impersonate a japanese-american FFXI player".



I have had 1 good RDM while partying on my BLM. BRDs are on average much better players on Asura. The RDMs my level just stink horribly.30 pages go!

Actually, I think that it is just easier to be a bad RDM than a bad Bard. As long as people are properly spaced out, you cast your highest Madrigal and Minuet on the melees and Ballads on the mages. If you Elegy and Finale the mob, you are revered as a god. I am not saying that Bard is easy, just that you have to actively try to be considered a bad Bard.

[layoneil]

some BRDs just sing 2 songs and that's it.

[Elcura]

A bad BRD is anything that even resembles Moggy (not including the Vrtra thing LOL)

[Septimus]

some BRDs just sing 2 songs and that's it.

But the thing is, that does not necessarily make the Bard bad.

[layoneil]

not if they have a Gjallarhorn.

[draxyl]

Septimus, many of the same arguments you listed above for a "good" rdm also apply to bard. A good bard not only casts the correct 2 songs per player and dispels/elegies the mob. A good bard also tries to fill out the support role as much as they can, assisting with heals, removing status effects, sleeping links, and on occasion being the main puller.

Much like a good rdm will not only cast refresh, but help heal, debuff properly, magic burst - it's the entire package of the player performing multiple tasks that benefit the party one way or another that makes people stand out.

[epigram]

Bard:

Grab a PLD (already loves you)
Grab a few mages (make sure you pick up an rdm so you don't have to dispel)
Grab some melee (maybe a drk)

Use a harp, stand in the middle and do 2x ballad, walk away and do w/e until it wears off.

Result: A few melee get pissed but it isn't exactly hard to get new ones. Sure your a shitty bard but it's not like your going to get kicked or anything.

[Onizuka]

jap galka rdm

YOU WIN. You are awarded the title of "Worst attempt to impersonate a japanese-american FFXI player".

Are you Fucking stupid.. you must be stupid...

Im NA so i said jap because of that fact, if i was jap i would say NA rdm on a jp forum, but im not Japanese and this is not a Japanese forum so again take your 3 crappy posts and GTFO, kthxbai

[Eternus]

Bard:

Grab a PLD (already loves you)
Grab a few mages (make sure you pick up an rdm so you don't have to dispel)
Grab some melee (maybe a drk)

Use a harp, stand in the middle and do 2x ballad, walk away and do w/e until it wears off.

Result: A few melee get pissed but it isn't exactly hard to get new ones. Sure your a shitty bard but it's not like your going to get kicked or anything.

Yeah but if you do that as a BRD your xp will suck ass... you will kill too slowly due to the DD melee getting no songs lol. I would kick a BRD that does that. I haven't seen any RDM who just casts refresh get kicked from a party. Hell the only jobs I see that get kicked are shitty DD or BLMs. Healers, tanks and support rarely get kicked.

[Khamsin]

A good bard won't let a chain end.

[Elcura]

It's stupid for a RDM and BRD PT for a RDM to primary dispel when a BRDs is faster and costs no MP, they both should do it whenever, if the BRDs casting a song then ask the RDM (who should be on the ball and ready to dispel anyway) or if recast isn't up.

Most times it's only nessecary for a RDM to dispel during recast...

[Onizuka]

"Refresh Train..?" Im happy if i even get that, i only got refresh from rdms lvl 67+ i had plenty of rdms just refresh themselves... ohh and some say im main healer i cant refresh.. im like the tank is a fucking nin first of all and how long does it take to cast? 7min!? If you cant play the job right don't bother...

And that is the funny thing about the Refresh train. People will keep a crappy RDM in the party because there are no BRDs or other RDMs around to replace him/her. The reasoning is "occasional refresh is better than none". No! No it is no! It just teaches gimps that they can get away with being gimp. Kick the RDM and get a second WHM, just have them alternate fights where one cures and the other rests, then vice versa, it will be a hundred times better than a leech.

And in the 60's it is hard for a RDM to be the only source of healing and MP regeneration. Hell, even at 75 having to main heal, refresh, and haste will demolish your MP if you do not have BRD for Ballad and increasing the damage to make the fights shorter.

Your right rdm can lvl to 75 naked if they wanted, hell i pted with one @lvl 54 or so and she wore lvl 21 beetle armor..

Your answer to the problem is get 2whm's well they can rotate healing im not gonna get another blm to rotate nuking :D

Plus it's not to easy to get 2whms anyway, if i get a shitty rdm next time i'll just warp my ass and do something else.

Their 2 jobs that tank 2 jobs that can refresh out of 18 thats just how it goes.

[layoneil]

Their 2 jobs that tank 2 jobs that can refresh out of 18 thats just how it goes.

4x /NIN makes tanks irrelevant.

3 jobs out of 18 can refresh now.

[Onizuka]

Their 2 jobs that tank 2 jobs that can refresh out of 18 thats just how it goes.

4x /NIN makes tanks irrelevant.

3 jobs out of 18 can refresh now.

Cor is alright and all but i already have 1/tick refresh adding another 1 is nice but doesn't get the job done, healers roll is nice aswell but i don't maccro too much+hmp gear so i don't see why it should be so amazing now..

Finding x4 /nin sure is alot easier than getting one nin.. x4/nin is fine and so is 5blm 1 brd but that doesn't happen to often does it =)