SHADOW MANTLE STOLEN! Shadow Ring found!

[tylerz]

i personally like wear enmity gear as nin, i own a shadow ring since like 5 months or so, i know how often it proc and can save your ass, so for big fight a shadow mantle would help a lot for sure for ninja.

For big fight, hate is what is really important, less dmg you take, less cure u require, less hate mage get. Now if only we could put some haste in mantle slot true shadow mantle would not be as good :D

On my ls we use both pld and nin and pld have priority over nin on mantle since they take so many hit, but main tank have priority on everyone for shadow item, mantle usefull for nin fo sho, you can't blink all attack, and in dynamis with all the lag, if u eat an EES for 0 dmg, it worth for sure give mantle to ninja.

when u main tank in dyna and see that, it's priceless :

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6494/image11rb.jpg

If main tank don't die, ppl still alive have target to fight and can go ahead :wink:

[Khalil]

NINs wearing shadow mantle over Gigant or Boxers need to be shot, you have shadows that eat up attacks for 0 damage, putting on a mantle that activates about 10-15% of the time would be worthless. I've never tanked Tiamat on NIN but Utsu recasts dont even seem that bad when you have 1-2 other tanks to depend on getting hate, plus Tiamat only stays on the ground for about 3 minutes...even when Double Attack eats up your shadows, someone else should have hate if you get hit a couple times....if they dont, your LS shouldnt be killing Tiamat.



derail time

Xolotl #26 - Updated 5/25/06
2/26 Perseus Harpe 0/26 Bandomusha Kotes

this is the most depressing thing i've ever seen

To be honest, I could see the usefulness of equipping a Shadow Mantle when that bitch Tiamat goes into her PMS frenzy. During that 20% frenzy, HP+ does help a bit but not when you have dmg-40% and she still hits you for over 500 a crit, followed by a triple attack. But, you should always have a partner for Tiamat, seeing as how she is the strongest, in brute strenght, of the 3 Wyrms.

Also, on our shadows, there's a magical thing called "timers". When that bitch (Tiamat, who else?) goes crazy, and you have basically no shadows, which I think happens not a lot, standing there, looking pretty isn't gonna convince her to look at the ugly Galka beside you.

You need your combination of Enmity+, HP+ and dmg-% with almost every Wyrm or HNM, you can't DD tank.

[Zigma]

NINs wearing shadow mantle over Gigant or Boxers need to be shot, you have shadows that eat up attacks for 0 damage, putting on a mantle that activates about 10-15% of the time would be worthless. I've never tanked Tiamat on NIN but Utsu recasts dont even seem that bad when you have 1-2 other tanks to depend on getting hate, plus Tiamat only stays on the ground for about 3 minutes...even when Double Attack eats up your shadows, someone else should have hate if you get hit a couple times....if they dont, your LS shouldnt be killing Tiamat.



derail time

Xolotl #26 - Updated 5/25/06
2/26 Perseus Harpe 0/26 Bandomusha Kotes

this is the most depressing thing i've ever seen

To be honest, I could see the usefulness of equipping a Shadow Mantle when that bitch Tiamat goes into her PMS frenzy. During that 20% frenzy, HP+ does help a bit but not when you have dmg-40% and she still hits you for over 500 a crit, followed by a triple attack. But, you should always have a partner for Tiamat, seeing as how she is the strongest, in brute strenght, of the 3 Wyrms.

Also, on our shadows, there's a magical thing called "timers". When that bitch (Tiamat, who else?) goes crazy, and you have basically no shadows, which I think happens not a lot, standing there, looking pretty isn't gonna convince her to look at the ugly Galka beside you.

You need your combination of Enmity+, HP+ and dmg-% with almost every Wyrm or HNM, you can't DD tank.

cereal

[Isildur]

Tiamat cant triple attack, the only use i see of a NIN using Shadow over Gigant/Boxers is if you quickly macro that shit in when he puts up Mighty Strikes and pray to god it activates on him double attacking..but you'd probably have a higher chance of evading/parrying which is why i see +10 skill > 10% chance of 0 damage in the occasion that your shadows arent up

[epigram]

But I doubt +10 to parry and eva (3-4% increase in total parry and eva skill) will increase the probability of you evading or parrying by 10%. Of course you could always put the shadow mantle on your Utsu cast macros since at that time you are most likely to be getting hit, then have the same macro change back to boxer's.

[Khalil]

Sorry, when I mean triple attack is that she attacks quite fast that it seems as if she's triple attacking.

[Stellar]

When Elegy wears and she double attacks, it's just non stop attacking, which looks exactly like a triple attack.

There's tons of places you can put enmity.. almost every available slot. Luckily for us, the majority of our -phys dmg gears have enmity as well. I just think this holier than though attitude of "my ninja never gets hit, why do i need a shadow mantle" is pretty funny.. I don't even own a shadow mantle, if our nation controls attowha then i'll wear gigant or cerberus +1, if not then i'll wear resentment. If I had one, I would use resentment while in flight and shadow mantle on the ground.. Defending ring would never come off .-.

And i've yet to see a pld take damage as low as my ninja and I don't even own a defending ring. I think its circumstantial, but for readily available gears, a ninja will take less dmg per hit then a pld.

[Krandor]

I think Cerb Mantle+1 would be alot better than resentment while Tiamat is airborne.

[Demetrios]

Roughly 300ish Shield Skill and a Koenig Shield factors into about 42% damage reduction not including in VIT, Defense, or other forms of damage reduction, which would take it down more than that. That's more than most NINs would take with Shadows down (when I say most I mean NINs without Defending Ring).

42% dmg reduction using shield vs what mob? Level 95 HNMs? I find it hard to believe. I see shield PLDs get smacked in the face by Tiamat and Ouryu for 250-300 damage when block doesn't proc (non crit), which seems to be more often than not.

[Stellar]

If he flies for 3 minutes attacking once per 3 seconds, resentment cape would nullify around 900 damage... You would take 2 enmity over that?

[Krandor]

If he flies for 3 minutes attacking once per 3 seconds, resentment cape would nullify around 900 damage... You would take 2 enmity over that?

Fire Resist+12

@ Deme, I'm just honestly going off the numbers shit out at me on KI pertaining to shield blocking. I don't tank anything higher than Fafnir with PLD/WAR usually. Wyrms, Cerberus, Proto Fights, etc. I'm always PLD/NIN or NIN/WAR.

My understanding was that the recent patch made it so that shield proc rate doesn't depend on mob level anymore and is static no matter what level the mob is in relation to you.

[Stellar]

and what is fire resist +12 going to do? Sure as hell not -5% overall in flight damage...

[Krandor]

Ganked from Rukenshin's Livejournal

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2321/firedamage3lt.jpg

That's with 168 Fire Resist in gear, + Carol and Barfire.

Fire Resist Gear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Magic Damage - (except for likely defending Ring) for things like Wyrms or Bahamut's Flare moves

[Nagamaki]

Stack enough fire resist and air shots do pretty much nothing.

[Isildur]

if you stack +fire resist gear and use Resentment Cape, i think the -5% would result in alot less damage reduction than without a +resist build, which is why a +12 mantle might be more effective.

dont quote me on this, im just speculating

[Garret]

Its ok Valefor had a SMN main lot and win it, I think he is leveling PLD though. Anyways the moral of the story is to only do LS Dynmais. I mean its not like its hard.

Honestly why does this always come up as though it's some crime? The LS he won the mantle with does open Dynamis, their run, their rules, mantle & ring are free lot. He lotted it, why should he have felt obligated to pass to people he has absolutely no ties to?

[Stellar]

I knew that was going to be the response. I witnissed this being attempted by a ninja on our server who could never get tiamat to attack her and when it did, usually the breath attacks did full damage. Not sure what Rukenshin did differently and i've never tried it myself.

But fire resistance kinda goes along with the idea of taking less dmg (ie. wearing shadow mantle) So doesn't that conflict with the argument of not using gear that lowers damage, to instead wear enmity?

[Krandor]

But fire resistance kinda goes along with the idea of taking less dmg (ie. wearing shadow mantle) So doesn't that conflict with the argument of not using gear that lowers damage, to instead wear enmity?

Difference is you can't blink out hits in the air... I figured that would be obvious.

[Garret]

200+ fire resist makes Tiamat in the air an absolute kitty cat. Why wouldn't you go with massive resist setup in air to take immensely less damage then go with more enmity gear on the ground when shadows are going to help?

It's not always a question of enmity vs. less damage taken gear. Sometimes significantly reducing your damage taken means you don't need +enmity gear because you aren't losing as much hate.

[Priran]

Its ok Valefor had a SMN main lot and win it, I think he is leveling PLD though. Anyways the moral of the story is to only do LS Dynmais. I mean its not like its hard.

Honestly why does this always come up as though it's some crime?

because it's fucking hilarious that one of the best tank mantles in the game is rotting in some retard's MH Storage instead of being made use of by a tank (without whom there would be no mantle) because he had to be a loot whore