Need advice Ethereal Earring or Magnetic Earring ?

[aurik]

I've not observed a 50% max cap on Conserve MP. I've casted Cure 1 from anywhere from 3mp to 7mp. I've also seen my Warp reduced to 31mp, and Cure IV down to 33mp with Magnetic alone.

And I didn't save much Conserve MP too much leveling RDM. WHM is by far a superior subjob for RDM in good parties.

Thats because good parties are rdm+brd+4 melee, and someone's gotta do the healing

[Jeryhn]

I've not observed a 50% max cap on Conserve MP. I've casted Cure 1 from anywhere from 3mp to 7mp. I've also seen my Warp reduced to 31mp, and Cure IV down to 33mp with Magnetic alone.

And I didn't save much Conserve MP too much leveling RDM. WHM is by far a superior subjob for RDM in good parties.

Thats because good parties are rdm+brd+4 melee, and someone's gotta do the healing

Exactly.

So when I cast a Cure 4 for half the MP, I praise Yi... err, Gawd.

[layoneil]

Amazing how widespread Rajas Ring usage is, no melee has ever said OMG LOOK AT MY TP GAIN NOW, yet every mage with conserve MP + 5 says exactly that.

you will never get that reaction out of Store TP equipment because of the existence of Kraken Club, Ridill, Soboro Sukehiro. Store TP simply can't compete with that.

heard the SAM Roll for COR is decent with a SAM in it though.

[aurik]

Amazing how widespread Rajas Ring usage is, no melee has ever said OMG LOOK AT MY TP GAIN NOW, yet every mage with conserve MP + 5 says exactly that.

you will never get that reaction out of Store TP equipment because of the existence of Kraken Club, Ridill, Soboro Sukehiro. Store TP simply can't compete with that.

heard the SAM Roll for COR is decent with a SAM in it though.

I also heard SAM roll with SAM is like +30, that might explain it...

[genome]

[quote=aurik]

Think about the people that picked Tamas instead of Rajas... They can never change back. And the only reason to ever wear tamas is for an extra -1 emnity over serene ring. For everything else you can always macro swap another ring and get the same effect or better (since you never really need int and mnd on the same spell and only need max mp on your first spell after resting). Rajas instead is so unique because you use all 4 stats on every punch and ws so you could never replace it with just macro swaps.

I picked Tamas because inventory space is the scarcest resource in FFXI, especially with 5 jobs now leveled, and because all 3 of my mage jobs can wear Tamas. Would I change to Raja's if I could? No, because my woodsmans are better.

This is the correct answer, and I fixed that last part for you. Sadly, the most use I get out of my Rajas is when I go rajas+jelly for farming/soloing.

It's kinda off topic, and people are entitled to their own opinions i suppose, but 2.5 accuracy is not really worth the loss of
5 evasion
5 subtle blow
5 store tp
5 dex
5 str
Saying woodsman is better means you think you rather have that 2.5 acc and sacrifice all those other stats for it.
Also while space is a scarce resource in FFXI, the items that you are replacing with tamas are all items you can mule when you don't use them.

evasion = crap compared to acc in merit situation
subtle blow = crap compared to acc in merit situation
store TP = crap compared to acc in merit situation
5 dex = crap compared to acc in merit situation
5 str is the only decent thing on that ring for meriting. ya it's slightly better than a flame ring because it comes with a few side bonuses, but there is no way you should be using flame rings to TP, and eva+sb+stp+dex means jack shit when you're only wearing it for 5% of the time.

And Maxx, don't put words in my mouth.
The reason I prefer PCC has nothing to do with superiority (or lack thereof) over Faith. PCC has about the same effect as Faith for merit purposes. I happen to like it because I can fucking buy it off the AH, rather than waste 200-300 man-hours between me and my friends for a single limited-use EX drop.

I guess it depends on what you merit on and whether meriting is all you do in-game. For a good 90% of the things i do, all those stats are great, and 2-3 acc is not even noticeable.
My merits and xp have been completely capped for a while now, until they add more categories and new caps, and even when i go xp now I prefer to solo/duo VT imps for xp (10-12k an hour but more fun/relaxed).
For that, limbus, assaults, soloing NMs, etc, I tank, and all those stats are very important and extremely noticeable (the store tp alone often lets me do asuran a turn earlier, subtle blow often saves me from a mob's tp move at the end, and evasion always helps while tanking)
Endgame those stats are even more important.

OK, but this guy is mage x3 with a Tamas, and you're telling him Rajas is better? Fuck off. About the only thing he'll be doing on his melee is merit and fuck around, no reason to waste a CoP ring choice on.[/quote:d6c54]
Temper....
If you read again the series of quotes, you will see that I was making a general point about in-game choices you can never undo. The point about the tamas ring being completely replaceable by macro swaps of normal rings still stands. You can't even get close to replacing rajas with macro swapping other rings because all the multiple stats are useful at the same time, while on tamas they are not. If space and gil are important to one person as mage and they don't plan to use melee or ninja in the future, that's fine. But there are many people that regretted not getting suppanomimi because they later changed their mind and became nin or war main. Both suppanomimi, rajas, and even ethereal are that kind of choice, where you really want to think hard about what you are giving up and what you are gaining, and whether you couldn't just replace one choice with normal items (e.g., if you are getting bushinomimi just for the STR+2, consider you might later get enough gil to afford a triumph earring instead, while no item can replace suppanomimi).

[ps2user]

I've not observed a 50% max cap on Conserve MP. I've casted Cure 1 from anywhere from 3mp to 7mp. I've also seen my Warp reduced to 31mp, and Cure IV down to 33mp with Magnetic alone.

And I didn't save much Conserve MP too much leveling RDM. WHM is by far a superior subjob for RDM in good parties.

Thats because good parties are rdm+brd+4 melee, and someone's gotta do the healing

good pt= meleeX3 rdm brdX2

conserve mp on Magnetic Earring is hardly noticeable.

most people get Magnetic Earring is because its a good free +mp+Hmp earring.
but now we have a MP+15 HNM+1 assault earring, some people regret getting Magnetic Earring already.

i suggest getting ethereal earring.

[Jeryhn]

BRDx2? For what?

[Julian]

I picked tamas because.. if I ever level melee (like I am leveling MNK now, currently 31) I'm going to be using acc rings because I wont be meriting weapon skill levels. Unlike most melees, I wont have 8 H2H merits, so I'll be just fine using my acc rings. Yes, Rajas would be a nice ring to use, and might even be slightly better, but that doesn't outweight everything that I gain and will gain in the future from Tamas.

[Raineer]

BRDx2? For what?

+attack +haste

[Jeryhn]

BRDx2? For what?

+attack +haste

March on three melee won't meet the damage capability of a capable fourth melee with double Minuet.

Maybe if it was BRD, COR, RDM, 3 melee. Then you'd be getting somewhere.

[ps2user]

BRDx2? For what?

+attack +haste

March on three melee won't meet the damage capability of a capable fourth melee with double Minuet.

Maybe if it was BRD, COR, RDM, 3 melee. Then you'd be getting somewhere.

becasue you dont need that much dmg in merit pt.
meleeX3 rdm brdX2 is the best setup for ticket pt.

[Raineer]

BRDx2? For what?

+attack +haste

March on three melee won't meet the damage capability of a capable fourth melee with double Minuet.

Maybe if it was BRD, COR, RDM, 3 melee. Then you'd be getting somewhere.

becasue you dont need that much dmg in merit pt.
meleeX3 rdm brdX2 is the best setup for ticket pt.

If we can get chain 80 in uleg range with only 3 melees (NIN/WAR/WAR/BRD/RDM/WHM), then you don't nearly need 4 melees in the joke zones that comprise ToAU

[Jeryhn]

BRDx2? For what?

+attack +haste

March on three melee won't meet the damage capability of a capable fourth melee with double Minuet.

Maybe if it was BRD, COR, RDM, 3 melee. Then you'd be getting somewhere.

becasue you dont need that much dmg in merit pt.
meleeX3 rdm brdX2 is the best setup for ticket pt.

You don't need that much Haste either. Seeing how more swings for damage outweighs slightly faster swings by less people, the only real benefit to a two-bard party would be an extra puller and lullaby.

Put a COR in instead with Fighter's Roll (as there will inevitably be a WAR in this party) and Rogue's Roll (Thief optional). COR can melee/shoot between rolls, not to mention Random Deal and Quick Draw for fast pulling. Be better than anything a two-bard party could do.

[Raineer]

sounds like they both work, zomg

[nivlakian]

sounds like they both work, zomg

Impossible. You know on these boards there is only one way that works for anything.

[Jeryhn]

sounds like they both work, zomg

Impossible. You know on these boards there is only one way that works for anything.

And how many invites do you accept on MNK that involve parties with PLD or SMN?

[nivlakian]

sounds like they both work, zomg

Impossible. You know on these boards there is only one way that works for anything.

And how many invites do you accept on MNK that involve parties with PLD or SMN?

Good question. Atm, I can only recall one such party that asked me to join and it had both of those jobs in it /shocked. It was PLD RDM SMN SAM MNK BLM in Lufaise Meadows.

So, I'd say there's not enough samples to tell, but I've joined 100% of them so far!

[aurik]

If you read again the series of quotes, you will see that I was making a general point about in-game choices you can never undo. The point about the tamas ring being completely replaceable by macro swaps of normal rings still stands. You can't even get close to replacing rajas with macro swapping other rings because all the multiple stats are useful at the same time, while on tamas they are not. If space and gil are important to one person as mage and they don't plan to use melee or ninja in the future, that's fine. But there are many people that regretted not getting suppanomimi because they later changed their mind and became nin or war main. Both suppanomimi, rajas, and even ethereal are that kind of choice, where you really want to think hard about what you are giving up and what you are gaining, and whether you couldn't just replace one choice with normal items (e.g., if you are getting bushinomimi just for the STR+2, consider you might later get enough gil to afford a triumph earring instead, while no item can replace suppanomimi).

You can't replace Tamas completely with macro swaps. Show me where the -3 enm +5 mnd ring is. Show me where the -3 enm +5 int ring is.

[Kaylia]

Not sure about other job/race, but 5acc give me ~0.5acc total. 5str result in more dmg than I would do with that acc.

Maybe for you, but I find 5 acc is only that weak if you're close to capping accuracy, ie 93%+. Back when I was parsing KRT and sky, I found that hedgehog pies vs bison steaks add 2-3% acc rate in my setup; that's the effect of 5 acc in the upper 80s, and it's even more apparent in the new areas where the acc bar is much higher. For example, in a recent parse I was 6% acc above another meat monk, and the main difference between us was I wore about 10~ more acc (PCC instead of faith torque, sniper ring hq instead of rajas)

Anyway, over 100 strikes, thats pDif_avg*125~ extra melee damage, slightly faster TP gain, slightly more reliable WS results. Rajas over 100 strikes gives pDif_avg*100~ extra melee dmg from str, slightly faster TP gain (I'd argue that hitting 1 more time out of 20 is more important than getting 5% more TP on those hits though), slightly higher dmg WS results.

So Rajas on the power scale perhaps fits between 5acc and 7acc rings. Certainly not a reason to give up Tamas ring for your 3 jobs that can use it full-time, especially since you're most likely HNMing with those mage jobs.

Yeah. It's not too far from the result I got. At 90%, 5 acc give me ~1%. At 95, it give me ~0.25%. When there is a brd around, acc is rarely a problem on warrior.

[Raineer]

sounds like they both work, zomg

Impossible. You know on these boards there is only one way that works for anything.

And how many invites do you accept on MNK that involve parties with PLD or SMN?

Good question. Atm, I can only recall one such party that asked me to join and it had both of those jobs in it /shocked. It was PLD RDM SMN SAM MNK BLM in Lufaise Meadows.

So, I'd say there's not enough samples to tell, but I've joined 100% of them so far!

lufaise is kinda like the dunes of endgame (or is that bibiki?) toss together 6 people and no matter how great you are...you can only do so well

I know THF-burn works wonders there, but aside from that how good can your parties really be?