Kraken/Ridill vs. Kraken

[chilicheese]

your adumbass if you use either on an HNM

*You're

Who's the dumbass now, bitch?

[Raivyn]

your adumbass if you use either on an HNM

*You're

Who's the dumbass now, bitch?

Owned.

Seriously, who is this guy? Gtfo.

[Tanthalas]

I think it's also been overlooked in this discussion that Dual Wield in general slows down the attack rate of your primary weapon. Especially with /NIN sub with only DW2. That's one of the primary reasons why Kraken single handed without a subweapon (Regardless of whether it's Ridill) for Souleater seems to be the best for HNM situations.

[Lyramion]

TP is gained with single decimal digits stored, so while adding a Dual Wield trait slows down your TP, it slows it down proportionally to how much more speed you get. You only end up losing a TP on one or two of the hits, maybe 3 if you hit 8 times and get the right TP values counting, but you don't lose a TP on all 8 hits

Errr... I dont get your logic... all 8 hits will be counted as if they have lower delay

[grunion]

sorry for the dumb question but why is DRK using kraken more damage than any other job using kraken? if you have a drk in there using it, wouldn't that be the same dmg output as any other job using it? why the emphasis on drk?

[Raivyn]

I think it's also been overlooked in this discussion that Dual Wield in general slows down the attack rate of your primary weapon. Especially with /NIN sub with only DW2. That's one of the primary reasons why Kraken single handed without a subweapon (Regardless of whether it's Ridill) for Souleater seems to be the best for HNM situations.

An interesting question would be if drk/drg was a viable combo with what you just said being considered. Little more acc for the club and a couple of jumps. As I understand it most drks who do this end up dying anyways unless the mob dies first - and whms are usually spam curing the drk during his thing unless he's using BW.

edit: I think this thread belongs here though http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/viewto ... &start=210

[Raivyn]

sorry for the dumb question but why is DRK using kraken more damage than any other job using kraken? if you have a drk in there using it, wouldn't that be the same dmg output as any other job using it? why the emphasis on drk?

Souleater tacks on damage proportional to current hp, so with a weapon attacking that fast you can throw up a lot of damage, hitting around 150 per swing pending the mob.

[divisortheory]

sorry for the dumb question but why is DRK using kraken more damage than any other job using kraken? if you have a drk in there using it, wouldn't that be the same dmg output as any other job using it? why the emphasis on drk?

DRK can use souleater so that he does more damage at the expense of losing his own HP, and Blood Weapon so he can cure the lost HP back.

[threevo]

yes KC/Shield 2x march 2x madrigal = dead "Insert mob here" with souleater+BW.

There was a thread with real facts about main ridill/off KC and main KC/tatami or w/e. Trying to find it now.

[Shuemue]

your adumbass if you use either on an HNM

Tell that to the dead wyrm over there.

/point

[Khamsin]

sorry for the dumb question but why is DRK using kraken more damage than any other job using kraken? if you have a drk in there using it, wouldn't that be the same dmg output as any other job using it? why the emphasis on drk?

DRK can use souleater so that he does more damage at the expense of losing his own HP, and Blood Weapon so he can cure the lost HP back.

And has gear to enhance Souleater to add more damage per hit, than a /DRK can get.

[Wizerd]

TP is gained with single decimal digits stored, so while adding a Dual Wield trait slows down your TP, it slows it down proportionally to how much more speed you get. You only end up losing a TP on one or two of the hits, maybe 3 if you hit 8 times and get the right TP values counting, but you don't lose a TP on all 8 hits

Errr... I dont get your logic... all 8 hits will be counted as if they have lower delay

Example, let's say dual wielding decreases your TP gain by 0.2 TP per hit.

Again, for example's sake, let's say without dual wielding, you get 5.0 TP per hit.

8 hits = 40 TP. Add dual wield, and your first hit will give you 4, then 9, then 14, then 19, then 24, then 28, then 33, then 38(.4). Over the course of 10 hits, you'd lose only 2 TP, not 8 TP like you might think since the first hit only gave 4.

[killerc4]

if you're trying to get the max amount of dmg out of your 30 seconds then kraken solo wins hands down. Rarely if i plan on living (doesn't happen often) I use riddil/krak so i can put that tp to use at the end and slow the kraken down for a pretty decent compromise between dmg and surviving. in other words chances are a tank can maybe get the hate off you if you use the combo lol.

My fellow ls drk likes to plain souleater kraken wyrms and pray for horrid roar =D. But yeh theres no questioning it that kraken only does the most dmg also accuracy doesn't really matter at all if you are drk/nin you're going to be using sushi and sushi + souleater acc boosts you dont miss anything much.

[Shuemue]

It's always fun laughing at LS DRKs at Tiamat. It's like, "I'm going in next land, cure me!" Ten seconds later they've been eaten by a grouchy wyrm :D

[BRP]

your adumbass if you use either on an HNM

Who is Adum Bass?

[grunion]

Souleater tacks on damage proportional to current hp, so with a weapon attacking that fast you can throw up a lot of damage, hitting around 150 per swing pending the mob.

hmm thanks. i've seen drk using it but it was at hnm when i was busy doing my job and dmg was filtered at the time. 150 per swing (assuming you mean 1-8 swings per attack, not vice versa) would be crazy...

[Exoduso]

On JoL I use Ridill/Kraken for the simple fact that it's pretty hard to hit it, so every swing counts (even with capped club skill it's pretty annoying, with adaman and everything attached)... and I do it even when Blood weapon isn't up, it's not hard to ask a couple of people to send cures your way while you're using souleater.

On mobs like DL and KV however, Kraken by itself would be much better than the Ridill/Kraken combo because you're fighting against the clock, and Kraken will do more dot than the Ridill/kraken, especially if you waste your time using a WS at any point because its like stunning yourself.

[Weltall]

lol Jizzle gtfo. Whichever linkshell he is from, boot him plz.

We have 5 Drk/Nin in my LS (not all main job), but all have at least Kraken ,and 3 of them have Ridill. From all our of DynamisLord/Tiamat/Jorm it has always seemed that Kraken solo is better damage output, but I don't have any stats to provide.

[Wizerd]

lol Jizzle gtfo. Whichever linkshell he is from, boot him plz.

We have 5 Drk/Nin in my LS (not all main job), but all have at least Kraken ,and 3 of them have Ridill. From all our of DynamisLord/Tiamat/Jorm it has always seemed that Kraken solo is better damage output, but I don't have any stats to provide.

Calling BS unless you show me pics of you beating DL with 12. (No but seriously, kill DL with 12 plz, with 5 DRK + kraken it's definately doable)

[TheLegendaryCravy]

your adumbass if you use either on an HNM

With souleater and blood weapon kraken club can out damage ANY melee. vs zerged mobs like KV and DL it doesnt matter how much TP you give them. Kraken Club with haste is better in main and no other weapon. Using Ridill + Kraken after dual wield nerf is like having 450 delay weapon compared to 264 delay weapon.