SHADOW MANTLE STOLEN! Shadow Ring found!

[Krandor]

Well there were my -1 Hands from Bubu that were lost because of partial wipe/out of time. I was /emo for the rest of that night.

I would flip the fuck out if that happened ><

[Tymon]

what, valor gauntlets -1?

pain.

[BRP]

what, valor gauntlets -1?

pain.

I'm a BLM and I could feel that.

[Nagamaki]

We lost a Melee Cape to zone timeout in Qufim the other day, that sucked pretty hard. Its not much good for hth-ing but by far the best Chi backpiece and the VIT and hHP are good for solo/Chakra, with VIT being mod on Final Heaven.

[Heian]

what, valor gauntlets -1?

pain.

Yeah.

[zek]

with VIT being mod on Final Heaven.

LOL.......

[Shuemue]

with VIT being mod on Final Heaven.

LOL.......

Why lol? Look at his sig, he obviously has at least dynamis knuckles.

[Isildur]

with VIT being mod on Final Heaven.

LOL.......

Why lol? Look at his sig, he obviously has at least dynamis knuckles.

i think it was in response to the stat mods on Final Heaven, i never thought it'd be VIT either

and Dynamis Knuckles = Stage 3....all weapons (dunno about Katana / GTK) are labeled "Dynamis" on stage 3 =P

[Nagamaki]

I have Caestus, stage 4. The "Dynamis" stage is stage 3, doesn't provide the WS yet.

And VIT is a mod on Asuran Fists and Dragon Kick too, so its not really particularly unexpected. Don't quite get what's "LOL...."-worthy here.

[bulk]

because ppl who wear genbus over shura head or even Ohat(asuran) for DK and asuran are fucking retarded for thinking that it helps more.

[zek]

I have Caestus, stage 4. The "Dynamis" stage is stage 3, doesn't provide the WS yet.

And VIT is a mod on Asuran Fists and Dragon Kick too, so its not really particularly unexpected. Don't quite get what's "LOL...."-worthy here.

What's LOL worth is this:

you have a stage 4 relic and probably go by the piece of shit WS mod table that every fucking moron goes by.

[Nagamaki]

Enjoy being retards then, I'm quite happy with actually testing different gear to find out what produces the best results.

[Shuemue]

Enjoy being retards then, I'm quite happy with actually testing different gear to find out what produces the best results.

Oh but surely they both have Spharai and thus know first hand how Final Heaven procs every time no?

[bulk]

so your saying you would rather wear a vit cape over foragers and genbu over voyager/shura and Vit rings over Str rings because of this so called modifier?

[Krandor]

so your saying you would rather wear a vit cape over foragers and genbu over voyager/shura and Vit rings over Str rings because of this so called modifier?

Is he saying that? No.

Same reason you see WARs wearing Genbu's Kabuto for Steel Cyclone is what he's implying, since VIT+15 would do alot more for a WS with as heavy a mod as Dragon Kick or Final Heaven have compared to a piddly STR+5 on a Shura Kabuto.

[Heian]

so your saying you would rather wear a vit cape over foragers and genbu over voyager/shura and Vit rings over Str rings because of this so called modifier?

If it parsers higher, yes, people will.

[Lockecole]

so your saying you would rather wear a vit cape over foragers and genbu over voyager/shura and Vit rings over Str rings because of this so called modifier?

If it parsers higher, yes, people will.

WS Mods arent everything. In a perfect world, yes of course they are, on level 0 Rabbits they work wonders. But in reality, things like STR/Attack/Dex will out parser most of the secondary WS characteristic mods, just because they affect overall damage in addition to being a WS mod most of the time(like STR and VIT on Steel Cyclone.) So no...they won't parse higher, especially on a WS like Asuran Fists with shitty stat mods.

[Nagamaki]

I would experiment with the cape to see how it compares, possibly with rings for FH since VIT affects it more than it affects DK from what I've tested so far.

As for Genbu's, there's no question at all, and you already stated you think only fucking retards use 15 VIT over 5 STR on Dragon Kick, which makes it pretty clear you enjoy talking out of your ass and don't actual test out gear.

[Heian]

so your saying you would rather wear a vit cape over foragers and genbu over voyager/shura and Vit rings over Str rings because of this so called modifier?

If it parsers higher, yes, people will.

WS Mods arent everything. In a perfect world, yes of course they are, on level 0 Rabbits they work wonders. But in reality, things like STR/Attack/Dex will out parser most of the secondary WS characteristic mods, just because they affect overall damage in addition to being a WS mod most of the time(like STR and VIT on Steel Cyclone.) So no...they won't parse higher, especially on a WS like Asuran Fists with shitty stat mods.

Oh I am well aware of that, I've parsed several different setups on NIN. I am simply saying if it parsers higher people will use it, and when I said that I ment on VT/IT/HNM. Sorry if that was not clear. Anyone who bases everything off LV1~10 mobs is retarted anyways, its good to figure out different modifiers, but the testing the overall effects is best suited for VT/IT/HNM.

[Nagamaki]

An extra note since people enjoy putting words in other people's mouths, I never said "omg best WS cape", or "all VIT for all MNK WSs". I said VIT was a mod on DK, AF and FH, and that the cape have a variety of useful stats on it, including VIT. Regardless of the usefulness of the VIT as mod, it remains good for Chakra, the hHP remains good for resting solo and the 5 MND remains 3 more than any other backpiece for MNK can give.

In situations where your att isn't capped, mods don't matter that much and for any such situation Forager's/Amemet is clearly better, however there's ways to max out attack (for example, Boosts) and when you can max out the other parts of the equation, mods tend to make a difference. Most pieces of gear aren't universally the best for that slot in all situations.